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bootlegger10

THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:

More true fans stating their opinions. Go buy a t shirt or better
Yet stand in line for 5 hours for a poster. Just a bunch of spoiled complaining fans.
Do u folks like anything? Comatose, JB, inside job, help help.....your right, they all sound the same, no growth at all.


Brendon obrien wasn't frustrated with their effort. Can you read and understand? You just lied and are clueless.

The first part of the interview I got that feeling and then he finally said he wasn't happy that they took a year break after making the first 6 or so songs. Kinda confirmed my thought. I could be wrong. It is just speculation.

Don't get upset. It is a message board. We can have opinions. There are plenty of us that feel that they have become predictable and there are plenty that don't. It isn't like just one person has these opinions.

Look at this way: There were probably a ton of U2 fans who would have loved All that You Can't Leave Behind right after The Joshua Tree. But U2 took a different path and released Auchtung Baby, Zooropa and Pop. Not as many dug the latter two albums, but there were fans that did (me) and we are happy that U2 took some risks. After the risks they came back to their bread and butter sound and released two great records.

Hope the new album surprises me, that's all! Does anyone want this band to be like the Stones the last thirty years? Is anyone begging for new Rolling Stones music?

THEBIBLEISTEN

I was being sarcastic. But the post on here are just always critical and it's about every little fucking thing.
This isn't a fan board, it's a place to just bitch about songs, artwork, t shirt design, set lists, eds hair, tickets, venues,
Matt Cameron and whatever else people can muster up. Go start ur own website dedicated to bitching about pj. I've had enough. Just my opinion though.

bootlegger10

THEBIBLEISTEN wrote:

I was being sarcastic. But the post on here are just always critical and it's about every little fucking thing.
This isn't a fan board, it's a place to just bitch about songs, artwork, t shirt design, set lists, eds hair, tickets, venues,
Matt Cameron and whatever else people can muster up. Go start ur own website dedicated to bitching about pj. I've had enough. Just my opinion though.

I limit my critiques to the music and touring schedules. At least they are the most important two! I think the site would be extremely boring if there wasn't room for honest debate from true fans (we are all true fans but have different expectations that we are free to discuss).

PJ makes a ton of money selling merchandise. We should be allowed to talk about it because they are more than happy to sell it to us.

THEBIBLEISTEN

I disagree.

dimitrispearljam

and this conversation about true fans,bigger fans is really stupid...
you are a fan of something,or you are not a fan...end of story..
and if you dont like a song or something the band doing,doesnt make you less of a fan...

for me the issue is what people expecting??
pj to save the world??to start a revolution?to feed the people who starving?
to take the money from the rich and give it the poor???

its a rock band..playing music,they are working at music intustry,they are artist,create music,.give shows,selling their music,like every band in the world..
for sure are charismatic,they have their way to express them self,give a different meaning in thing..inspire us as fans as human beings....im a fan,i love them to death.
but the same time,i know ,tomorrow i need to get up at 5:30 am to go to work for get paid and buy some food to have on my table..pj cant help me with that..
inspire me,?makes me feel good?.happy??.put music and words to what i have in my mind?..express my feeling?
yes they can do that..they doing it 22 years now..and really thank them for that..

bootlegger10

A lot of us older PJ fans were also taught very early by Pearl Jam that music is supposed to be serious and impactful. PJ ripped on pop bands, PJ ripped on sponsors, PJ ripped on artists selling their music for commercials, etc.... It was about the music. About the music. So when we start to hear more pop influence in the music and how the record was made very quickly resulting in 30 minutes of music our response is "what?".

I think a lot of the "complaining" is born out of the stands that Pearl Jam took early on. For example, fast forward from "Sponsored by No One" tour in the mid-nineties to playing the Oracle private party in 2012. If fans on this board complain about playing the Oracle show they are labeled as bitching when it is Pearl Jam's views early on that they were very vocal about that made the fans feel the way they did about the importance of the music.

