Krokodil

ajedigecko

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3994912


Whats next?

Last-12-Exit

I've heard about this and seen tv reports. its a nasty drug. what I don't get is why someone would have thought to put gasoline in codeine. what people will do for a high. in the words of Denis Leary, "what happened to smokin a joint, eatin a couple twinkies, and going to sleep?"

brianlux

"Gee. I think I'll mix some pain killer, alcohol and gasoline and inject it into my veins." WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT? :shock:

Drowned Out

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/vice-news/sib ... ars-part-1

brianlux

Drowned Out wrote:

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/vice-news/siberia-krokodil-tears-part-1

Having lived in a neighborhood once where people you run into who invite you into their home might just as easily shoot up as put on water for tea, this was hard to watch. And where I lived was nothing like this. These kids live in some kind of hell that is hard to fathom. A very sad, very depressing story. We are so lucky, we who do not live in places like that.

ajedigecko

I will share these links with my students.

Only because they are likely to try something like this...without ever looking into the destructioon it will cause.

All they will hear is how good of a high it is and how cheap it is.

chadwick

two videos i just tried bringing up are now listed as graphic & blocked out with a 'content warning' making the would-be viewer sign in to their youtube account. well i'm not a member so i'm not logging in to any account.

if you are holding a youtube account, watch, 'krokodil - russia's deadliest drug' from the good folks at vice documentaries

http://youtu.be/treP9-sCQCk
here in this clip a knowledgeable man talking about krokodil. krokodil is made with: codeine, gasoline & vinegar & acidic bullshit & whatever you can find, even matches. although i guess codeine is a opiate, heroin sure as shit is much safer than this crazy ass zombie bullshit

a video (now blocked) i watched a year or so ago had these asshole making krokodil with eye drops as part of the ingredient

chadwick

the war on drugs is exactly why krokodil exists. imagine if a person could get high quality heroin, they'd be set. so because the governments have police enforcing neighborhoods & wherever, this leads folks to make up designer drugs. give a guy a opiate poppy - a flower, or a marijuana bud - a flower, or thc brownies so they don't have to make krokodil

yes i know marijuana brownies are small time highs compared to injecting heroin, or, god forebid, gasoline, codeine & vinegar cocktails

stop the war on drugs & these man made death highs will disapear; you know, meth & krokodil maybe even crack

hedonist

Last-12-Exit wrote:

I've heard about this and seen tv reports. its a nasty drug. what I don't get is why someone would have thought to put gasoline in codeine. what people will do for a high. in the words of Denis Leary, "what happened to smokin a joint, eatin a couple twinkies, and going to sleep?"

No shit! And amen, Denis.

This is frightening - the mentality of even considering, let alone actually doing it.

gecko, good on ya. I hope your students get it.

mookeywrench

chadwick wrote:

the war on drugs is exactly why krokodil exists. imagine if a person could get high quality heroin, they'd be set.

Seems more like addiction is why this drug exists. The article says the drugs draw is that it is 20 times less expensive than heroin.

These people are most likely so addicted to heroin that the withdrawal symptoms are just as deadly as the drug itself and they're broke. So it's either start robbing people or whoring themselves out for cash or find a cheaper alternative such as Krokodil.

Legal high quality heroin is going to cost legal high quality dollars and will make no difference for their situation.

jasonbouchard88

I've read about this last year. I've seen the pictures of people who used that drug. It is so disgusting that I just can't bring myself to look at the pictures. Maybe I will read the article, but will avoid looking at pictures.

ajedigecko

hedonist wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

I've heard about this and seen tv reports. its a nasty drug. what I don't get is why someone would have thought to put gasoline in codeine. what people will do for a high. in the words of Denis Leary, "what happened to smokin a joint, eatin a couple twinkies, and going to sleep?"

No shit! And amen, Denis.

This is frightening - the mentality of even considering, let alone actually doing it.

gecko, good on ya. I hope your students get it.

They got it.

Jason P

The padawan lizards?

ajedigecko

Jason P wrote:

The padawan lizards?

They are not at that level.....yet.

chadwick

mookeywrench wrote:

chadwick wrote:

the war on drugs is exactly why krokodil exists. imagine if a person could get high quality heroin, they'd be set.

Seems more like addiction is why this drug exists. The article says the drugs draw is that it is 20 times less expensive than heroin.

These people are most likely so addicted to heroin that the withdrawal symptoms are just as deadly as the drug itself and they're broke. So it's either start robbing people or whoring themselves out for cash or find a cheaper alternative such as Krokodil.

