racism row
guypjfreak
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ive just seen opera saying about how a shop assistant wouldnt sell her a bag cos she was black [coloured]and then a lady on the BBC news saying the same about how she walks into a shop and the security guard looks at her different and that it makes her and people like her [coloured] feel discriminated and it got me thinking ..
now i have black [coloured] friends and they are top of the range BUT when ever I go into a shop over here the security guards are coloured if i got into town the bouncers are coloured if i got to festivals the security are coloured and mostly in citys the youngsters are coloured ...[ ALL OF THESE ARE MOSTLY ok ] but heres the thing
A ..why is this so i mean are coloured people more scary ........not really
B..when i go to festis the security can and has been well over the top ie menacing in your face and at times dam right violent WHY
C.. nearly ever shop security guard over here [ dont know about over the pond ] is coloured
my point being are we white [uncoloured] people
A ..not good enough to do these jobs cos were not intimidating enough
B ..are we in turn not being discriminated against ....cos i for one do feel intimidated when a coloured security/bouncer is checking me out when walking around a shop or at festivals ..
im not being racist just looking at it from a different stand point .....
now i have black [coloured] friends and they are top of the range BUT when ever I go into a shop over here the security guards are coloured if i got into town the bouncers are coloured if i got to festivals the security are coloured and mostly in citys the youngsters are coloured ...[ ALL OF THESE ARE MOSTLY ok ] but heres the thing
A ..why is this so i mean are coloured people more scary ........not really
B..when i go to festis the security can and has been well over the top ie menacing in your face and at times dam right violent WHY
C.. nearly ever shop security guard over here [ dont know about over the pond ] is coloured
my point being are we white [uncoloured] people
A ..not good enough to do these jobs cos were not intimidating enough
B ..are we in turn not being discriminated against ....cos i for one do feel intimidated when a coloured security/bouncer is checking me out when walking around a shop or at festivals ..
im not being racist just looking at it from a different stand point .....
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But, yes. Stupid and ignorant people tend to be more racist. I can't tell if you are or not b/c I can't understand a thing you said.
Was that your question?
I was thinking the same thing. People find the "u" really offensive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qk3dESfyfg
forward to 1:49
the opera?
I am STILL laughing!
and SatansFuton wot do YOU call a black man over we dont call them black we say coloured which in my deepest Dorset way seems more respectful
Regarding the actual terminology, it's all so manufactured and arbitrary. Once it was negroes, then it was colored people, then it was african-americans, then it was blacks. Blacks and african-americans are the accepted terms now (in the US), though like anything, context is important. It's certainly not something to get all worked up about. Frankly, now that I think about it more, although no one would get offended by "african-american", alot of people would look at you funny.
Unfortunate that we have to bucket people in any case, but it's just human nature (evolution, baby) to categorize (people, things, concepts, whatever) in order to be able to get through a day and make any kind of decision in this complex world.
they are even trying to change the word nigger in the film THE DAM BUSTERS [true].......I think its hard to get across wot one is trying to say in a text where as if we were talking over a pint then some misunderstandings wouldn't occur .
also over here its not Africa but Jamaica where most black people like to hail from even if they were born down the road in the local hospital ...
Not trying to be an asshole, but try using some capitalization and correct punctuation. That will make it easier to read and understand your future posts.
1) In a way you're illustrating what I meant by arbitrary -- once it wasn't offensive, now it is. I'm not saying we shouldn't respect another person's claim to self-respect and go out of our way to insult/offend, but we should keep ourselves intellectually grounded here in what's a real vs imagined slight.
2) Your example also highlights what I meant about the invective being applied. I could go up to that same group and refer to them as "blacks" in such a way as to offend as well.
3) This is quickly turning semantic, but to me "slur" is something used to insult. Intended as such. "Colored", denotatively, is a physical description (however backward and anachronistic it may sound). Nigg** is not in any way a "meaningful" description. It's nothing but negative and carries the full weight of the racism that spawned it. What I will grant you on this point is that, since "colored" is a physical description, it could be argued to carry the implication that one could characterize a person based at least partially on that alone. Clearly not something we should be striving for in modern society.
2) You could go up to any group of people and say pretty much ANYTHING in the right tone of voice and offend them. I don't really find that relevant here.
3) I don't think it's semantic AT ALL. Calling black people "coloureds" is completely racist and insulting. Just looked up the history of the N-word:
Nigger is a noun in the English language. The word originated as a neutral term referring to black people, as a variation of the Spanish/Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective niger ("color black").[1] Often used slightingly, by the mid 20th century, particularly in the United States, it suggested that its target is extremely unsophisticated. Its usage had become unambiguously pejorative, a common ethnic slur usually directed at blacks of Sub-Saharan African descent.
..... So I guess Nigg** is also okay (no), since you could actually pretty much place the exact same paragraph to "coloured" minus the Latin connection.
nowadays hits you when you're young
2) Haha, no, you really couldn't, not in any reasonable sense. Try it with "bubble gum" or "leotards". Good luck not giggling.
3) My #3 was a discussion of the difference in understanding of the meaning of "slur". Therefore semantic. "Slur" implies intent on behalf of the speaker, in my opinion, or at a minimum that's a consideration in the determination of whether something was a slur. The mere choice of someone to be offended by something is not in and of itself enough to make that something a "slur" or inherently offensive.