His picture was all over the newspapers and t.v and internet news media too. Where was all your outrage over that?
There has been, but it was more around the Newtown kid. CNN's round-the-clock coverage, interviewing people who knew him; they were acting as his biographer. Then you have Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil setting up shop and broadcasting shows from the town like it's the Super Bowl.
Up until this point I had way more issue with how the manhunt was handled than how the brothers were covered. For me this is still small peanuts compared to the tragedy porn that mass shootings have turned into. Just one more log on the fire.
Maybe I was hallucinating, but every copy of the magazine I've read over the past 10 or so years has featured a section relating to politics and/or current affairs. Therefore, the piece on the Boston bombings doesn't seem to be out of the ordinary.
This is true, but how many of the people who are complaining actually read Rolling Stone regularly? Most people aren't reading these periodicals, so I suspect they have preconceived notions about their content based on years of seeing their covers at checkout lines, newsstands, etc. There is/would be less furor about this picture in the New York Times or hypothetically appearing on Time because of those preconceived notions. Consider who was on the cover of Rolling Stone the issues leading up to this one:
Johnny Depp
Danny McBride/Seth Rogen/James Franco/Jonah Hill
Daft Punk
Rolling Stones
Bruno Mars
Louis C.K.
Jon Hamm
Mumford & Sons
Billie Joe Armstrong
Lena Dunham
While they have done some outstanding investigative reporting the last several years, they are seen as a pop culture magazine. And most of that is their own doing because they choose their covers. There are substantially more people who just see the cover of the magazine than actually pick it up and read it.
My point here is not to debate right, wrong, etc. about their decision go go with the cover they did. Just trying to explain why I think people are reacting how they are without leaping right to "the masses are asses."
If Eddie Vedder liked Rolling Stone magazine.. would you like it too?
i honestly feel this is so much the case with a lot of things ed likes & dislikes as well as many other rockers. frig that noise, have a brain & choose your own way.
if ed only did not ripe his ass with the magazine at a venue fulla people but rather praised the magazine, 14,000 fans woulda instantly bought a copy with many thousands to follow suit
I say with honesty (and perhaps a bit of indignance) that Mr. Vedder's yay or nay on most anything, nor the yays or nays of any other musician, celebrity, dipshit in the public eye, etc., have directly dictated my personal stance.
One can think little of Rolling Stone - or any publication - and not be a puppet.
The cover should have been his mug shot or something. They did make him look like a Rock Star on the cover. I THINK that's some kind of ironic point they are trying to make but like I said earlier it failed.
I still think the outrage is a little thick. I mean do you all remember the Mag covers after 9/11?
10/31/2000 (****)
6/7/2003 (***1/2)
7/9/2006 (****1/2)
7/13/2006 (**** )
4/10/2008 EV Solo (****1/2)
6/25/2008 MSG II (*****)
10/1/2009 LA II (****)
10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)
If Rolling Stone's point with this cover was to make people uncomfortable with their idea of what a terrorist should look like... is it really worth putting people who were so recently victimized by this terror through this discomfort? While we should try to get into the mind of the bomber, I'm sure that can be done without promoting a glamorous pop star image on the cover of a magazine where 99% of the time a pop star is what you see, particularly in the past 10-15 years, starting when Rolling Stone began to promote pop acts such as the Backstreet Boys that have no artistic integrity. Maybe the article is useful journalism, but the cover suggests they are more concerned with grabbing the potential reader with a sexually alluring image - he looks like Jim Morrison in that picture for fuck's sake. You can say it's a brilliant attack on popular sensibilities of what a terrorist should look like... but why not consider the senses of the victims of the terrorist attack? Are we saying that people shouldn't be sensitive to the victims? Does journalistic shock value trump all sensitivities? I say fuck no. That kind of journalism is worth absolutely nothing to me.
the manson issue is wildly different. No one looks at the Boston bomber as a hero. In 1969 Manson was viewed as a hero by the counterculture. I believe that very RS issue has the quote from Jerry Rubin about Manson being "our cherubic face". Joni Mitchell wrote a song in favor of him. Neil young sent him a motorcycle and even wrote from mansons perspective in Revolution Blues. Around that time you had the Weathermen bubbling up and SDS's ranks breaking. With a "lets do the same old protest" and then "lets cause the revolution" being warring factions in the antiwar movement. One of the more famous was a SDS ballroom convention with huge posters on the wall with bullets attached to the names of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan and Tate. Speeches were given where where hand signals representing forks and knives and statements like "they killed them with forks and knives, dig it" were made.
Clearly RS isnt advocating this. And clearly youth culture doesnt view the Boston Bomber in the way our parents generation viewed Manson. The guy isnt viewed as a symbol for a youth culture.
