You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
altho most news sources were saying it passed because that's what the some texas GOP senators were claiming. and the texas legislature even purposely changed their web site to make it look like it was passed on the 25th, when intially their same site showed it went thru on the 26th. anyone that was watching knows they didn't get through the roll call until 12:02 am. they couldn't get the vote in because the protestors were too loud! however now it's clear the bill is DEAD! :thumbup:
Texas Abortion Bill Filibustered By State Senator Wendy Davis Is Dead
Posted: 06/26/2013 4:05 am EDT | Updated: 06/26/2013 4:28 am EDT
The Texas anti-abortion bill, which threatened to close nearly all of the abortion clinics in the state and prompted an 11-hour filibuster by state Sen. Wendy Davis (D), is dead, The Austin American-Statesman reported.
Lawmakers had to vote on Senate Bill 5 before the special session's end at 12 a.m. local time. However, protesters halted the proceedings 15 to 20 minutes before the roll call could be completed.
The crowd of demonstrators in the capitol cried "Shame! Shame!" when Davis' filibuster was halted by Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, who ruled that her discussion of mandatory ultrasound testing was off-topic. Then the protesters roared after state Sen. Leticia Van De Putte asked, "At what point must a female senator raise her hand or her voice to be recognized over her male colleagues?”
Their cries continued to echo inside the chamber -- and over a livestream watched by thousands around the world -- until after the midnight deadline passed.
Although some Republican lawmakers later claimed the bill had passed in time, Democrats denied that the vote was completed before the clock ran out on the session.
A time stamp showing the vote completed after midnight was the deciding factor. “This will not become law,” Sen. John Whitmire (D), told The Austin American-Statesman.
According to The Texas Tribune, Dewhurst was less than pleased by the evening's turn of events. After ruling that the time on SB 5 had expired, he told reporters that "an unruly mob using Occupy Wall Street tactics" had derailed legislation that was designed to protect women and babies.
Despite a long day of filibustering, Davis was upbeat when she greeted the crowd of supporters, who applauded the senator and chanted her name.
"Today was democracy in action,” Davis said. “You all are the voices we were speaking for from the floor.”
Filibusters are typically not among Democracy's finer moments.
Yeah, it seems pretty stupid that a person talking for 11 hours can stop legislation that would have passed from becoming law just because it's a new day.
I'm making no comment on the law in question here, just the filibuster process. It's the equivalent of taking your ball and going home.
No, no. Only when people filibuster bills you agree with. Otherwise it's awsum.
The rules for filibusters in the Texas legislature are pretty tough and are designed to keep people from getting up and reading names out of the phone book, etc. Also to keep filibusters from being successful. Stand straight at all times, no leaning, no pauses, discuss only the bill in question, no eating, no drinking, no bathroom breaks. Talking about something related but not actually part of the bill results in a called strike against you. 3 of those and your filibuster is over.
The session ended at midnight so she succeeded in blocking the vote long enough that it wasn't passed until after midnight. The gov will call another special session and they'll bring it up again.
The rules for filibusters in the Texas legislature are pretty tough and are designed to keep people from getting up and reading names out of the phone book, etc. Also to keep filibusters from being successful. Stand straight at all times, no leaning, no pauses, discuss only the bill in question, no eating, no drinking, no bathroom breaks. Talking about something related but not actually part of the bill results in a called strike against you. 3 of those and your filibuster is over.
Good grief. I don't think I could do that for 20 minutes straight.
They should make you hold a glass of water with your arm extended to. If you lower you're arm, you're out.
i hate the filibuster and think it should be illegal. but at the same time, i think it was absolutely necessary in this case because the zealots in texas would have almost completely eliminated access to safe abortions in the state, and by default eliminating women's health clinics.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i hate the filibuster and think it should be illegal. but at the same time, i think it was absolutely necessary in this case because the zealots in texas would have almost completely eliminated access to safe abortions in the state, and by default eliminating women's health clinics.
As noted above, plenty of people "hate filibuster" until a bill comes along that they want filibustered.
Edit: Still, if even half of what Who Princess said is true (not doubting you, WhoP), then I gotta say Texas' filibuster laws are pretty sweet.
i hate the filibuster and think it should be illegal. but at the same time, i think it was absolutely necessary in this case because the zealots in texas would have almost completely eliminated access to safe abortions in the state, and by default eliminating women's health clinics.
As noted above, plenty of people "hate filibuster" until a bill comes along that they want filibustered.
Edit: Still, if even half of what Who Princess said is true (not doubting you, WhoP), then I gotta say Texas' filibuster laws are pretty sweet.
if this bill had passed this would have been appealed all the way up to the supreme court. it would have been a clear infringement on roe v wade, which is the law of the land. in 5 years the supreme court would strike this law down anyway.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i hate the filibuster and think it should be illegal. but at the same time, i think it was absolutely necessary in this case because the zealots in texas would have almost completely eliminated access to safe abortions in the state, and by default eliminating women's health clinics.