It is like Pearl Jam consistently told you for 15 years that blue is good and red is bad. Then in year 16 they release red and people aren't allowed to complain that they released red.

TheGossman

bootlegger10 wrote:

A lot of us older PJ fans were also taught very early by Pearl Jam that music is supposed to be serious and impactful. PJ ripped on pop bands, PJ ripped on sponsors, PJ ripped on artists selling their music for commercials, etc.... It was about the music. About the music. So when we start to hear more pop influence in the music and how the record was made very quickly resulting in 30 minutes of music our response is "what?".

I think a lot of the "complaining" is born out of the stands that Pearl Jam took early on. For example, fast forward from "Sponsored by No One" tour in the mid-nineties to playing the Oracle private party in 2012. If fans on this board complain about playing the Oracle show they are labeled as bitching when it is Pearl Jam's views early on that they were very vocal about that made the fans feel the way they did about the importance of the music.

It is like Pearl Jam consistently told you for 15 years that blue is good and red is bad. Then in year 16 they release red and people aren't allowed to complain that they released red.

agreed

AzWicker

after 20 years, you are who you are.

dimitrispearljam

bootlegger10 wrote:

A lot of us older PJ fans were also taught very early by Pearl Jam that music is supposed to be serious and impactful. PJ ripped on pop bands, PJ ripped on sponsors, PJ ripped on artists selling their music for commercials, etc.... It was about the music. About the music. So when we start to hear more pop influence in the music and how the record was made very quickly resulting in 30 minutes of music our response is "what?".

I think a lot of the "complaining" is born out of the stands that Pearl Jam took early on. For example, fast forward from "Sponsored by No One" tour in the mid-nineties to playing the Oracle private party in 2012. If fans on this board complain about playing the Oracle show they are labeled as bitching when it is Pearl Jam's views early on that they were very vocal about that made the fans feel the way they did about the importance of the music.

It is like Pearl Jam consistently told you for 15 years that blue is good and red is bad. Then in year 16 they release red and people aren't allowed to complain that they released red.

i really try to understand that...
at 1992--94-98..pj was get paid of what they did..as they do now..
they was selling t-shirt-posters,they sell records..just they do now..i dont see any difference..
they did charity..they still do it today..
its their job..proffecional musicians..red or blue...its their job,and get paid for that..and they deserve it
they was getting paid when they told you that blue is good and red is bad ..and get paid when they say red is good now..
for me matters what YOU thing is good.,.Blue?red...or Green...

and something last...is strange some people think that all things changing around us but expect pj to stay the same like was at 91..

Go Beavers

I'm not in a band, but I play guitar, and what I play tends to fall in a certain type of sound. I would imagine the same would happen when you get five guys together. It's partly why they have solo projects. When the band writes a song, they want it to be a "Pearl Jam" song, as I think every band asks is this a "_______" song? There's a difference between experimental and sounding fresh. Most of the experimental stuff happened in the late 60's with rock music. Right now, if a rock band attempts to be experimental, they probably wont fall into the rock genre anymore. Solo artists tend to cross genres more often e.g. Neil Young and Ben Harper, but they still sound like Neil and Ben. Artists tend to have a consistency in their work, whatever the medium. For me, PJ always sounds relevant and the new stuff is exciting to hear.

bootlegger10

Go Beavers wrote:

I'm not in a band, but I play guitar, and what I play tends to fall in a certain type of sound. I would imagine the same would happen when you get five guys together. It's partly why they have solo projects. When the band writes a song, they want it to be a "Pearl Jam" song, as I think every band asks is this a "_______" song? There's a difference between experimental and sounding fresh. Most of the experimental stuff happened in the late 60's with rock music. Right now, if a rock band attempts to be experimental, they probably wont fall into the rock genre anymore. Solo artists tend to cross genres more often e.g. Neil Young and Ben Harper, but they still sound like Neil and Ben. Artists tend to have a consistency in their work, whatever the medium. For me, PJ always sounds relevant and the new stuff is exciting to hear.