Yeah RS is profiting off the tragedy, but so did Newsweek, Time, the nightly news, Fox, CNN, ABC, etc... You dont have to put that guy on the cover to profit off and exploit the tragedy. RS is a scapegoat for the larger media apparatus and for society at large. We are obsessed with violence, crime, war and death.
We should treat all media outlets the same. They all are peddlers of garbage. They dont care about the victims or the tragedies. They care about ratings. Doing something about this cover photo does nothing to address the larger issues and topics at play here
If Rolling Stone's point with this cover was to make people uncomfortable with their idea of what a terrorist should look like... is it really worth putting people who were so recently victimized by this terror through this discomfort? While we should try to get into the mind of the bomber, I'm sure that can be done without promoting a glamorous pop star image on the cover of a magazine where 99% of the time a pop star is what you see, particularly in the past 10-15 years, starting when Rolling Stone began to promote pop acts such as the Backstreet Boys that have no artistic integrity. Maybe the article is useful journalism, but the cover suggests they are more concerned with grabbing the potential reader with a sexually alluring image - he looks like Jim Morrison in that picture for fuck's sake. You can say it's a brilliant attack on popular sensibilities of what a terrorist should look like... but why not consider the senses of the victims of the terrorist attack? Are we saying that people shouldn't be sensitive to the victims? Does journalistic shock value trump all sensitivities? I say fuck no. That kind of journalism is worth absolutely nothing to me.
All that may be true, and it probably is, but im not sure how this differs from the nightly news, or ABC, or Fox, or the Washington Post, or Time. They all do this. Its all about image, selling issues and copies, its all about ads and revenue. All about dressing up violence.
In a way our society does view killers and murderers and violence as pop or as mere images to prop up ratings. And in many ways it only leads to heightened anxiety. You know that nice couple who are muslim and have turbans and burkas, well THEY have to be planning something. They have to hate america. And that guy over there he has to be evil because the media tells us most people are and crime and robbery is increasing. It taps into the anxiety of the times. People are already on edge. Makes sense that if all you see on tv, or read about, is about death and violence, that you'd fear your neighbors
A police officer who was there the night Dzhokar Tsarnaev was captured has decided to counter the "normalcy" of Rolling Stone's contorversial cover by releasing photos showing the bomber how many would apparently prefer to see him: bloody, covered in dirt, with the red circle of a laser target trained on his forehead. "This guy is evil," Sean Murphy, a tactical officer for the Massachusetts State Police told Boston magazine. "This is the real Boston bomber. Not someone fluffed and buffed for the cover of Rolling Stone magazine."
Many, including myself, are not necessarily outraged as much as we are shaking our heads at the RS's tactic for selling their magazine. We expect Time and Macleans's to do pieces such as this, but to me... given the genre the RS dedicates itself to... this is no different than Sports Illustrated doing the story.
If people wish to shake their head at RS's obvious and cheap attempt at generating a buzz for themselves... then they are free to do it and not really out of line. Take shots at them all you want, but to argue that the RS covering the Boston Murderer is not a reach for the magazine would be weak. Should we expect a Ariel Castro cover next month? Even though it was still not really the material they typically cover, Charles Manson at least hung out with the Beach Boys, drew a vision from the White Album and recorded music. It wasn't as much a stretch as a punk bomber that needs to be erased from the earth- not glorified.
Maybe I was hallucinating, but every copy of the magazine I've read over the past 10 or so years has featured a section relating to politics and/or current affairs. Therefore, the piece on the Boston bombings doesn't seem to be out of the ordinary.
RS started out as a political magazine, a voice for the counterculture. They've obviously gone through various incarnations and revamps. The 90's were a new era and they changed. Same for the 2000's. But yeah the political aspect of the magazine has always been there. Matt Taibbi. They always do, or used to do pretty interesting article on the culture and drugs and war and all that stuff, even as recently as a decade or so ago. I remember reading some interesting articles in there about school shootings. Jann Wenner and company started RS as a voice of the counterculture. its always been left wing. I think their articles have always been unfairly overlooked. Some interesting stuff in there
and the manson thing was, RS and the hippie culture blatantly viewed Manson, at least initially as a hero. So in that respect, I think RS put Manson on the cover as a tribute. Interestingly though the Joni Mitchell demand to free him from prison and Neil's motorcylcle gift to manson happened YEARS later. mid 70's.
The Boston bomber I dont think is viewed by RS editors or the culture at large as anything remotely resembling a hero.
The cover should have been his mug shot or something. They did make him look like a Rock Star on the cover. I THINK that's some kind of ironic point they are trying to make but like I said earlier it failed.