As noted above, plenty of people "hate filibuster" until a bill comes along that they want filibustered.
Edit: Still, if even half of what Who Princess said is true (not doubting you, WhoP), then I gotta say Texas' filibuster laws are pretty sweet.
Believe me, it's all true. There was a lot of speculation the day before, knowing that she would need to filibuster for up to 13 hours about how she would manage.
She received one strike for referring to Roe v. Wade (because it wasn't part of the bill), and another when a colleague brought her a back brace after several hours and helped her put it on while she spoke ("She paused!"). Her 3rd strike came late in the evening when she made a reference to the last session's abortion restrictions (haven't received the final word on if that one is even constitutional BTW) because that wasn't part of the current bill. Other Dems appealed the 3rd strike and that was enough to delay the vote so that it ran until after midnight. Pretty close on the timing.
i hate the filibuster and think it should be illegal. but at the same time, i think it was absolutely necessary in this case because the zealots in texas would have almost completely eliminated access to safe abortions in the state, and by default eliminating women's health clinics.
As noted above, plenty of people "hate filibuster" until a bill comes along that they want filibustered.
Edit: Still, if even half of what Who Princess said is true (not doubting you, WhoP), then I gotta say Texas' filibuster laws are pretty sweet.
Believe me, it's all true. There was a lot of speculation the day before, knowing that she would need to filibuster for up to 13 hours about how she would manage.
She received one strike for referring to Roe v. Wade (because it wasn't part of the bill), and another when a colleague brought her a back brace after several hours and helped her put it on while she spoke ("She paused!"). Her 3rd strike came late in the evening when she made a reference to the last session's abortion restrictions (haven't received the final word on if that one is even constitutional BTW) because that wasn't part of the current bill. Other Dems appealed the 3rd strike and that was enough to delay the vote so that it ran until after midnight. Pretty close on the timing.
Sounds like the whole thing was very cleverly orchestrated....from both sides.
So it turns out looking like both sides won, but nothing was passed.
Our political process needs to be completely scrapped and re-done.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
That was intriguing to watch, and Wendy Davis is my new hero for standing up for the women of Texas and our rights. As a native of Ft. Worth, I am doubly proud. I am also proud of the pro-choice men and women who packed the Senate gallery.
I am ashamed of the republicans in my state who wish to ban abortion so as to further their political careers. And I am ashamed that they chose to make up objections to her filibuster, which followed the stated rules of the Senate.
But I am most ashamed that the republican "leadership" attempted to falsify records by changing the time stamp to make it appear that the vote occurred before midnight. Those people should be sanctioned at least, if not removed from office.
I hate filibusters more, i should have said that instead.
She is an inspiration for some, but in the end filibusters seem like a waste of time.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I hate filibusters more, i should have said that instead.
She is an inspiration for some, but in the end filibusters seem like a waste of time.
As a woman living in Texas, and about to face a virtual ban on the procedure, I don't consider this to have been a waste of time. Even if another special session is called to ramrod this legislation through (because they couldn't get it passed in regular session or in the first special session), the women of Texas and pro choice men have sent a message to Rick Perry and his good ole boys that they aren't going down without a fight
Filibusters are typically not among Democracy's finer moments.
Yeah, it seems pretty stupid that a person talking for 11 hours can stop legislation that would have passed from becoming law just because it's a new day.
I'm making no comment on the law in question here, just the filibuster process. It's the equivalent of taking your ball and going home.
I think the purpose of the ability to filibuster is to encourage compromise between the majority party and the minority party. Otherwise, those in majority can just do whatever they want, which isn't ideal
As a woman living in Texas, and about to face a virtual ban on the procedure, I don't consider this to have been a waste of time. Even if another special session is called to ramrod this legislation through (because they couldn't get it passed in regular session or in the first special session), the women of Texas and pro choice men have sent a message to Rick Perry and his good ole boys that they aren't going down without a fight
Good for you then.
Keep fighting and make your voice heard.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Putting together plans now to drive from Dallas to Austin on Monday and protest. Don't they know that you don't mess with Texas women?
drivingrl: "Will I ever get to meet Gwen Stefani?"
kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.
Another special session has been called and begins on Monday. If the bill passes only five facilities in the state would be able to perform abortions rather than the current 45. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06 ... ?mobile=wt
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Putting together plans now to drive from Dallas to Austin on Monday and protest. Don't they know that you don't mess with Texas women?
I'm planning on coming up from San Antonio!