Legal high quality heroin is going to cost legal high quality dollars and will make no difference for their situation.

it would be legal bringing the price down to a remarkable all time low. legal medical marijuana for example is quite inexpensive & the quality is remarkable

brianlux

chadwick wrote:

mookeywrench wrote:

chadwick wrote:

the war on drugs is exactly why krokodil exists. imagine if a person could get high quality heroin, they'd be set.

Seems more like addiction is why this drug exists. The article says the drugs draw is that it is 20 times less expensive than heroin.

These people are most likely so addicted to heroin that the withdrawal symptoms are just as deadly as the drug itself and they're broke. So it's either start robbing people or whoring themselves out for cash or find a cheaper alternative such as Krokodil.

Legal high quality heroin is going to cost legal high quality dollars and will make no difference for their situation.

it would be legal bringing the price down to a remarkable all time low. legal medical marijuana for example is quite inexpensive & the quality is remarkable

I totally agree. If all drugs were legal and inexpensive we would see much less crime and fewer lives lost needlessly. The "war on drugs" simply costs us all more money, keeps crime rates higher and endangers users. Addicts will be addicts weather legal or not so lets put an end to this useless "war" are face the reality that it does no good.

mookeywrench

brianlux wrote:

chadwick wrote:

it would be legal bringing the price down to a remarkable all time low. legal medical marijuana for example is quite inexpensive & the quality is remarkable

I totally agree. If all drugs were legal and inexpensive we would see much less crime and fewer lives lost needlessly. The "war on drugs" simply costs us all more money, keeps crime rates higher and endangers users. Addicts will be addicts weather legal or not so lets put an end to this useless "war" are face the reality that it does no good.

I don't know....sounds great on paper, but the government and anti-lobbyists will shit all over it.

When's the last time you saw someone touting how cheap they got their last pack of cigarettes? Or be so excited to pay that 20% surcharge on liquor because it's such a sweet deal.

In Washington state, congress is planning to match the black market price of weed rather than severely undercut them.

Plus, if you're addicted, you'll always need more and it's never going to be at the price.

brianlux

mookeywrench wrote:

brianlux wrote:

chadwick wrote:

it would be legal bringing the price down to a remarkable all time low. legal medical marijuana for example is quite inexpensive & the quality is remarkable

I totally agree. If all drugs were legal and inexpensive we would see much less crime and fewer lives lost needlessly. The "war on drugs" simply costs us all more money, keeps crime rates higher and endangers users. Addicts will be addicts weather legal or not so lets put an end to this useless "war" are face the reality that it does no good.

I don't know....sounds great on paper, but the government and anti-lobbyists will shit all over it.

When's the last time you saw someone touting how cheap they got their last pack of cigarettes? Or be so excited to pay that 20% surcharge on liquor because it's such a sweet deal.

In Washington state, congress is planning to match the black market price of weed rather than severely undercut them.

Plus, if you're addicted, you'll always need more and it's never going to be at the price.

Yeah, probably right that it will never happen. Maybe what we need is a world that is clean and healthy, a way of living sustainable, a society just such that very few people would feel the need for addictions. That also sounds good on paper but sometimes a good plan starts as an idea, some graphite on paper.

Jason P

We need the people behind the Anti-Smoking campaign to take up the Anti-Drug campaign. People seem to favor legalizing drugs, but if you try to light up a smoke in public you will get harrased and many a stink eye.

Hard to believe you could still smoke in a plane just a few decades ago.

ajedigecko

Jason P wrote:

We need the people behind the Anti-Smoking campaign to take up the Anti-Drug campaign. People seem to favor legalizing drugs, but if you try to light up a smoke in public you will get harrased and many a stink eye.

Hard to believe you could still smoke in a plane just a few decades ago.

this is a good idea.

chadwick

mookeywrench wrote:

brianlux wrote:

chadwick wrote:

it would be legal bringing the price down to a remarkable all time low. legal medical marijuana for example is quite inexpensive & the quality is remarkable

I totally agree. If all drugs were legal and inexpensive we would see much less crime and fewer lives lost needlessly. The "war on drugs" simply costs us all more money, keeps crime rates higher and endangers users. Addicts will be addicts weather legal or not so lets put an end to this useless "war" are face the reality that it does no good.

I don't know....sounds great on paper, but the government and anti-lobbyists will shit all over it.

When's the last time you saw someone touting how cheap they got their last pack of cigarettes? Or be so excited to pay that 20% surcharge on liquor because it's such a sweet deal.

In Washington state, congress is planning to match the black market price of weed rather than severely undercut them.

Plus, if you're addicted, you'll always need more and it's never going to be at the price.

reservation cigarettes... cheap, cheap, cheap.
& those indian reservation tobaccos do not have all the extra junk main stream tobaccos are injected with.

half the price at least & actually better for ya... yep ... better for us than a marlboro, winston or camel & so on & so forth