Sunni vs. Shi'ite

MotoDC

fuck wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

It feels like you guys are having a three way argument between two people. Looking back at the original quote from fuck's earlier response, it seems like he/she is combining Jason P's and Cosmo's opinion into one? e.g., it was Jason that said "what are religious/islamic leaders asking, 'what the fuck is going on with these bombings?' " (horrible paraphrase, but you get the picture)

I don't think the third party is involved for this reason: Jason P wrote that there should be islamic/religious leaders asking that question. I think that's a fairly reasonable statement, or at least one not deserving ridicule, since it's written as a suggestion and because it is understandable that people in the U.S. would not really be aware of the conversations going on in the Islamic world. I think Cosmo's response that "there should be, but there aren't any" is far more problematic, because it assumes the more active position that there actually isn't anyone standing up and asking this question; in other words, it's a sentence written as if it is from a position of knowledge, where the writer can truly make that claim. I argued that Cosmo shouldn't make a reckless statement like that, given that it's simply not true, and I then made the claim that he probably just made that statement to give him a jumping off point to get into an anti-religion rant. He assumed I wanted to actually debate the content of his rant, and kept trying to goad me into it, but I had no desire to and simply wanted him to retract his earlier claim (so far, he's not even acknowledged it).

Ah, yes, I missed Cosmo's affirmation of the implications in Jason's question. Then when cosmo never addressed your inquiries into his statement, I assumed cosmo didn't actually hold the opinion. Anyhow, carry on.

Cosmo

fuck wrote:

I think Cosmo's response that "there should be, but there aren't any" is far more problematic, because it assumes the more active position that there actually isn't anyone standing up and asking this question; in other words, it's a sentence written as if it is from a position of knowledge, where the writer can truly make that claim. I argued that Cosmo shouldn't make a reckless statement like that, given that it's simply not true, and I then made the claim that he probably just made that statement to give him a jumping off point to get into an anti-religion rant. He assumed I wanted to actually debate the content of his rant, and kept trying to goad me into it, but I had no desire to and simply wanted him to retract his earlier claim (so far, he's not even acknowledged it).

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All right already... Jesus Christ.
If they are 'leaders' speaking out to end the sectarian violence over there, they aren't being very effective because these fucking bombs keep blowing up shit.
If there are people... who are they and what is their standing in the community... or, specifically... where the fuck are they?