You make it sound like they got him in for a photo-shoot. The picture they used was his Twitter profile picture.
The uproar over this cover is absurd. His photo has appeared on hundreds of newspapers across the country. Time ran smiling school photos of the Columbine killers and nary a whine was heard, not to mention a cover shot of the killing spree. Most people are only upset about it because they were told they should be or because they have a perception of what Rolling Stone should be.
Beyond that, the story is a portrait of a killer and it's certainly worth trying to understand those who are committing these heinous crimes. It's clearly not glorifying a kid they call "a monster."
This reaction is why our political system is broken: "You view the world differently than me, so you're stupid." If you don't like the image or the story, don't buy the magazine. Don't buy it ever again if you feel that way. But don't pass judgment on what Rolling Stone has the right to publish simply because you think it's in bad taste.
The uproar over this cover is absurd. His photo has appeared on hundreds of newspapers across the country. Time ran smiling school photos of the Columbine killers and nary a whine was heard, not to mention a cover shot of the killing spree. Most people are only upset about it because they were told they should be or because they have a perception of what Rolling Stone should be.
Beyond that, the story is a portrait of a killer and it's certainly worth trying to understand those who are committing these heinous crimes. It's clearly not glorifying a kid they call "a monster."
This reaction is why our political system is broken: "You view the world differently than me, so you're stupid." If you don't like the image or the story, don't buy the magazine. Don't buy it ever again if you feel that way. But don't pass judgment on what Rolling Stone has the right to publish simply because you think it's in bad taste.
Agree 100 percent. And thats the whole point. The same people who are outraged over the cover, will be the same people who buy Time the next time some great tragedy happens, or they will watch an hour of nightly news where every story covered is about how violent the world is. We are all to blame for it. Its a symptom of living in society. Or a reality.
To me, we have WAY more important things to debate and actually get down and dirty and deal with, than some magazine cover. We spend so much energy on these things, things that really dont matter. You actually realize their was a commision that Hillary and Gore sat on for years that tried to ban nudity and violence in video games and music videos? I mean, really? Thats effective use of time?
This link is the real photo they should have had on the cover. It's not too graphic, at least in comparison of what he did and we saw, but I'll leave it up to you to follow the link.
25 year vet of the police force will probably lose his job for leaking this.
“As a professional law-enforcement officer of 25 years, I believe that the image that was portrayed by Rolling Stone magazine was an insult to any person who has every worn a uniform of any color or any police organization or military branch, and the family members who have ever lost a loved one serving in the line of duty. The truth is that glamorizing the face of terror is not just insulting to the family members of those killed in the line of duty, it also could be an incentive to those who may be unstable to do something to get their face on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.
“I hope that the people who see these images will know that this was real. It was as real as it gets. This may have played out as a television show, but this was not a television show. Officer Dick Donohue almost gave his life. Officer Sean Collier did give his life. These were real people, with real lives, with real families. And to have this cover dropped into Boston was hurtful to their memories and their families. I know from first-hand conversations that this Rolling Stone cover has kept many of them up—again. It’s irritated the wounds that will never heal—again. There is nothing glamorous in bringing more pain to a grieving family.
“Photography is very simple, it’s very basic. It brings us back to the cave. An image like this on the cover of Rolling Stone, we see it instantly as being wrong. What Rolling Stone did was wrong. This guy is evil. This is the real Boston bomber. Not someone fluffed and buffed for the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.”
I don't hear many people saying that Rolling Stone shouldn't be allowed to use the image for their cover. I'm certainly not saying that. So it's not a censorship issue. It's a taste issue. It's a respect issue. If you were a RS editor, would you decide you use this image of the bomber if family of those were who killed or if the victims who've had their legs blown off were there in the room with you? I strongly doubt it.
Here's an updated list of retailers who have decided not to sell this issue of Rolling Stone:
CVS
Walgreens
BJ's
Roche Bros Supermarkets
Stop & Shop
Rite Aid
Tedeschi
Cumberland Farms
Shaw's Star Market
Wal-Mart (we really need verification on this, is this ONLY in Boston?)
