Pussy Riot's Nadezhda Tolokonnikova moved to isolation
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24222947
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24222947
A jailed member of the punk band Pussy Riot has been moved to an isolation cell for her own safety, prison authorities in Russia say.
Nadezhda Tolokonnikova on Monday announced she had started a hunger strike to protest against the conditions in her penal colony.
But the prison service denied her solitary confinement was a punishment.
Tolokonnikova and another band member were jailed after performing a crude song in a Moscow cathedral.
Their act was regarded as blasphemous by many Russians, but their prosecution caused an international outcry.
In a letter released to media this week, Tolokonnikova said she had complained that she faced threats from other inmates, and also about long hours of forced labour.
She said female inmates at penal labour colony No 14 in Mordovia were treated like "slaves", working 17 hours a day sewing police uniforms.
Andrei Tolokonnikov on his daughter Nadezhda: "She is one of Russia's most famous prisoners"
If they failed meet their quotas they were punished by being denied food, prevented from using the bathroom or made to stand outside in the cold, she wrote.
She said her call for improvements had not been met and so she was "declaring a hunger strike and refusing to take part in the slave labour in the colony until the administration starts obeying the law and stops treating incarcerated women like cattle."
The prison service denied her account and said women worked no more than eight hours a day.
A spokesman said on Tuesday that: "Nadezhda Tolokonnikova has been placed in a so-called safe place in the colony. It is not a punishment cell."
According to Tolokonnikova's lawyer, Irina Khrunova, her client had confirmed "that she was put in a safe place. She didn't tell me anything about a punishment cell".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24222947
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24222947
A jailed member of the punk band Pussy Riot has been moved to an isolation cell for her own safety, prison authorities in Russia say.
Nadezhda Tolokonnikova on Monday announced she had started a hunger strike to protest against the conditions in her penal colony.
But the prison service denied her solitary confinement was a punishment.
Tolokonnikova and another band member were jailed after performing a crude song in a Moscow cathedral.
Their act was regarded as blasphemous by many Russians, but their prosecution caused an international outcry.
In a letter released to media this week, Tolokonnikova said she had complained that she faced threats from other inmates, and also about long hours of forced labour.
She said female inmates at penal labour colony No 14 in Mordovia were treated like "slaves", working 17 hours a day sewing police uniforms.
Andrei Tolokonnikov on his daughter Nadezhda: "She is one of Russia's most famous prisoners"
If they failed meet their quotas they were punished by being denied food, prevented from using the bathroom or made to stand outside in the cold, she wrote.
She said her call for improvements had not been met and so she was "declaring a hunger strike and refusing to take part in the slave labour in the colony until the administration starts obeying the law and stops treating incarcerated women like cattle."
The prison service denied her account and said women worked no more than eight hours a day.
A spokesman said on Tuesday that: "Nadezhda Tolokonnikova has been placed in a so-called safe place in the colony. It is not a punishment cell."
According to Tolokonnikova's lawyer, Irina Khrunova, her client had confirmed "that she was put in a safe place. She didn't tell me anything about a punishment cell".
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I'm not sure what the connection is here. Maybe a different thread on Kokesh?
Pussy Riot are a feminist protest group. They work for freedom of expression around themes like feminism, gay rights, and speak out against Putin's basic dictatorial policies and his connections to the Russian Orthodox Church.
Adam Kokesh, on the other hand is Libertarian activist*, is anti war and wants to disband the federal government. Despite being anti war he is strongly pro-gun and frequently posts photos of himself with guns.
*which explains why you posted something about him but not sure why here.
Set Pussy Riot Free!!
You want to pull a stunt like they did in a country of which they did, you should have known the consequences that would come with said stunt. Again, just saying.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I'm quite sure they knew the consequences. What would make you think they didn't? Provoking the authorities was obviously the whole point of what they did in the first place.
