One fix for the lottery...

keepin it copeseptic

Problems:
1. Less likely to get a show close to you home
2. Decision has to be made which show you start with[/quote]
Why is it less likely?
You have to decide now which one you start with also...[/quote]


1. The 1Oth show is in my city Dallas, which is my first priority, the guy from New York has been shut out of 9 shows and now has dallas as his #1 priority also.

2. 10 shows on tour, New York guy gets 10 chances, me 1[/quote]


The only fix I see is that there shouldn't have been separate drawings for GA then Reserved, it should have been by show only.

javis el errante

What I would do is:

First of all double up the number of 10C seats allocated to each venue. Of course the promoter may want to give or allocate some seats to sponsors and/or endorsers but that can be work out. In the end, tickets will be sold either to a 10C member or a certain credit card holder or whatever service a person is suscribed to provided by the so called endorser or sponsor.

Second, restrict the number of entries you can apply to, it doesn't matter the number, but the lower the number of entries, the better, in order keep happy as many people as possible.

Third, restrict the time and fashion an applicant can enter any drawing: if there is a limit of entries per drawing, there should be a limit of entries per leg as well. Also, restrict the number of entries per city: if a city gets two or more shows, you can enter the drawing for only one show. If you chose two or more shows in the same city, you waive your right to enter the drawing for at least another show in the same leg. The problem is that there might be cities which get at least two shows and there might be lots of members in that particular city.

Fourth, if there's a restriction in the numbers of shows per leg you can apply to, in order to make it easier for a member to get drawn for a show in his/her homestate or a neighbouring one, and in accordance with how the tour is planned, members can only enter the drawing for shows of a particular leg of the tour. For example, if the fist leg is on the west coast, only members of the west coast will be able to enter the drawing, and if there are tickets remaining from the first drawing, the rest can enter the second drawing. Same fashion when the band tours other continents.

RedMosquito22

javis el errante wrote:

What I would do is:

First of all double up the number of 10C seats allocated to each venue. Of course the promoter may want to give or allocate some seats to sponsors and/or endorsers but that can be work out. In the end, tickets will be sold either to a 10C member or a certain credit card holder or whatever service a person is suscribed to provided by the so called endorser or sponsor.

Second, restrict the number of entries you can apply to, it doesn't matter the number, but the lower the number of entries, the better, in order keep happy as many people as possible.

Third, restrict the time and fashion an applicant can enter any drawing: if there is a limit of entries per drawing, there should be a limit of entries per leg as well. Also, restrict the number of entries per city: if a city gets two or more shows, you can enter the drawing for only one show. If you chose two or more shows in the same city, you waive your right to enter the drawing for at least another show in the same leg. The problem is that there might be cities which get at least two shows and there might be lots of members in that particular city.

Fourth, if there's a restriction in the numbers of shows per leg you can apply to, in order to make it easier for a member to get drawn for a show in his/her homestate or a neighbouring one, and in accordance with how the tour is planned, members can only enter the drawing for shows of a particular leg of the tour. For example, if the fist leg is on the west coast, only members of the west coast will be able to enter the drawing, and if there are tickets remaining from the first drawing, the rest can enter the second drawing. Same fashion when the band tours other continents.

The 10 club gets the max allocation of 20% of the venue at almost every venue

reismann

PJ should sell all the tix of a show in their own shop like the German Band Rammstein!!!!Members can buy the tix earlier then the public.But the tix should be personalized The rest goes to the public!!

mcgruff10

it's the same problem over and over again, too few shows and too many members specifically in the northeast. philly, nyc, boston and hartford always sells out the allotted number of fan club tickets. In 98 I requested my one show and got bumped to another show. so the one show thing doesn't work especially now with more members.

Zod

RedMosquito22 wrote:

javis el errante wrote:

What I would do is:

First of all double up the number of 10C seats allocated to each venue. Of course the promoter may want to give or allocate some seats to sponsors and/or endorsers but that can be work out. In the end, tickets will be sold either to a 10C member or a certain credit card holder or whatever service a person is suscribed to provided by the so called endorser or sponsor.

Second, restrict the number of entries you can apply to, it doesn't matter the number, but the lower the number of entries, the better, in order keep happy as many people as possible.

Third, restrict the time and fashion an applicant can enter any drawing: if there is a limit of entries per drawing, there should be a limit of entries per leg as well. Also, restrict the number of entries per city: if a city gets two or more shows, you can enter the drawing for only one show. If you chose two or more shows in the same city, you waive your right to enter the drawing for at least another show in the same leg. The problem is that there might be cities which get at least two shows and there might be lots of members in that particular city.

