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JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
edited September 2013 in A Moving Train
Not to rain too much on the "truth" brigade's parade, but would an evil, authoritarian, shadow government capable of and willing to pull something like this off really let you put a billboard like this up?

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairp ... 911_tr.php

:fp:

cha ching...

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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,168
    Who the hell doesn't know that?
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr26kDE5xpg
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    BinauralJam wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr26kDE5xpg

    Possible I missed it but at what time during that clip does either of those three firefighters use the word "bomb"? I would figure they would have since the video is titled "9/11 Firefighters Reveal Bombs Destroyed WTC Lobby". They actually don't do that. They describe explosions, second and third explosions, that rocked the towers while they were inside the lobby. These explosions could have been anything, especially since planes had already rammed into these buildings and they were moments away from total collapse. Gas, electric, steam...they could have been caused by anything.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    JimmyV wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr26kDE5xpg

    Possible I missed it but at what time during that clip does either of those three firefighters use the word "bomb"? I would figure they would have since the video is titled "9/11 Firefighters Reveal Bombs Destroyed WTC Lobby". They actually don't do that. They describe explosions, second and third explosions, that rocked the towers while they were inside the lobby. These explosions could have been anything, especially since planes had already rammed into these buildings and they were moments away from total collapse. Gas, electric, steam...they could have been caused by anything.


    Guess they were wrong then :D
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    BinauralJam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr26kDE5xpg

    Possible I missed it but at what time during that clip does either of those three firefighters use the word "bomb"? I would figure they would have since the video is titled "9/11 Firefighters Reveal Bombs Destroyed WTC Lobby". They actually don't do that. They describe explosions, second and third explosions, that rocked the towers while they were inside the lobby. These explosions could have been anything, especially since planes had already rammed into these buildings and they were moments away from total collapse. Gas, electric, steam...they could have been caused by anything.


    Guess they were wrong then :D

    Not sure it is a question of them being right or wrong. They just never do reveal what the video's title claims they do. Remember, these are three men who have just been through hell. Did they witness explosions? It seems clear they did. Does that mean they witnessed bombs exploding? Not at all a sure thing.
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  • even flow - question markeven flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    They need advertising for that. I guess some people have short memories and they just want to jog em.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Small home and building fires have secondary and third explosions. Magnify that to two of the tallest buildings in the world get slammed with jets full or jet fuel and you're just bound to get more explosions.
    E8toX.gif

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    My response to people who truth 9/11 is, how could the same government not be able to hide a WMD in the middle of Iraq to get off the hook for invading?

    Now go smack yourself in the head.
  • even flow - question markeven flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Jason P wrote:
    My response to people who truth 9/11 is, how could the same government not be able to hide a WMD in the middle of Iraq to get off the hook for invading?

    Now go smack yourself in the head.


    NO WMD? What was the excuse to kill Sadam again? Defending his country? Spin the black circle.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    NO WMD? What was the excuse to kill Sadam again? Defending his country? Spin the black circle.
    He tried to kill W's daddy and was having an affair with the dark prince.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Jason P wrote:
    My response to people who truth 9/11 is, how could the same government not be able to hide a WMD in the middle of Iraq to get off the hook for invading?

    Now go smack yourself in the head.
    now go smack yourself in the head. :lol::lol::lol: Fuckin perfect.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Jason P wrote:
    My response to people who truth 9/11 is, how could the same government not be able to hide a WMD in the middle of Iraq to get off the hook for invading?

    Now go smack yourself in the head.
    Why would they bother risking another falsification to justify the invasion when they were already there? You say this as if they ever cared about the public's opinion, or worried about being convicted of war crimes.

    As for all the hypotheticals about the explosions in the basement....secondary explosions a hundred stories away from the impact? I dunno about that....why are people ok with suggesting possible explanations and leaving it at that, but completely willing to ridicule anyone who speculates about other aspects of the official account? Why not support a proper investigation? Why accept the complete travesty of justice that was the 9/11 commision report?
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    My response to people who truth 9/11 is, how could the same government not be able to hide a WMD in the middle of Iraq to get off the hook for invading?

    Now go smack yourself in the head.
    Why would they bother risking another falsification to justify the invasion when they were already there? You say this as if they ever cared about the public's opinion, or worried about being convicted of war crimes.

    As for all the hypotheticals about the explosions in the basement....secondary explosions a hundred stories away from the impact? I dunno about that....why are people ok with suggesting possible explanations and leaving it at that, but completely willing to ridicule anyone who speculates about other aspects of the official account? Why not support a proper investigation? Why accept the complete travesty of justice that was the 9/11 commision report?
    Because most, if not all of the conspiracies and myths have been debunked.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    My response to people who truth 9/11 is, how could the same government not be able to hide a WMD in the middle of Iraq to get off the hook for invading?

    Now go smack yourself in the head.
    Why would they bother risking another falsification to justify the invasion when they were already there? You say this as if they ever cared about the public's opinion, or worried about being convicted of war crimes.

