I used to be against War but, We've done so well in the middle east that to not attack Syria and Hopefully Iran afterwards would feel like we half assed it at this point.
I used to be against War but, We've done so well in the middle east that to not attack Syria and Hopefully Iran afterwards would feel like we half assed it at this point.
In what way have we done well in the middle east?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I used to be against War but, We've done so well in the middle east that to not attack Syria and Hopefully Iran afterwards would feel like we half assed it at this point.
In what way have we done well in the middle east?
Gas prices have plummeted, almost done to 3.80 a Gallon, WINNING!!
Syria is a Lose/Lose situation for the United States.
The U.S. should get involved in military actions... ONLY IF... it is part of an overwhelming Global Effort to dole out punishment to the Assad government.
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Also, I feel we should only commit long range air attacks and intelligence... not any troops. Have the Arab nations d othe heavy lifting for a change.
thats all thats been proposed though, thats what obama is talking about, long range air attacks
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If anything... and i mean anything as in our role as soley providing technical support and intelligence data to a force made up of 100 or so other nations.
Going it 'alone' is not our business.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I used to be against War but, We've done so well in the middle east that to not attack Syria and Hopefully Iran afterwards would feel like we half assed it at this point.
In what way have we done well in the middle east?
Gas prices have plummeted, almost done to 3.80 a Gallon, WINNING!!
what were the gas prices? i think we're some 50 cents lower than your 3.80
i'll look next time if i can remember
Why is lower gas prices considered "winning" when so many lives have been lost and when so many people are emotionally and /or physically crippled just for the sake of saving a few bucks on a tank of gas? And besides- lower gas prices means more driving mean driving global warming faster means killing ourselves and other creatures faster. Good grief, I just don't understand that line of thinking.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Why is lower gas prices considered "winning" when so many lives have been lost and when so many people are emotionally and /or physically crippled just for the sake of saving a few bucks on a tank of gas? And besides- lower gas prices means more driving mean driving global warming faster means killing ourselves and other creatures faster. Good grief, I just don't understand that line of thinking.
I don't want to speak for BinauralJam but I think those last two posts were sarcasm.
Why is lower gas prices considered "winning" when so many lives have been lost and when so many people are emotionally and /or physically crippled just for the sake of saving a few bucks on a tank of gas? And besides- lower gas prices means more driving mean driving global warming faster means killing ourselves and other creatures faster. Good grief, I just don't understand that line of thinking.
I don't want to speak for BinauralJam but I think those last two posts were sarcasm.
Doh! :fp:
I think you're right.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Why is lower gas prices considered "winning" when so many lives have been lost and when so many people are emotionally and /or physically crippled just for the sake of saving a few bucks on a tank of gas? And besides- lower gas prices means more driving mean driving global warming faster means killing ourselves and other creatures faster. Good grief, I just don't understand that line of thinking.
I don't want to speak for BinauralJam but I think those last two posts were sarcasm.
Seeing as many of us here are against engaging in war in Syria, it makes sense that you might want to (NOT "should", hedonist ) tell congress (or Parliament or whatever) how you feel. Besides voicing grievances, it would seem to make sense to tell congress how you feel. Write letters, make phone calls, sign petitions (there are plenty of them out there, especially the easy-to-find on-line ones). True, your voice is tiny and these things are not earth moving but lots of tiny voices make some noise and besides, how much effort does it take? Surely no more than it takes to tell me I am so, so wrong, or full of beans or what ever. Not that I mind. The noodle lashings keep me amused.
But seriously, if it matters enough to gripe about, it matters enough to send a simple message.
My thoughts exactly. FIred off emails earlier today to my representatives. Now is the time to be let your voice be heard--voting on Obama's plan will start soon. If we start, how long will it really take to stop? Peace.