Hannaford
Kmart
Big Y
Whole Foods (MA only unless you guys know otherwise)
Giant Foods
Hy-Vee
Market Basket
7-Eleven (company operated stores, they are urging franchisees to do the same)
Target (Greater Boston Area only)
Wegmans
H-E-B
Marc's Grocery (OH)
Coburns (MN)
A Fresh Market (Western States)
UMASS Dartmouth Campus store
Harris Teeter
United/Market Street/Amigo Supermarkets
Lowe’s Foods
Schoolkids Records-Raleigh, NC
Raley’s Grocery –CA
King Kullen-NY
Kum & Go- IA
Lori’s Gifts (in over 300 hospitals nationwide)
Dave’s Marketplace
Boston College
Honey Farms
Bud’s Shop ‘n Save
Giant Eagle-PA
Dave’s Marketplace
Rouse’s
Rutters Convenience Stores-PA
Michael’s Creative Bakery @Center News Café
Crimson Corner
Out of Town News-Harvard Square
the manson issue is wildly different. No one looks at the Boston bomber as a hero. In 1969 Manson was viewed as a hero by the counterculture. I believe that very RS issue has the quote from Jerry Rubin about Manson being "our cherubic face". Joni Mitchell wrote a song in favor of him. Neil young sent him a motorcycle and even wrote from mansons perspective in Revolution Blues. Around that time you had the Weathermen bubbling up and SDS's ranks breaking. With a "lets do the same old protest" and then "lets cause the revolution" being warring factions in the antiwar movement. One of the more famous was a SDS ballroom convention with huge posters on the wall with bullets attached to the names of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan and Tate. Speeches were given where where hand signals representing forks and knives and statements like "they killed them with forks and knives, dig it" were made.
Clearly RS isnt advocating this. And clearly youth culture doesnt view the Boston Bomber in the way our parents generation viewed Manson. The guy isnt viewed as a symbol for a youth culture.
Yeah RS is profiting off the tragedy, but so did Newsweek, Time, the nightly news, Fox, CNN, ABC, etc... You dont have to put that guy on the cover to profit off and exploit the tragedy. RS is a scapegoat for the larger media apparatus and for society at large. We are obsessed with violence, crime, war and death.
We should treat all media outlets the same. They all are peddlers of garbage. They dont care about the victims or the tragedies. They care about ratings. Doing something about this cover photo does nothing to address the larger issues and topics at play here
The media is run by the hippie generation....it's strange how they turned into the same people they hated and wanted to blow up.
Their also running this country....into the ground
Weathermen... Their goal was to create a clandestine revolutionary party for the overthrow of the US government.
Cover of The Rolling Stone
by Dr. Hook
Well, we're big rock singers
We got golden fingers
and we're loved everywhere we go
(That sounds like us)
We sing about beauty
and we sing about truth
at ten-thousand dollars a show (Right)
We take all kinds of pills
that give us all kind of thrills
but the thrill we'll never know
Is the thrill that'll getcha
when you get your picture
on the cover of the Rollin Stone
(Rollin' Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (Yes) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(That's a very, very good idea)
I got a freaky ole lady
name a cocaine Katy
who embroideries on my jeans
I got my poor ole grey haired daddy
drivin' my limousine
Now it's all designed to blow our minds
but our minds won't really be blown
Like the blow that'll getcha
when you get your picture
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(Rollin' stone)
Wanna see our pictures on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for our mothers (Yeah) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
Hey (Sure enough)
I know how, rock and roll
Ah, that's beautiful
We got a lot of little teenage
blue eyed groupies who do anything we say
We got a genuine Indian Guru
who's teaching us a better way
We got all the friends that money can buy
so we never have to be alone (No)
And we keep getting richer
but we can't get our picture
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(Rollin' Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (I want one) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
On the cover of the Rollin'… (Stone (And us))
Wanna see my picture on the cover
(I don't know why we ain't on the cover, baby)
(Stone) Wanna buy five copies for my mother
(We're beautiful fellows) (Stone)
Wanna see my smilin' face
On the cover of the Rollin Stone
(spoken)
I ain't kiddin' ya
we would make a beautiful cover
Fresh shot, right up front man
I can see it now, we'd be on the front, smilin' man Aah, beautiful
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
the manson issue is wildly different. No one looks at the Boston bomber as a hero. In 1969 Manson was viewed as a hero by the counterculture. I believe that very RS issue has the quote from Jerry Rubin about Manson being "our cherubic face". Joni Mitchell wrote a song in favor of him. Neil young sent him a motorcycle and even wrote from mansons perspective in Revolution Blues. Around that time you had the Weathermen bubbling up and SDS's ranks breaking. With a "lets do the same old protest" and then "lets cause the revolution" being warring factions in the antiwar movement. One of the more famous was a SDS ballroom convention with huge posters on the wall with bullets attached to the names of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan and Tate. Speeches were given where where hand signals representing forks and knives and statements like "they killed them with forks and knives, dig it" were made.
Clearly RS isnt advocating this. And clearly youth culture doesnt view the Boston Bomber in the way our parents generation viewed Manson. The guy isnt viewed as a symbol for a youth culture.