Right. So why is she acting like a baby all of a sudden instead of living with what she created. Maybe she was too busy with orgies to worry about or look up the law as to what would happen if they pulled that stunt. You reap what you sow.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
What would be the point of protesting, getting sent to jail and then quietly sitting there and letting everybody forget about you?
I'm not sure you understand the concept of protesting at all.
It's so easy to judge people based on one article. You guys are something else. And she felt threatened from other inmates because of her notoriety. Or did you not even read that before you spewed a reaction post?
I'll say it again. She has more balls than most men existing.
^^^^
Why people are getting so bitter and defensive about this woman's actions is confusing, but I get the impression that even flow - question mark is just personally offended by her "crimes" and is looking for any excuse to criticise her that he can, regardless of whether it is logical or objective. If everybody thought like that, nobody would ever speak out against injustice.
I hope you remember this sentiment when the poor Boston Bomber is sentenced.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Well you have me pegged. ha ha ha
I have problems with people (with balls) who go to the lovely thing we call prison and start crying the blues about the treatment. If I had it my way and you were in prison you'd be on a chain gang cleaning up my city. Useless protest that turned her into a prisoner. I guess she picked the wrong establishment to play fire with. But you people are too far up her ass to even see that part of the story. Has balls? Right?!?!
She can protest until the cows come home. People with balls don't cry!
And Jimmy V...............he'll get what's coming to him in Boston. And then you can pull that same quote up that I had written and I'll agree with it. If he starts to complain.
Protest away!!!!!
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And since we are posting what we know other posters know or don't know.....pingfish does not seem to understand the saying, "don't do the crime, if you can't do the time". no highlight needed!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I don't think you even know what you are arguing about.
This "useless protest" has her in the news cycle very regularly and is highlighting all the issues they wanted to highlight, you don't get any more useful than that. We are even having a conversation about her right now. I reiterate, you don't seem to understand the concept of protesting.
You seem in fact to be rather threatened by this strong woman.
Hitler, Charles Manson and her have me sleepless at night.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Agreed.
I’d have to agree with even flow question mark. Countries have different laws and in some countries prisons are prisons, not country clubs and change doesn’t happen overnight and doesn't happen without scarfices and lost.
I don’t think the point of the story is the history of the band. The goal of the band was to bring attention to what they feel is wrong under Putin’s government. Yet, with ANY government, when you put yourself out there, you have to be aware that there can be fallouts because everyone has their own opinions. Pussy Riot was given some leeway in their costumed flash mob type activities - they tested the waters – then got cocky and went too far.
Here’s what Pussy Riot needs to understand, there’s not going to be any Arab Spring type uprising in Russia. You may think it’s all about Putin, but there is a whole military and intelligence apparatus ‘letting’ Putin handle things – To a Point.
Look, she’s in jail, she could be dead and forgotten by now and her whole little Pussy Riot mob could have just disappeared.
So you see things have changed.
Pussy Riot Prisoner’s “Slavery-like Conditions” and the Limits of Political Speech
Members of Russian punk band Pussy Riot went to prison last year for the crime of disrupting a church service to sing a protest song. Now, one member has revealed astonishing details of a cruel prison environment that is closer to that of the gulags of the Soviet past than to anything you might find on Orange Is the New Black.