I wish I was a radio song, the one that you turned up
Seeing as many of us here are against engaging in war in Syria, it makes sense that you might want to (NOT "should", hedonist ) tell congress (or Parliament or whatever) how you feel. Besides voicing grievances, it would seem to make sense to tell congress how you feel. Write letters, make phone calls, sign petitions (there are plenty of them out there, especially the easy-to-find on-line ones). True, your voice is tiny and these things are not earth moving but lots of tiny voices make some noise and besides, how much effort does it take? Surely no more than it takes to tell me I am so, so wrong, or full of beans or what ever. Not that I mind. The noodle lashings keep me amused.
But seriously, if it matters enough to gripe about, it matters enough to send a simple message.
My thoughts exactly. FIred off emails earlier today to my representatives. Now is the time to be let your voice be heard--voting on Obama's plan will start soon. If we start, how long will it really take to stop? Peace.
Very cool, Karmaholic1!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Thanks for this. I have written to Congressman Kennedy and Senators Warren and Markey urging them to vote against any involvement by our military.
Congressman Kennedy's response, for what its worth:
Dear Jim,
Thank you for contacting me about the role of the United States in the civil war in Syria. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue and am glad to have the opportunity to respond.
The popular-uprising-turned-armed-rebellion in Syria has entered its third year, and seems poised to continue, with the government and various militias locked in a bloody struggle for control. Many in the international community believe that President Bashar al Assad and his supporters will ultimately be forced from power. Opposition forces to the regime are formidable, but forces loyal to President Assad continue to resist, using air strikes, artillery, and pro-government militias in punishing counterattacks. U.S. officials believe that the capacity of government forces is eroding but also believe that fighting would likely continue even if opposition groups achieve their objective of toppling Assad. Amid extensive damage to major urban areas, and reports attributing war crimes to both government and opposition forces, the fighting has created a regional humanitarian emergency. According the United Nations Secretary General, over 100,000 Syrians have been killed in the conflict, over 1.9 million refugees have fled the country, and over 4.2 million are displaced internally, with thousands trapped in besieged areas and cut off from humanitarian assistance.
United Nations appeals for humanitarian aid to the region remain mostly underfunded, with U.N officials warning of a potential collapse of their ability to support the growing number of those displaced and in need. The United States government has provided over $1 billion in assistance to the humanitarian response to date.
President Obama and his Administration have been calling for Assad's resignation since August 2011, and have pressed the United Nations Security Council to condemn the Syrian government. The United States has recognized the National Coalition of Revolution and Opposition Forces (SOC) as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people and is providing nonlethal assistance and possibly small arms to the Coalition and an affiliated Supreme Military Command Council (SMC). The Obama Administration believes that a negotiated political settlement is required and has prepared military plans to secure Syria's stockpiles of chemical weapons, if necessary. The United States and Russia have urged both sides to commit to peace talks under United States auspices in Geneva, but neither side has expressed willingness to negotiate.
As we emerge from a global recession, the United States is facing the most complex foreign policy landscape since World War II. Unprecedented levels of globalization have made the impact of entrenched regional and ideological conflicts vaster than ever before. This growing level of interconnection and interdependence is the reality we must navigate as we shape U.S. foreign policy moving forward. It presents challenges and opportunities that will define our place in the world for generations to come. There are no easy answers when it comes to the conflicts in Syria, Egypt and other countries across the Middle East. In a time of such dramatic upheaval, I believe the United States has an opportunity and a responsibility to provide leadership that encourages peaceful diplomacy, the growth of democracy, and the protection of economic stability and human rights. To withdraw or isolate ourselves from these situations leaves a dramatic leadership void that can quickly be filled by those who wish us harm. Our international aid also remains the best tool we have to combat hunger, poverty and disease – epidemics that are universal in their human cost and economic destabilization. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee Subcommittee on the Middle East and North Africa, I will continue to work with my colleagues to ensure that our response to the humanitarian crisis in Syria upholds American values and protects American interests. I will keep your views in mind as any legislation on Syria comes before me in the House for a vote.