Yeah RS is profiting off the tragedy, but so did Newsweek, Time, the nightly news, Fox, CNN, ABC, etc... You dont have to put that guy on the cover to profit off and exploit the tragedy. RS is a scapegoat for the larger media apparatus and for society at large. We are obsessed with violence, crime, war and death.
We should treat all media outlets the same. They all are peddlers of garbage. They dont care about the victims or the tragedies. They care about ratings. Doing something about this cover photo does nothing to address the larger issues and topics at play here
The media is run by the hippie generation....it's strange how they turned into the same people they hated and wanted to blow up.
Their also running this country....into the ground
Weathermen... Their goal was to create a clandestine revolutionary party for the overthrow of the US government.
Cover of The Rolling Stone
by Dr. Hook
Well, we're big rock singers
We got golden fingers
and we're loved everywhere we go
(That sounds like us)
We sing about beauty
and we sing about truth
at ten-thousand dollars a show (Right)
We take all kinds of pills
that give us all kind of thrills
but the thrill we'll never know
Is the thrill that'll getcha
when you get your picture
on the cover of the Rollin Stone
(Rollin' Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (Yes) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(That's a very, very good idea)
I got a freaky ole lady
name a cocaine Katy
who embroideries on my jeans
I got my poor ole grey haired daddy
drivin' my limousine
Now it's all designed to blow our minds
but our minds won't really be blown
Like the blow that'll getcha
when you get your picture
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(Rollin' stone)
Wanna see our pictures on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for our mothers (Yeah) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
Hey (Sure enough)
I know how, rock and roll
Ah, that's beautiful
We got a lot of little teenage
blue eyed groupies who do anything we say
We got a genuine Indian Guru
who's teaching us a better way
We got all the friends that money can buy
so we never have to be alone (No)
And we keep getting richer
but we can't get our picture
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(Rollin' Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (I want one) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
On the cover of the Rollin'… (Stone (And us))
Wanna see my picture on the cover
(I don't know why we ain't on the cover, baby)
(Stone) Wanna buy five copies for my mother
(We're beautiful fellows) (Stone)
Wanna see my smilin' face
On the cover of the Rollin Stone
(spoken)
I ain't kiddin' ya
we would make a beautiful cover
Fresh shot, right up front man
I can see it now, we'd be on the front, smilin' man Aah, beautiful
Couldnt agree more. Such a relief to hear someone say this. My parents and I get in fights because I say the same thing. The whole hippie generation was about changing things. Im as radical as the weathermen and the black panthers and all that stuff. And my parents generation, those in charge, those running things, are all about as middle of the road and non radical as one could get.
its funny my parents dont see the parrallels. The whole hippie generation railed against our grandparents for supporting vietnam and for living ridiculous lives. And now, we are in their place and discussing the same issues.
the manson issue is wildly different. No one looks at the Boston bomber as a hero. In 1969 Manson was viewed as a hero by the counterculture. I believe that very RS issue has the quote from Jerry Rubin about Manson being "our cherubic face". Joni Mitchell wrote a song in favor of him. Neil young sent him a motorcycle and even wrote from mansons perspective in Revolution Blues. Around that time you had the Weathermen bubbling up and SDS's ranks breaking. With a "lets do the same old protest" and then "lets cause the revolution" being warring factions in the antiwar movement. One of the more famous was a SDS ballroom convention with huge posters on the wall with bullets attached to the names of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan and Tate. Speeches were given where where hand signals representing forks and knives and statements like "they killed them with forks and knives, dig it" were made.
Clearly RS isnt advocating this. And clearly youth culture doesnt view the Boston Bomber in the way our parents generation viewed Manson. The guy isnt viewed as a symbol for a youth culture.
Yeah RS is profiting off the tragedy, but so did Newsweek, Time, the nightly news, Fox, CNN, ABC, etc... You dont have to put that guy on the cover to profit off and exploit the tragedy. RS is a scapegoat for the larger media apparatus and for society at large. We are obsessed with violence, crime, war and death.
We should treat all media outlets the same. They all are peddlers of garbage. They dont care about the victims or the tragedies. They care about ratings. Doing something about this cover photo does nothing to address the larger issues and topics at play here
The media is run by the hippie generation....it's strange how they turned into the same people they hated and wanted to blow up.
Their also running this country....into the ground
Weathermen... Their goal was to create a clandestine revolutionary party for the overthrow of the US government.