Exposing an environment of pervasive oppression, abuse, and manipulation, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova writes of sleep limited to nightly 4-hour shifts, paired with 18-hour days working on decrepit equipment to produce uniforms for officers of the state. Systems rigged to produce punishment include impossible-to-meet, ever-increasing production quotas, worsened by random deprivations that take away food, water, hygiene privileges, rest, and warm clothing in intense cold. While realizing that her fame protects her from the beatings that are routine in the camp, Tolokonnikova details that “others are beaten up. For not being able to keep up. They hit them in the kidneys, in the face. Prisoners themselves deliver these beatings” with the knowledge and encouragement of guards. She describes a system of “collective punishment” in response to official complaints she has filed about the abuses. In one disturbing passage, Tolokonnikova writes of the consequences of her attempts to report the violations:
It is possible to tolerate anything as long as it only affects you. But the method of collective punishment is bigger than that. It means that your unit, or even the entire colony, is required to endure your punishment along with you. This includes, worst of all, people you’ve come to care about. One of my friends was denied parole, for which she had been awaiting seven years, working hard to exceed her work quotas. She was reprimanded for drinking tea with me. That day, Lieutenant Colonel Kupriyanov transferred her to another unit. Another close acquaintance of mine, a very well-educated woman, was thrown into the “stress unit” for daily beatings because she was reading and discussing a Justice Department document with me, entitled: “Regulations for the code of conduct at correctional facilities.”
Now, she’s embarked on a hunger strike that some hope will lead to reform. The song that landed Tolokonnikova in prison was 40 seconds long. Her ordeal, and that of other convicted bandmates, will be at least 2 years long. The nature of her crime — criticism of the existing system of power — might seem innocent to most Americans. Yet the question of the limits of political speech (and the morality of punishing it) has been raised in reference to recently-targeted leakers and whistleblowers in the United States. Sometimes, extreme cases like that of Pussy Riot can expose fundamental flaws in the way governments view and respond to acts of political protest. The question becomes: will these discoveries lead to reform, or a tightening of restrictions on those who take the risk of speaking out?
Hopefully reform! It's important that a big part of what is happening with this story is the exposure of the harshness of Russian prisons. I once met a young Russian man who, because he refused military service as a conscientious objector, was given the choice of going to a prison or a mental hospital. He went to the mental hospital where he was forced to become the subject of an experiment in which he was injected with olive oil. He said this caused excruciating pain in his joints. He also said this treatment was, never the less, the better option rather than going to prison there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/0 ... 17448.html
Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, Pussy Riot Member, 'Transferred To Siberia'
Jailed Pussy Riot band member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova is on her way to a new penal colony in Siberia, her husband said Tuesday, following fears after two weeks without information about her whereabouts.
Tolokonnikova, 23, who alleged major prison abuses in her previous colony in central Russia, is on her way to a new prison colony deep in the Krasnoyarsk region, her husband Pyotr Verzilov wrote on Twitter, saying the information comes from a reliable source.
The penal colony number 50 in the town of Nizhny Ingash lies about 300 kilometres (185 miles) from the regional centre Krasnoyarsk, four time zones away from Moscow and sitting on Russia's Trans-Siberian railway.
"Essentially, she is transferred 4,500 kilometres (2,800 miles) from central Russia to the heart of Siberia as punishment for the resonance of her letter" that alleged abuses, Verzilov added.
With just months left of her two-year term for performing a "punk prayer" in Russia's main Orthodox cathedral protesting ties between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Kremlin, Tolokonnikova had demanded to be transferred from her prior colony in Mordovia region.
She went on a hunger strike in protest of conditions she described as "slave labour" and constant harassment by colony administration. The strike ended when she started having health problems and was placed on a drip in the prison hospital.
Verzilov then said he had lost sight of his wife after October 22, and complained that his queries to Russia's prison service as to her whereabouts only received a response that she was being transferred.
Russia's rights ombudsman Vladimir Lukin said Tuesday that he had been assured that Tolokonnikova was in good health and had a doctor accompanying her on her long transfer.
"She is eating and they say her health is acceptable," he told Interfax. Her transfer has her completely isolated "in the interests of security," he added.
Russian prison service takes days if not weeks to transfer prisoners, usually on trains, and says it is standard practice not to inform the convicts' families of the process.
Pay your price for being an idiot!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Are you kidding?
Are you jealous?
This is an astonishingly petty and bitter attitude. I wonder why you hate this woman so much? Because she stands up for women, and for free speech I assume.
I think it's called baiting which is one step from trolling. I fell for the trap too. Bad on me.