    As for all the hypotheticals about the explosions in the basement....secondary explosions a hundred stories away from the impact? I dunno about that....why are people ok with suggesting possible explanations and leaving it at that, but completely willing to ridicule anyone who speculates about other aspects of the official account? Why not support a proper investigation? Why accept the complete travesty of justice that was the 9/11 commision report?
    Sorry if feelings are hurt. The concept that our government can pull off highly complicated and coordinated schemes that would require a huge number of people working together in plain view of the public eye and are then able to keep quite about it for years is almost as plausable as me finding bigfoot. Heck, Obama can't even give his State of the Union without someone posting it online ahead of time.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Another point ... Imploding a structure with precision is super difficult

    Let's take the Kingdome for example. After months of planning and engineering, let's say right before they hit the switch, a small Net Jet hit spun out of control and smashed into the dome with little fuel but caused structural damage. Would the highly planned demolition still went off successfully?

    Now say there are two Kingdomes side by side, both being planned for implosion and a second Net Jet crashes into that roof with little fuel but caused structural damage.

    What are the odds that the demo team could hit the charge switch and both Kingdomes would come crashing perfectly to the ground? 1000 to 1?

    Now, what if instead of Net Jets, they were Boeing 747's full of jet fuel. What are the odds that the charges would still operate successfully? 1,000,000,000 to 1?

    That's my point ...
  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    What caused building 7 to fall within it's own footprint?
    As there a 3rd plane in NY I've yet to hear aboit? No matter how you look at the goernments reasons for some things just dont add up, scientifially speaking.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,052
    Another issue like the Kennedy assassination that may never be fully explained.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    the wolf wrote:
    What caused building 7 to fall within it's own footprint?
    As there a 3rd plane in NY I've yet to hear aboit? No matter how you look at the goernments reasons for some things just dont add up, scientifially speaking.
    it fell due to the massive fires raging inside of it. there was nnk need to risk anymore firefighters lives in an already lost building. the building was less than half the size of the wtc. scientificly, how else would it fall?
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Those 3 building in NYC fell at free fall speed, if you were to go to the top of the empire state building and drop a rock it would take between 10-11 seconds to hit the ground, that's how fast those building went down, it's looked like a controlled demolition. Then there's Larry Silverstein taking out insurance just 6 weeks before the attacks, How lucky for him.

    We've all seen films of the towers being hit by the planes and then falling, but ALL film of the "plane" hitting the pentagon were taken by various government agency's in the interesting of nation security. Why? isnt it just another plane hitting a building? what's the problem here?


    The whole thing stinks, i know i'm not going to convince those of you who believe it was those 19 terrorists, just know you're not going to convince me it wasnt something bigger, look at all the changes our country has implemented since, a lot of people have greatly benefited for this tragedy. i smell a rat. plan and simple.
  • even flow - question markeven flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    BinauralJam wrote:
    We've all seen films of the towers being hit by the planes and then falling, but ALL film of the "plane" hitting the pentagon were taken by various government agency's in the interesting of nation security. Why? isnt it just another plane hitting a building? what's the problem here?


    That 1 1/2 seconds of whatever flying by that camera didn't convince you of a plane hitting the pentagon? Me either. ;)

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Those 3 building in NYC fell at free fall speed, if you were to go to the top of the empire state building and drop a rock it would take between 10-11 seconds to hit the ground, that's how fast those building went down, it's looked like a controlled demolition. Then there's Larry Silverstein taking out insurance just 6 weeks before the attacks, How lucky for him.

    We've all seen films of the towers being hit by the planes and then falling, but ALL film of the "plane" hitting the pentagon were taken by various government agency's in the interesting of nation security. Why? isnt it just another plane hitting a building? what's the problem here?


    The whole thing stinks, i know i'm not going to convince those of you who believe it was those 19 terrorists, just know you're not going to convince me it wasnt something bigger, look at all the changes our country has implemented since, a lot of people have greatly benefited for this tragedy. i smell a rat. plan and simple.

    Changing people's minds often requires having an argument that makes sense. When Truthers focus on the claim that there was no plane at the Pentagon they don't have one. If you honestly believe that the events of 9/11 were all part of some massive conspiracy, then crashing a plane into the Pentagon would have been one of the easiest parts of that conspiracy to accomplish. Yet this fact gets glazed over because it is much easier to focus on what can and cannot be proven via video. Where are the people who were on that plane? What happened to them? How did they die? What happened to the plane they boarded that morning?

    The theory that there was no plane at the Pentagon continues to make no sense.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    edited September 2013
    JimmyV wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Those 3 building in NYC fell at free fall speed, if you were to go to the top of the empire state building and drop a rock it would take between 10-11 seconds to hit the ground, that's how fast those building went down, it's looked like a controlled demolition. Then there's Larry Silverstein taking out insurance just 6 weeks before the attacks, How lucky for him.

    We've all seen films of the towers being hit by the planes and then falling, but ALL film of the "plane" hitting the pentagon were taken by various government agency's in the interesting of nation security. Why? isnt it just another plane hitting a building? what's the problem here?