Cover of The Rolling Stone
by Dr. Hook
Well, we're big rock singers
We got golden fingers
and we're loved everywhere we go
(That sounds like us)
We sing about beauty
and we sing about truth
at ten-thousand dollars a show (Right)
We take all kinds of pills
that give us all kind of thrills
but the thrill we'll never know
Is the thrill that'll getcha
when you get your picture
on the cover of the Rollin Stone
(Rollin' Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (Yes) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(That's a very, very good idea)
I got a freaky ole lady
name a cocaine Katy
who embroideries on my jeans
I got my poor ole grey haired daddy
drivin' my limousine
Now it's all designed to blow our minds
but our minds won't really be blown
Like the blow that'll getcha
when you get your picture
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(Rollin' stone)
Wanna see our pictures on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for our mothers (Yeah) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
Hey (Sure enough)
I know how, rock and roll
Ah, that's beautiful
We got a lot of little teenage
blue eyed groupies who do anything we say
We got a genuine Indian Guru
who's teaching us a better way
We got all the friends that money can buy
so we never have to be alone (No)
And we keep getting richer
but we can't get our picture
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(Rollin' Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (I want one) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
On the cover of the Rollin'… (Stone (And us))
Wanna see my picture on the cover
(I don't know why we ain't on the cover, baby)
(Stone) Wanna buy five copies for my mother
(We're beautiful fellows) (Stone)
Wanna see my smilin' face
On the cover of the Rollin Stone
(spoken)
I ain't kiddin' ya
we would make a beautiful cover
Fresh shot, right up front man
I can see it now, we'd be on the front, smilin' man Aah, beautiful
Not everybody supported the Counter Culture during the 1960's.
actually it is. The hippie generation is a term that encompasses everyone. Baby Boomers. And generally, as I said, I dont know too many 20 somethings who are senators, congresspeople, or president. Not too many 20 year olds own corporations or large buisnesses. Certainly the major companies are all run by people with gray hair.
I can pretty much guarantee of the 5 companies that run the media, all of them are headed by boomers.
Not everybody supported the Counter Culture during the 1960's.
actually it is. The hippie generation is a term that encompasses everyone. Baby Boomers. And generally, as I said, I dont know too many 20 somethings who are senators, congresspeople, or president. Not too many 20 year olds own corporations or large buisnesses. Certainly the major companies are all run by people with gray hair.
I can pretty much guarantee of the 5 companies that run the media, all of them are headed by boomers.
The media is not run by a culture or age bracket. It's run and controlled by the government.
...and Rupert Murdoch is 82 years old. NOT a Baby boomer, AND the most powerful media magnate (and bullshit con artist asshole) in the world.
Comments
So the next time someone calls me a monster i should feel glorified?
Cool! :thumbup:
Only if they include your picture and your real name!!!
There has been, but it was more around the Newtown kid. CNN's round-the-clock coverage, interviewing people who knew him; they were acting as his biographer. Then you have Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil setting up shop and broadcasting shows from the town like it's the Super Bowl.
Up until this point I had way more issue with how the manhunt was handled than how the brothers were covered. For me this is still small peanuts compared to the tragedy porn that mass shootings have turned into. Just one more log on the fire.
This is true, but how many of the people who are complaining actually read Rolling Stone regularly? Most people aren't reading these periodicals, so I suspect they have preconceived notions about their content based on years of seeing their covers at checkout lines, newsstands, etc. There is/would be less furor about this picture in the New York Times or hypothetically appearing on Time because of those preconceived notions. Consider who was on the cover of Rolling Stone the issues leading up to this one:
Johnny Depp
Danny McBride/Seth Rogen/James Franco/Jonah Hill
Daft Punk
Rolling Stones
Bruno Mars
Louis C.K.
Jon Hamm
Mumford & Sons
Billie Joe Armstrong
Lena Dunham
While they have done some outstanding investigative reporting the last several years, they are seen as a pop culture magazine. And most of that is their own doing because they choose their covers. There are substantially more people who just see the cover of the magazine than actually pick it up and read it.
My point here is not to debate right, wrong, etc. about their decision go go with the cover they did. Just trying to explain why I think people are reacting how they are without leaping right to "the masses are asses."
Godfather.
i honestly feel this is so much the case with a lot of things ed likes & dislikes as well as many other rockers. frig that noise, have a brain & choose your own way.
if ed only did not ripe his ass with the magazine at a venue fulla people but rather praised the magazine, 14,000 fans woulda instantly bought a copy with many thousands to follow suit
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
One can think little of Rolling Stone - or any publication - and not be a puppet.
I AM MINE
I still think the outrage is a little thick. I mean do you all remember the Mag covers after 9/11?
6/7/2003 (***1/2)
7/9/2006 (****1/2)
7/13/2006 (**** )
4/10/2008 EV Solo (****1/2)
6/25/2008 MSG II (*****)
10/1/2009 LA II (****)
10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)
Clearly RS isnt advocating this. And clearly youth culture doesnt view the Boston Bomber in the way our parents generation viewed Manson. The guy isnt viewed as a symbol for a youth culture.
