Tell Congress "No War!"

peacefrompaul

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lcusick

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

With all the posts against any action in Syria, which I agree with. After spending 2+ years in either Kosovo, Iraq or Afghanistan I am tired of watching the United States, realisticaly kick ass, then we are dumbfounded as to what to do next. I am also tired of people suggesting military action when neither they or a loved one has ever served. I admit I have had it easy, but our men and women who leave the wire daily are tired, they are hurt. I think it is time to step back and let either the EU or the UN control this one. I would not mind advisors to those groups but not troops on the ground... I am going off on a rant here and I appologize if I sent the thread in a different direction, but USA, it's time to sit this one out.

We do need to sit this one out!!! And a whole lot of respect for you Dirtie Frank for serving your country!!

lcusick

brianlux wrote:

lcusick wrote:

I am old, so I remember Vietnam vividly. One of my cousins fought in Vietnam and died several years later from agent orange. Vietnam sucked and we had no business being there. I was 14 when the US pulled out of Vietnam. Although I was young, several of my cousins, and friend's siblings fought in that war. My one cousin managed to plead insane and get a doctor to verify he had mental problems in order to get out of Vietnam. We lived 50 minutes away from Kent State when four died protesting the war. We had to go pick up my other cousin who lived on campus when the National Guard was there. She called my parents crying and freaking out and wanted to get out of Kent. I was only 12 at the time, but driving onto KSU's campus that day with National Guard, tanks etc. left such an impression. But I tell ya what, so proud of that generation that stood up and said,"Hell no, we won't go." I wish people got out on the streets today and protested. I would be there. Not sure how to organize it, but very tempted to try.

"I was 14 when the US pulled out of Vietnam."

Ummm, lcusick, if that makes you old I'm... :oops:


All kidding aside, you are so right. We spoke out, we protested, we shut that war down, even though much later than most of us had hoped for. But those protests were gruesome. I remember that huge line of armored, mounted police coming on campus, heads busted open, friends jailed. I'm not so certain that kind of resistance would be effective in today's world. Maybe I really am getting old, but I think we would get more done by voting and writing letters, teaching acceptance of our differences (or "tolerance" though I'm not convinced that's the right word) seeking economic justice and especially learning to curb our consumptive habits- which goes back to the idea that wars exist partly, maybe hugely, over resources.

I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure that people will all write their congressman, I already did. I am just saying that if all the young people on college campuses joined together to protest, people (politicians), congress would notice. I know those protests against Vietnam were gruesome, but at least people didn't just sit by and act complacent.

unsung

Already done, however I'm in Illinois so they will all probably vote for attacking.

brianlux

unsung wrote:

Already done, however I'm in Illinois so they will all probably vote for attacking.

We can only each do our little part. Well done, unsung. :thumbup:

Jason P

All my life I've always wondered
What it would be like to fire off a bazooka
All my life I've always wondered
What it would be like to fire off a ballistic missile ...

Cosmo

Syria is a Lose/Lose situation for the United States.
The U.S. should get involved in military actions... ONLY IF... it is part of an overwhelming Global Effort to dole out punishment to the Assad government.
...
Also, I feel we should only commit long range air attacks and intelligence... not any troops. Have the Arab nations d othe heavy lifting for a change.

unsung

There's no reason to go there, world participation or not.

satansbed

Cosmo wrote:

Syria is a Lose/Lose situation for the United States.
The U.S. should get involved in military actions... ONLY IF... it is part of an overwhelming Global Effort to dole out punishment to the Assad government.
...
Also, I feel we should only commit long range air attacks and intelligence... not any troops. Have the Arab nations d othe heavy lifting for a change.

thats all thats been proposed though, thats what obama is talking about, long range air attacks

unsung

So you're good with fighting for al-Qaeda?

BinauralJam

I used to be against War but, We've done so well in the middle east that to not attack Syria and Hopefully Iran afterwards would feel like we half assed it at this point.

brianlux

BinauralJam wrote:

I used to be against War but, We've done so well in the middle east that to not attack Syria and Hopefully Iran afterwards would feel like we half assed it at this point.