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me; I am honored to represent the constituents of the Fourth District of Massachusetts. Please feel free to call or write my office with future questions or concerns. Additionally, I invite you to visit my website at www.kennedy.house.gov or follow me on Facebook to learn more about my work at home and in Washington.
Thanks for this. I have written to Congressman Kennedy and Senators Warren and Markey urging them to vote against any involvement by our military.
Congressman Kennedy's response, for what its worth:
Dear Jim,
Thank you for contacting me about the role of the United States in the civil war in Syria. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue and am glad to have the opportunity to respond.
The popular-uprising-turned-armed-rebellion in Syria has entered its third year, and seems poised to continue, with the government and various militias locked in a bloody struggle for control. Many in the international community believe that President Bashar al Assad and his supporters will ultimately be forced from power. Opposition forces to the regime are formidable, but forces loyal to President Assad continue to resist, using air strikes, artillery, and pro-government militias in punishing counterattacks. U.S. officials believe that the capacity of government forces is eroding but also believe that fighting would likely continue even if opposition groups achieve their objective of toppling Assad. Amid extensive damage to major urban areas, and reports attributing war crimes to both government and opposition forces, the fighting has created a regional humanitarian emergency. According the United Nations Secretary General, over 100,000 Syrians have been killed in the conflict, over 1.9 million refugees have fled the country, and over 4.2 million are displaced internally, with thousands trapped in besieged areas and cut off from humanitarian assistance.
United Nations appeals for humanitarian aid to the region remain mostly underfunded, with U.N officials warning of a potential collapse of their ability to support the growing number of those displaced and in need. The United States government has provided over $1 billion in assistance to the humanitarian response to date.
President Obama and his Administration have been calling for Assad's resignation since August 2011, and have pressed the United Nations Security Council to condemn the Syrian government. The United States has recognized the National Coalition of Revolution and Opposition Forces (SOC) as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people and is providing nonlethal assistance and possibly small arms to the Coalition and an affiliated Supreme Military Command Council (SMC). The Obama Administration believes that a negotiated political settlement is required and has prepared military plans to secure Syria's stockpiles of chemical weapons, if necessary. The United States and Russia have urged both sides to commit to peace talks under United States auspices in Geneva, but neither side has expressed willingness to negotiate.
As we emerge from a global recession, the United States is facing the most complex foreign policy landscape since World War II. Unprecedented levels of globalization have made the impact of entrenched regional and ideological conflicts vaster than ever before. This growing level of interconnection and interdependence is the reality we must navigate as we shape U.S. foreign policy moving forward. It presents challenges and opportunities that will define our place in the world for generations to come. There are no easy answers when it comes to the conflicts in Syria, Egypt and other countries across the Middle East. In a time of such dramatic upheaval, I believe the United States has an opportunity and a responsibility to provide leadership that encourages peaceful diplomacy, the growth of democracy, and the protection of economic stability and human rights. To withdraw or isolate ourselves from these situations leaves a dramatic leadership void that can quickly be filled by those who wish us harm. Our international aid also remains the best tool we have to combat hunger, poverty and disease – epidemics that are universal in their human cost and economic destabilization. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee Subcommittee on the Middle East and North Africa, I will continue to work with my colleagues to ensure that our response to the humanitarian crisis in Syria upholds American values and protects American interests. I will keep your views in mind as any legislation on Syria comes before me in the House for a vote.
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me; I am honored to represent the constituents of the Fourth District of Massachusetts. Please feel free to call or write my office with future questions or concerns. Additionally, I invite you to visit my website at http://www.kennedy.house.gov or follow me on Facebook to learn more about my work at home and in Washington.
All my best,
Joseph P. Kennedy
Member of Congress
Interesting response, i would strongly agree with most if not all of the sentiments in his response. even if it was the work of a staffer it is strong and logical argument.
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In what way have we done well in the middle east?
Gas prices have plummeted, almost done to 3.80 a Gallon, WINNING!!
If anything... and i mean anything as in our role as soley providing technical support and intelligence data to a force made up of 100 or so other nations.