Yeah RS is profiting off the tragedy, but so did Newsweek, Time, the nightly news, Fox, CNN, ABC, etc... You dont have to put that guy on the cover to profit off and exploit the tragedy. RS is a scapegoat for the larger media apparatus and for society at large. We are obsessed with violence, crime, war and death.
We should treat all media outlets the same. They all are peddlers of garbage. They dont care about the victims or the tragedies. They care about ratings. Doing something about this cover photo does nothing to address the larger issues and topics at play here
All that may be true, and it probably is, but im not sure how this differs from the nightly news, or ABC, or Fox, or the Washington Post, or Time. They all do this. Its all about image, selling issues and copies, its all about ads and revenue. All about dressing up violence.
In a way our society does view killers and murderers and violence as pop or as mere images to prop up ratings. And in many ways it only leads to heightened anxiety. You know that nice couple who are muslim and have turbans and burkas, well THEY have to be planning something. They have to hate america. And that guy over there he has to be evil because the media tells us most people are and crime and robbery is increasing. It taps into the anxiety of the times. People are already on edge. Makes sense that if all you see on tv, or read about, is about death and violence, that you'd fear your neighbors
Plus RS is fairly political. Matt Taibbi anyone?
A. Mike mccready
B. brad pitt
C. Rush limbaigh
D. Al sharpton
A police officer who was there the night Dzhokar Tsarnaev was captured has decided to counter the "normalcy" of Rolling Stone's contorversial cover by releasing photos showing the bomber how many would apparently prefer to see him: bloody, covered in dirt, with the red circle of a laser target trained on his forehead. "This guy is evil," Sean Murphy, a tactical officer for the Massachusetts State Police told Boston magazine. "This is the real Boston bomber. Not someone fluffed and buffed for the cover of Rolling Stone magazine."
http://news.yahoo.com/photos-show-momen ... 19966.html
um....
d. al sharpton ?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
RS started out as a political magazine, a voice for the counterculture. They've obviously gone through various incarnations and revamps. The 90's were a new era and they changed. Same for the 2000's. But yeah the political aspect of the magazine has always been there. Matt Taibbi. They always do, or used to do pretty interesting article on the culture and drugs and war and all that stuff, even as recently as a decade or so ago. I remember reading some interesting articles in there about school shootings. Jann Wenner and company started RS as a voice of the counterculture. its always been left wing. I think their articles have always been unfairly overlooked. Some interesting stuff in there
The Boston bomber I dont think is viewed by RS editors or the culture at large as anything remotely resembling a hero.
You make it sound like they got him in for a photo-shoot. The picture they used was his Twitter profile picture.
Beyond that, the story is a portrait of a killer and it's certainly worth trying to understand those who are committing these heinous crimes. It's clearly not glorifying a kid they call "a monster."
This reaction is why our political system is broken: "You view the world differently than me, so you're stupid." If you don't like the image or the story, don't buy the magazine. Don't buy it ever again if you feel that way. But don't pass judgment on what Rolling Stone has the right to publish simply because you think it's in bad taste.
Agree 100 percent. And thats the whole point. The same people who are outraged over the cover, will be the same people who buy Time the next time some great tragedy happens, or they will watch an hour of nightly news where every story covered is about how violent the world is. We are all to blame for it. Its a symptom of living in society. Or a reality.
To me, we have WAY more important things to debate and actually get down and dirty and deal with, than some magazine cover. We spend so much energy on these things, things that really dont matter. You actually realize their was a commision that Hillary and Gore sat on for years that tried to ban nudity and violence in video games and music videos? I mean, really? Thats effective use of time?
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2013/07/18/tsarnaev/
25 year vet of the police force will probably lose his job for leaking this.
“As a professional law-enforcement officer of 25 years, I believe that the image that was portrayed by Rolling Stone magazine was an insult to any person who has every worn a uniform of any color or any police organization or military branch, and the family members who have ever lost a loved one serving in the line of duty. The truth is that glamorizing the face of terror is not just insulting to the family members of those killed in the line of duty, it also could be an incentive to those who may be unstable to do something to get their face on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.
“I hope that the people who see these images will know that this was real. It was as real as it gets. This may have played out as a television show, but this was not a television show. Officer Dick Donohue almost gave his life. Officer Sean Collier did give his life. These were real people, with real lives, with real families. And to have this cover dropped into Boston was hurtful to their memories and their families. I know from first-hand conversations that this Rolling Stone cover has kept many of them up—again. It’s irritated the wounds that will never heal—again. There is nothing glamorous in bringing more pain to a grieving family.