Very true. Probably why Springsteen can do what he does too since he writes all the songs. His fusion of rock and folks music was awesome on the latest record.

papa_pearls_jam.pj20

CTD10 wrote:

It sounds like Mind Your Manners is just a combination of PJ songs already written before. They've become a horribly predictable band.

But my biggest complaint is that they're stuck... They're doing something wrong, they're not interesting anymore, and it's sad to me.

It's as if Pearl Jam either don't know how to experiment anymore, or they don't want to experiment anymore.

:fp:
In my opinion, probably the most illogical post I've ever read (cut out the bullshit to concentrate on the most ridiculous highlights).

Suppose everyone who's a 10 Club member thought the same way...irrelevant. The most gifted musician in the entire world could believe and say the same thing, and it wouldn't matter. So, anyone whose musical abilities are even in the same ballpark (Wrigley Field) as the likes of Edward Louis Severson III, Stoney Gossard, Jeff Ament, Mike McFuckin'Cready, or Matt Cameron, don't have shit to opine on how they make their music.

Yeah, it's a fan club forum and we can all share our opinions. Share, share, share. There's a fly on the wall of the bathroom at Pearl Jam's rehearsal studio whose opinion holds more water.

dimitrispearljam

papa_pearls_jam.pj20 wrote:

There's a fly on the wall of the bathroom at Pearl Jam's rehearsal studio whose opinion holds more water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BWJOETwIGc

ItIsAllAboutPJ

dimitrispearljam wrote:

and this conversation about true fans,bigger fans is really stupid...
you are a fan of something,or you are not a fan...end of story..
and if you dont like a song or something the band doing,doesnt make you less of a fan...

for me the issue is what people expecting??
pj to save the world??to start a revolution?to feed the people who starving?
to take the money from the rich and give it the poor???

its a rock band..playing music,they are working at music intustry,they are artist,create music,.give shows,selling their music,like every band in the world..
for sure are charismatic,they have their way to express them self,give a different meaning in thing..inspire us as fans as human beings....im a fan,i love them to death.
but the same time,i know ,tomorrow i need to get up at 5:30 am to go to work for get paid and buy some food to have on my table..pj cant help me with that..
inspire me,?makes me feel good?.happy??.put music and words to what i have in my mind?..express my feeling?
yes they can do that..they doing it 22 years now..and really thank them for that..

Very well said, Dimi!
I listen to PJ because they make me feel good and continue to for over 20 years.

slightofjeff

I love much about the so-called "experimental" albums, but there's only so far you can go with this type of stuff before it becomes annoying.

Do we need another accordion tune, a la "Bugs?"
Another spoken word tune, a la "Bushleaguer" or "I'm Open?"
Another uke tune?

I'm at the point in my life, I just want to listen to an album of songs, man. I don't need a bunch of pseudo avante guard sound experiments mucking up my records.

As far as the music goes ... on Backspacer alone: Johnny Guitar sounds like nothing else on a PJ album (it's not a great song, IMO, but it's different). Speed of Sound the same. Though there are other acoustic ballads in the PJ canon, "Just Breathe" and "The End" sound different that anything on other albums.

On Self-Titled: Unemployable feels like a new musical direction. So does Army Reserve. So does Parachutes. So does Inside Job.

So if the criticism is that Pearl Jam doesn't push the musical envelope anymore, I can't agree with that. If the critcism is, "their punk inspired tunes all sound vaguely similar" ... well, guess what, all punk music sounds vaguely similar. That's kind of the point of it.

slightofjeff

bootlegger10 wrote:

A lot of us older PJ fans were also taught very early by Pearl Jam that music is supposed to be serious and impactful. PJ ripped on pop bands, PJ ripped on sponsors, PJ ripped on artists selling their music for commercials, etc.... It was about the music. About the music. So when we start to hear more pop influence in the music and how the record was made very quickly resulting in 30 minutes of music our response is "what?".