Going it 'alone' is not our business.
Hail, Hail!!!
i'll look next time if i can remember
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I don't want to speak for BinauralJam but I think those last two posts were sarcasm.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Doh! :fp:
I think you're right.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
My thoughts exactly. FIred off emails earlier today to my representatives. Now is the time to be let your voice be heard--voting on Obama's plan will start soon. If we start, how long will it really take to stop? Peace.
Very cool, Karmaholic1!
Congressman Kennedy's response, for what its worth:
Dear Jim,
Thank you for contacting me about the role of the United States in the civil war in Syria. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue and am glad to have the opportunity to respond.
The popular-uprising-turned-armed-rebellion in Syria has entered its third year, and seems poised to continue, with the government and various militias locked in a bloody struggle for control. Many in the international community believe that President Bashar al Assad and his supporters will ultimately be forced from power. Opposition forces to the regime are formidable, but forces loyal to President Assad continue to resist, using air strikes, artillery, and pro-government militias in punishing counterattacks. U.S. officials believe that the capacity of government forces is eroding but also believe that fighting would likely continue even if opposition groups achieve their objective of toppling Assad. Amid extensive damage to major urban areas, and reports attributing war crimes to both government and opposition forces, the fighting has created a regional humanitarian emergency. According the United Nations Secretary General, over 100,000 Syrians have been killed in the conflict, over 1.9 million refugees have fled the country, and over 4.2 million are displaced internally, with thousands trapped in besieged areas and cut off from humanitarian assistance.
United Nations appeals for humanitarian aid to the region remain mostly underfunded, with U.N officials warning of a potential collapse of their ability to support the growing number of those displaced and in need. The United States government has provided over $1 billion in assistance to the humanitarian response to date.
President Obama and his Administration have been calling for Assad's resignation since August 2011, and have pressed the United Nations Security Council to condemn the Syrian government. The United States has recognized the National Coalition of Revolution and Opposition Forces (SOC) as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people and is providing nonlethal assistance and possibly small arms to the Coalition and an affiliated Supreme Military Command Council (SMC). The Obama Administration believes that a negotiated political settlement is required and has prepared military plans to secure Syria's stockpiles of chemical weapons, if necessary. The United States and Russia have urged both sides to commit to peace talks under United States auspices in Geneva, but neither side has expressed willingness to negotiate.
As we emerge from a global recession, the United States is facing the most complex foreign policy landscape since World War II. Unprecedented levels of globalization have made the impact of entrenched regional and ideological conflicts vaster than ever before. This growing level of interconnection and interdependence is the reality we must navigate as we shape U.S. foreign policy moving forward. It presents challenges and opportunities that will define our place in the world for generations to come. There are no easy answers when it comes to the conflicts in Syria, Egypt and other countries across the Middle East. In a time of such dramatic upheaval, I believe the United States has an opportunity and a responsibility to provide leadership that encourages peaceful diplomacy, the growth of democracy, and the protection of economic stability and human rights. To withdraw or isolate ourselves from these situations leaves a dramatic leadership void that can quickly be filled by those who wish us harm. Our international aid also remains the best tool we have to combat hunger, poverty and disease – epidemics that are universal in their human cost and economic destabilization. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee Subcommittee on the Middle East and North Africa, I will continue to work with my colleagues to ensure that our response to the humanitarian crisis in Syria upholds American values and protects American interests. I will keep your views in mind as any legislation on Syria comes before me in the House for a vote.
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me; I am honored to represent the constituents of the Fourth District of Massachusetts. Please feel free to call or write my office with future questions or concerns. Additionally, I invite you to visit my website at www.kennedy.house.gov or follow me on Facebook to learn more about my work at home and in Washington.
All my best,
Joseph P. Kennedy
Member of Congress
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Interesting response, i would strongly agree with most if not all of the sentiments in his response. even if it was the work of a staffer it is strong and logical argument.