    The whole thing stinks, i know i'm not going to convince those of you who believe it was those 19 terrorists, just know you're not going to convince me it wasnt something bigger, look at all the changes our country has implemented since, a lot of people have greatly benefited for this tragedy. i smell a rat. plan and simple.

    Changing people's minds often requires having an argument that makes sense. When Truthers focus on the claim that there was no plane at the Pentagon they don't have one. If you honestly believe that the events of 9/11 were all part of some massive conspiracy, then crashing a plane into the Pentagon would have been one of the easiest parts of that conspiracy to accomplish. Yet this fact gets glazed over because it is much easier to focus on what can and cannot be proven via video. Where are the people who were on that plane? What happened to them? How did they die? What happened to the plane they boarded that morning?

    The theory that there was no plane at the Pentagon continues to make no sense.

    Then why did they confiscate all the film from surrounding areas?

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... 911_90.htm

    Look at the angle the plane would to have to hit the pentagon, like it was coming in for a landing, would have did more damage if over a greater area if it came in from a steeper angle, i find this curious.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    BinauralJam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Those 3 building in NYC fell at free fall speed, if you were to go to the top of the empire state building and drop a rock it would take between 10-11 seconds to hit the ground, that's how fast those building went down, it's looked like a controlled demolition. Then there's Larry Silverstein taking out insurance just 6 weeks before the attacks, How lucky for him.

    We've all seen films of the towers being hit by the planes and then falling, but ALL film of the "plane" hitting the pentagon were taken by various government agency's in the interesting of nation security. Why? isnt it just another plane hitting a building? what's the problem here?


    The whole thing stinks, i know i'm not going to convince those of you who believe it was those 19 terrorists, just know you're not going to convince me it wasnt something bigger, look at all the changes our country has implemented since, a lot of people have greatly benefited for this tragedy. i smell a rat. plan and simple.

    Changing people's minds often requires having an argument that makes sense. When Truthers focus on the claim that there was no plane at the Pentagon they don't have one. If you honestly believe that the events of 9/11 were all part of some massive conspiracy, then crashing a plane into the Pentagon would have been one of the easiest parts of that conspiracy to accomplish. Yet this fact gets glazed over because it is much easier to focus on what can and cannot be proven via video. Where are the people who were on that plane? What happened to them? How did they die? What happened to the plane they boarded that morning?

    The theory that there was no plane at the Pentagon continues to make no sense.

    Then why did they confiscate all the film from surrounding areas?

    As part of the investigation perhaps? Wouldn't it make sense to look at any and all film?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    If there is no plane at the Pentagon, where are these people today?

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nat ... ight77.htm
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    JimmyV wrote:

    The theory that there was no plane at the Pentagon continues to make no sense.

    Then why did they confiscate all the film from surrounding areas?[/quote]

    As part of the investigation perhaps? Wouldn't it make sense to look at any and all film?[/quote]


    o.k., but they were never released afterwards, i mean this week a court ruled that the police radio transmissons from Sandy Hook had to be released in the interest of the freedom of information act, now i have no want to listen to those, but i would like to see other video's of the pentagon attack and there are not being released, no one's even pursuing there release.
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    JimmyV wrote:
    If there is no plane at the Pentagon, where are these people today?

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nat ... ight77.htm


    I would imagine they are dead. If the conspiracy is as ugly as i think it is.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    BinauralJam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    The theory that there was no plane at the Pentagon continues to make no sense.

    Then why did they confiscate all the film from surrounding areas?

    As part of the investigation perhaps? Wouldn't it make sense to look at any and all film?[/quote]


    o.k., but they were never released afterwards, i mean this week a court ruled that the police radio transmissons from Sandy Hook had to be released in the interest of the freedom of information act, now i have no want to listen to those, but i would like to see other video's of the pentagon attack and there are not being released, no one's even pursuing there release.[/quote]

    Can't say for sure. I do find it strange that with dozens of Truther organizations out there not one is pursuing their release. Wouldn't that be their holy grail and warrant FOIA request after FOIA request?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    BinauralJam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    If there is no plane at the Pentagon, where are these people today?

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nat ... ight77.htm


    I would imagine they are dead. If the conspiracy is as ugly as i think it is.

    They are dead. They were tragically murdered when terrorists crashed their plane into the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    JimmyV wrote:
    If there is no plane at the Pentagon, where are these people today?

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nat ... ight77.htm
    They were part of the acting cast at Sandy Hook.

    :corn:
  • even flow - question markeven flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    JimmyV wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    If there is no plane at the Pentagon, where are these people today?

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nat ... ight77.htm


    I would imagine they are dead. If the conspiracy is as ugly as i think it is.

    They are dead. They were tragically murdered when terrorists crashed their plane into the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th.


    What does your government do when they want somebody to snitch on somebody and then disappear. Multiply that by a plane load of people. I know I'd keep my mouth shut if they gave me a boat load of money and changed my name to Animal - Explanation Mark. Maybe not you but money in the land of greed seems to shut a lot of people up. And the way your government is, if they had to crash the plane (shrug shoulders) there is a bigger agenda that those people didn't belong too.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

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