“Photography is very simple, it’s very basic. It brings us back to the cave. An image like this on the cover of Rolling Stone, we see it instantly as being wrong. What Rolling Stone did was wrong. This guy is evil. This is the real Boston bomber. Not someone fluffed and buffed for the cover of Rolling Stone magazine.”
Here's an updated list of retailers who have decided not to sell this issue of Rolling Stone:
CVS
Walgreens
BJ's
Roche Bros Supermarkets
Stop & Shop
Rite Aid
Tedeschi
Cumberland Farms
Shaw's Star Market
Wal-Mart (we really need verification on this, is this ONLY in Boston?)
Hannaford
Kmart
Big Y
Whole Foods (MA only unless you guys know otherwise)
Giant Foods
Hy-Vee
Market Basket
7-Eleven (company operated stores, they are urging franchisees to do the same)
Target (Greater Boston Area only)
Wegmans
H-E-B
Marc's Grocery (OH)
Coburns (MN)
A Fresh Market (Western States)
UMASS Dartmouth Campus store
Harris Teeter
United/Market Street/Amigo Supermarkets
Lowe’s Foods
Schoolkids Records-Raleigh, NC
Raley’s Grocery –CA
King Kullen-NY
Kum & Go- IA
Lori’s Gifts (in over 300 hospitals nationwide)
Dave’s Marketplace
Boston College
Honey Farms
Bud’s Shop ‘n Save
Giant Eagle-PA
Dave’s Marketplace
Rouse’s
Rutters Convenience Stores-PA
Michael’s Creative Bakery @Center News Café
Crimson Corner
Out of Town News-Harvard Square
The media is run by the hippie generation....it's strange how they turned into the same people they hated and wanted to blow up.
Their also running this country....into the ground
Weathermen... Their goal was to create a clandestine revolutionary party for the overthrow of the US government.
Cover of The Rolling Stone
by Dr. Hook
Well, we're big rock singers
We got golden fingers
and we're loved everywhere we go
(That sounds like us)
We sing about beauty
and we sing about truth
at ten-thousand dollars a show (Right)
We take all kinds of pills
that give us all kind of thrills
but the thrill we'll never know
Is the thrill that'll getcha
when you get your picture
on the cover of the Rollin Stone
(Rollin' Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (Yes) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(That's a very, very good idea)
I got a freaky ole lady
name a cocaine Katy
who embroideries on my jeans
I got my poor ole grey haired daddy
drivin' my limousine
Now it's all designed to blow our minds
but our minds won't really be blown
Like the blow that'll getcha
when you get your picture
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(Rollin' stone)
Wanna see our pictures on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for our mothers (Yeah) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
Hey (Sure enough)
I know how, rock and roll
Ah, that's beautiful
We got a lot of little teenage
blue eyed groupies who do anything we say
We got a genuine Indian Guru
who's teaching us a better way
We got all the friends that money can buy
so we never have to be alone (No)
And we keep getting richer
but we can't get our picture
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
(Rollin' Stone)
Wanna see my picture on the cover (Stone)
Wanna buy five copies for my mother (I want one) (Stone) Wanna see my smilin' face
on the cover of the Rollin' Stone
On the cover of the Rollin'… (Stone (And us))
Wanna see my picture on the cover
(I don't know why we ain't on the cover, baby)
(Stone) Wanna buy five copies for my mother
(We're beautiful fellows) (Stone)
Wanna see my smilin' face
On the cover of the Rollin Stone
(spoken)
I ain't kiddin' ya
we would make a beautiful cover
Fresh shot, right up front man
I can see it now, we'd be on the front, smilin' man Aah, beautiful
Couldnt agree more. Such a relief to hear someone say this. My parents and I get in fights because I say the same thing. The whole hippie generation was about changing things. Im as radical as the weathermen and the black panthers and all that stuff. And my parents generation, those in charge, those running things, are all about as middle of the road and non radical as one could get.
its funny my parents dont see the parrallels. The whole hippie generation railed against our grandparents for supporting vietnam and for living ridiculous lives. And now, we are in their place and discussing the same issues.
Those in office are our parents age.
Its ridiculous
Ho......... Ly shit
No it isn't.
Not everybody supported the Counter Culture during the 1960's.
actually it is. The hippie generation is a term that encompasses everyone. Baby Boomers. And generally, as I said, I dont know too many 20 somethings who are senators, congresspeople, or president. Not too many 20 year olds own corporations or large buisnesses. Certainly the major companies are all run by people with gray hair.
I can pretty much guarantee of the 5 companies that run the media, all of them are headed by boomers.
The media is not run by a culture or age bracket. It's run and controlled by the government.
...and Rupert Murdoch is 82 years old. NOT a Baby boomer, AND the most powerful media magnate (and bullshit con artist asshole) in the world.