Fourth, if there's a restriction in the numbers of shows per leg you can apply to, in order to make it easier for a member to get drawn for a show in his/her homestate or a neighbouring one, and in accordance with how the tour is planned, members can only enter the drawing for shows of a particular leg of the tour. For example, if the fist leg is on the west coast, only members of the west coast will be able to enter the drawing, and if there are tickets remaining from the first drawing, the rest can enter the second drawing. Same fashion when the band tours other continents.

The 10 club gets the max allocation of 20% of the venue at almost every venue

Are we sure its 20%? I've kind of gotten feeling it's been dwindling. 10c seemed to have circumvented TM's 10% rule for years, but seem to have a rougher go of it.

I agree with your sentiment though. The 10c can't get more tickets then they got. Lol. Of course less people would be pissed if they could get more, but they can't, hence the problem

RedMosquito22

They usually get between 10 and 20%. The big cities usually get the 20%.

Spiritual_Chaos

I still think this would be a good little fix for the lottery. Helping more people getting tickets. Yep.

Spiritual_Chaos

keepin it copeseptic wrote:

1. The 1Oth show is in my city Dallas, which is my first priority, the guy from New York has been shut out of 9 shows and now has dallas as his #1 priority also.

2. 10 shows on tour, New York guy gets 10 chances, me 1

Hmm. Still don't understand. or maybe you are talking about in what order 10C is drawing the shows...

But If you have Dallas as prio1 and NY-guy has it at prio-5, he wouldn't move up to having Dallas as prio-1 before you have had a shot.

All prio1 are run through first (in random order). Those who get a show are taken aside. Those who are left and still couldn't get their prio1 are run through again using their prio-2. Now, there might be a few left who hasn't have got their prio1 or prio2 so you run it through again. The when as many members as mathematically possible have 1 show each - you put everyone back in the lottery and run through again with the rest of tickets and prios.

Wouldn't that solve the problem you are mentioning?

JB56195

In your Dallas NYC comparison you have to make sure the drawing starts in a random city. You don't want NYC to necessarily start first because all of the high demand new yorkers would get displaced to their lower seeded cities across the country. Unless you run all the people who put Dallas priority 1 first and then run "the biggest losers" from the prior drawing aka the New Yorker who has lost 9 other lottos.

The problem is the current system shouldn't have split GA and reserved. That screwed some peoples rankings and until people saw how that effected the outcome, no one knew how to put down the best strategy.

Here's the issue. I wanted to go to one show. I signed up for Seattle and lost (no worries). I could have really made any show a destination show. Send me to charlotte, philly, portland, hell I don't care as long as I don't have a traveling conflict. What this lottery can't allow us to say is, "Here are the 8 or so shows I could attend, but I only want to go to one." Any of these 8 would be fine. Under the current system, I can end up getting multiple tix that I don't want/can't afford. So now I am shut out for this tour.

JB56195

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

keepin it copeseptic wrote:

1. The 1Oth show is in my city Dallas, which is my first priority, the guy from New York has been shut out of 9 shows and now has dallas as his #1 priority also.

2. 10 shows on tour, New York guy gets 10 chances, me 1

Hmm. Still don't understand. or maybe you are talking about in what order 10C is drawing the shows...

But If you have Dallas as prio1 and NY-guy has it at prio-5, he wouldn't move up to having Dallas as prio-1 before you have had a shot.

All prio1 are run through first (in random order). Those who get a show are taken aside. Those who are left and still couldn't get their prio1 are run through again using their prio-2. Now, there might be a few left who hasn't have got their prio1 or prio2 so you run it through again. The when as many members as mathematically possible have 1 show each - you put everyone back in the lottery and run through again with the rest of tickets and prios.

Wouldn't that solve the problem you are mentioning?

Looks correct to me.

Spiritual_Chaos

JB56195 wrote:

In your Dallas NYC comparison you have to make sure the drawing starts in a random city. You don't want NYC to necessarily start first because all of the high demand new yorkers would get displaced to their lower seeded cities across the country. Unless you run all the people who put Dallas priority 1 first and then run "the biggest losers" from the prior drawing aka the New Yorker who has lost 9 other lottos.

The problem is the current system shouldn't have split GA and reserved. That screwed some peoples rankings and until people saw how that effected the outcome, no one knew how to put down the best strategy.

Here's the issue. I wanted to go to one show. I signed up for Seattle and lost (no worries). I could have really made any show a destination show. Send me to charlotte, philly, portland, hell I don't care as long as I don't have a traveling conflict. What this lottery can't allow us to say is, "Here are the 8 or so shows I could attend, but I only want to go to one." Any of these 8 would be fine. Under the current system, I can end up getting multiple tix that I don't want/can't afford. So now I am shut out for this tour.

You should be able to maybe pick how many shows at most you would like to win. So, you can enter for 15 shows but if you win 1 (or 2,3,4 or whatever you chooses as the amount) your are out.