In what way have we done well in the middle east?

BinauralJam

brianlux wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

I used to be against War but, We've done so well in the middle east that to not attack Syria and Hopefully Iran afterwards would feel like we half assed it at this point.

In what way have we done well in the middle east?

Gas prices have plummeted, almost done to 3.80 a Gallon, WINNING!!

Cosmo

satansbed wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Syria is a Lose/Lose situation for the United States.
The U.S. should get involved in military actions... ONLY IF... it is part of an overwhelming Global Effort to dole out punishment to the Assad government.
...
Also, I feel we should only commit long range air attacks and intelligence... not any troops. Have the Arab nations d othe heavy lifting for a change.

thats all thats been proposed though, thats what obama is talking about, long range air attacks

...
If anything... and i mean anything as in our role as soley providing technical support and intelligence data to a force made up of 100 or so other nations.
Going it 'alone' is not our business.

chadwick

BinauralJam wrote:

brianlux wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

I used to be against War but, We've done so well in the middle east that to not attack Syria and Hopefully Iran afterwards would feel like we half assed it at this point.

In what way have we done well in the middle east?

Gas prices have plummeted, almost done to 3.80 a Gallon, WINNING!!

what were the gas prices? i think we're some 50 cents lower than your 3.80
i'll look next time if i can remember

brianlux

Why is lower gas prices considered "winning" when so many lives have been lost and when so many people are emotionally and /or physically crippled just for the sake of saving a few bucks on a tank of gas? And besides- lower gas prices means more driving mean driving global warming faster means killing ourselves and other creatures faster. Good grief, I just don't understand that line of thinking.

JimmyV

brianlux wrote:

Why is lower gas prices considered "winning" when so many lives have been lost and when so many people are emotionally and /or physically crippled just for the sake of saving a few bucks on a tank of gas? And besides- lower gas prices means more driving mean driving global warming faster means killing ourselves and other creatures faster. Good grief, I just don't understand that line of thinking.

I don't want to speak for BinauralJam but I think those last two posts were sarcasm.

brianlux

JimmyV wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Why is lower gas prices considered "winning" when so many lives have been lost and when so many people are emotionally and /or physically crippled just for the sake of saving a few bucks on a tank of gas? And besides- lower gas prices means more driving mean driving global warming faster means killing ourselves and other creatures faster. Good grief, I just don't understand that line of thinking.

I don't want to speak for BinauralJam but I think those last two posts were sarcasm.

Doh! :fp:

I think you're right.

JimmyV

brianlux wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Why is lower gas prices considered "winning" when so many lives have been lost and when so many people are emotionally and /or physically crippled just for the sake of saving a few bucks on a tank of gas? And besides- lower gas prices means more driving mean driving global warming faster means killing ourselves and other creatures faster. Good grief, I just don't understand that line of thinking.

I don't want to speak for BinauralJam but I think those last two posts were sarcasm.

Doh! :fp:

I think you're right.

Karmaholic1

brianlux wrote:

Seeing as many of us here are against engaging in war in Syria, it makes sense that you might want to (NOT "should", hedonist ) tell congress (or Parliament or whatever) how you feel. Besides voicing grievances, it would seem to make sense to tell congress how you feel. Write letters, make phone calls, sign petitions (there are plenty of them out there, especially the easy-to-find on-line ones). True, your voice is tiny and these things are not earth moving but lots of tiny voices make some noise and besides, how much effort does it take? Surely no more than it takes to tell me I am so, so wrong, or full of beans or what ever. Not that I mind. The noodle lashings keep me amused.

But seriously, if it matters enough to gripe about, it matters enough to send a simple message.

My thoughts exactly. FIred off emails earlier today to my representatives. Now is the time to be let your voice be heard--voting on Obama's plan will start soon. If we start, how long will it really take to stop? Peace.