If you think Mind Your Manners has any sort of "pop influence" whatsoever, I don't think you're really aware of what actual pop music sounds like nowadays.

Abe Froman

=- Pearl Jam have gone through zero evolution ever since 2002... This song just sounds like they combined Worldwide Suicide with Ole with Spin the Black Circle with Comatose... etc... It sounds like Mind Your Manners is just a combination of PJ songs already written before. They've become a horribly predictable band.

As a longtime - and old - hardcore PJ fan, it's sad to me to admit they just aren't interesting anymore. They have intensity, but their creativity is zero.

It's not just that Pearl Jam are repeating themselves and have become predictable - it's also that their musicianship hasn't even really improved.

It's as if Pearl Jam either don't know how to experiment anymore, or they don't want to experiment anymore.

just read this......any one else feel this way?

Wow. These are some pretty ridiculous statements IMO. I think they continue to push their creativity and are anything but predictable. Somehow after 22 years I think I'm more of a fan than ever (and I listen to a LOT of other music/bands). Sometimes I think people 1) expect way too much from them. Most often probably something unattainable and 2) want them to be like the PJ of the early to mid 90's which they're never gonna be again. Which by the way shows how they DO continue to evolve and create new and interesting material.

Anyway, I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I for one love the current PJ just as much as I loved the 1995 PJ. Maybe it's because I'm in a similar place as them in life? Or that I've just grown along with them? Or maybe because I love punk and punk inspired PJ? I don't know but I'm happy they still put out kick ass things like the Mind Your Manners video and can't wait to hear the rest of Lightning Bolt!

Abe Froman

slightofjeff wrote:

I love much about the so-called "experimental" albums, but there's only so far you can go with this type of stuff before it becomes annoying.

Do we need another accordion tune, a la "Bugs?"
Another spoken word tune, a la "Bushleaguer" or "I'm Open?"
Another uke tune?

I'm at the point in my life, I just want to listen to an album of songs, man. I don't need a bunch of pseudo avante guard sound experiments mucking up my records.

As far as the music goes ... on Backspacer alone: Johnny Guitar sounds like nothing else on a PJ album (it's not a great song, IMO, but it's different). Speed of Sound the same. Though there are other acoustic ballads in the PJ canon, "Just Breathe" and "The End" sound different that anything on other albums.

On Self-Titled: Unemployable feels like a new musical direction. So does Army Reserve. So does Parachutes. So does Inside Job.

So if the criticism is that Pearl Jam doesn't push the musical envelope anymore, I can't agree with that. If the critcism is, "their punk inspired tunes all sound vaguely similar" ... well, guess what, all punk music sounds vaguely similar. That's kind of the point of it.

Good post. I agree with all of this.(well I do still kinda like my avante guard shit sometimes though :geek: )

PureandEasy

dimitrispearljam wrote:

some people talk like they voted pj for president to save the world and they let them down with their economy and health care program..

its a Rock Band...and a pretty good one.the best on the planet for me...and thats all....

Seriously, it's music, entertainment, not a topic to debate, it's to be enjoyed, not dissected.

bootlegger10

slightofjeff wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

A lot of us older PJ fans were also taught very early by Pearl Jam that music is supposed to be serious and impactful. PJ ripped on pop bands, PJ ripped on sponsors, PJ ripped on artists selling their music for commercials, etc.... It was about the music. About the music. So when we start to hear more pop influence in the music and how the record was made very quickly resulting in 30 minutes of music our response is "what?".

If you think Mind Your Manners has any sort of "pop influence" whatsoever, I don't think you're really aware of what actual pop music sounds like nowadays.

I like MYM a lot. Did I say every song has a pop influence? Nope. That doesn't mean the songs are great.

This is a pre-Lightning Bolt discussion. Let's see what they come up with. I'm not thrilled with Lightning Bolt (at least comes with a guitar solo) and Future Days, but MYM is great.