Have you heard if the vote will be Monday? The special session has been called, but it's not clear if the vote will actually take place Monday or not.
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kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.
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she is a total badass...
I hate politicians
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
that must suck...
Impressive! I sure as hell could not do that!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It's a little like George Carlin's comment about "watching flies f..." well, you know-
She rocks. :thumbup:
Texas Abortion Bill Filibustered By State Senator Wendy Davis Is Dead
Posted: 06/26/2013 4:05 am EDT | Updated: 06/26/2013 4:28 am EDT
The Texas anti-abortion bill, which threatened to close nearly all of the abortion clinics in the state and prompted an 11-hour filibuster by state Sen. Wendy Davis (D), is dead, The Austin American-Statesman reported.
Lawmakers had to vote on Senate Bill 5 before the special session's end at 12 a.m. local time. However, protesters halted the proceedings 15 to 20 minutes before the roll call could be completed.
The crowd of demonstrators in the capitol cried "Shame! Shame!" when Davis' filibuster was halted by Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, who ruled that her discussion of mandatory ultrasound testing was off-topic. Then the protesters roared after state Sen. Leticia Van De Putte asked, "At what point must a female senator raise her hand or her voice to be recognized over her male colleagues?”
Their cries continued to echo inside the chamber -- and over a livestream watched by thousands around the world -- until after the midnight deadline passed.
Although some Republican lawmakers later claimed the bill had passed in time, Democrats denied that the vote was completed before the clock ran out on the session.
A time stamp showing the vote completed after midnight was the deciding factor. “This will not become law,” Sen. John Whitmire (D), told The Austin American-Statesman.
According to The Texas Tribune, Dewhurst was less than pleased by the evening's turn of events. After ruling that the time on SB 5 had expired, he told reporters that "an unruly mob using Occupy Wall Street tactics" had derailed legislation that was designed to protect women and babies.
Despite a long day of filibustering, Davis was upbeat when she greeted the crowd of supporters, who applauded the senator and chanted her name.
"Today was democracy in action,” Davis said. “You all are the voices we were speaking for from the floor.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/2 ... 01005.html
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Yeah, it seems pretty stupid that a person talking for 11 hours can stop legislation that would have passed from becoming law just because it's a new day.
I'm making no comment on the law in question here, just the filibuster process. It's the equivalent of taking your ball and going home.
The rules for filibusters in the Texas legislature are pretty tough and are designed to keep people from getting up and reading names out of the phone book, etc. Also to keep filibusters from being successful.
The session ended at midnight so she succeeded in blocking the vote long enough that it wasn't passed until after midnight. The gov will call another special session and they'll bring it up again.
Lots of political pandering there.
They should make you hold a glass of water with your arm extended to. If you lower you're arm, you're out.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Edit: Still, if even half of what Who Princess said is true (not doubting you, WhoP), then I gotta say Texas' filibuster laws are pretty sweet.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
She received one strike for referring to Roe v. Wade (because it wasn't part of the bill), and another when a colleague brought her a back brace after several hours and helped her put it on while she spoke ("She paused!"). Her 3rd strike came late in the evening when she made a reference to the last session's abortion restrictions (haven't received the final word on if that one is even constitutional BTW) because that wasn't part of the current bill. Other Dems appealed the 3rd strike and that was enough to delay the vote so that it ran until after midnight. Pretty close on the timing.
Sounds like the whole thing was very cleverly orchestrated....from both sides.
So it turns out looking like both sides won, but nothing was passed.
Our political process needs to be completely scrapped and re-done.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I am ashamed of the republicans in my state who wish to ban abortion so as to further their political careers. And I am ashamed that they chose to make up objections to her filibuster, which followed the stated rules of the Senate.
But I am most ashamed that the republican "leadership" attempted to falsify records by changing the time stamp to make it appear that the vote occurred before midnight. Those people should be sanctioned at least, if not removed from office.
I hate filibusters more, i should have said that instead.
She is an inspiration for some, but in the end filibusters seem like a waste of time.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
As a woman living in Texas, and about to face a virtual ban on the procedure, I don't consider this to have been a waste of time. Even if another special session is called to ramrod this legislation through (because they couldn't get it passed in regular session or in the first special session), the women of Texas and pro choice men have sent a message to Rick Perry and his good ole boys that they aren't going down without a fight
I think the purpose of the ability to filibuster is to encourage compromise between the majority party and the minority party. Otherwise, those in majority can just do whatever they want, which isn't ideal
Good for you then.
Keep fighting and make your voice heard.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.
Next!"
I'm planning on coming up from San Antonio!
Have you heard if the vote will be Monday? The special session has been called, but it's not clear if the vote will actually take place Monday or not.
kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.
Next!"