seems odd....so what happened ?

Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited June 2013 in A Moving Train
a while back the "death penalty" was taboo around here,there was NO REASON at all and not anybodys right to use state sanctioned revenge killing as punishment but now with all the sicko's killing kids and doing mass murder I have noticed that many of you seem to agree with the "kill them attitude" :shock: what has changed or what has happened to some of you to sudenly change your minds ?

Godfather.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    Your perception seems to try and fit your narrative.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I haven't changed my mind.
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    I'm still against it....
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,055
    My view point hasn't changed. All we have to do is compare our crime rates/death sentences/prison populations with most European countries to get an idea of how screwed up we are that way. We propagate violence. As Jim Morrison once pointed out, "America was conceived in violence, Americans are attached to violence." (http://archives.waiting-forthe-sun.net/ ... sGone.html )
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I'll always be against it.

    But as I've said before, when something particularly vile happens, we get plenty of posters who get online and seem to take some kind of satisfaction from describing the nasty things that should be done to the perpetrators. I don't understand why people want to visualize, fantasize and possibly take comfort from thinking about something terrible happening to another person...no matter how much they think the person deserves it.

    If humanity's first instinct and ultimate goal would be to come to understanding and forgiveness instead of retribution and revenge, the world would be a far, far better place.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    I remain in favor of it and always have been. It is used too often and in cases where there is doubt. It should only be used in extreme cases when there is no reasonable doubt at all. The ultimate punishment only employed to punish the most heinous crimes.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    Godfather. wrote:
    a while back the "death penalty" was taboo around here,there was NO REASON at all and not anybodys right to use state sanctioned revenge killing as punishment but now with all the sicko's killing kids and doing mass murder I have noticed that many of you seem to agree with the "kill them attitude" :shock: what has changed or what has happened to some of you to sudenly change your minds ?

    Godfather.

    Many of us seem to have changed our minds and agree with "kill them attitude?"
    I havent seen a hint of this anywhere lately? Did I miss something? :?

    Im still against it..
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  • Why isn't the original post in the DP thread?

    Godfather, your question in the original post makes you 5/34 this past week for offering something worth responding to. Your quality at bats tend to suffer in the gun control and Muslim threads. If you would stay away from those ball parks, we might be able to talk of a promotion to the bigs. As is... you're well below the Mendoza line... but you're still a prospect we should keep an eye on!

    Some great comments get made in multiple threads about the same topic. For reference, it's much easier to consult one thread about a particular topic versus look through many threads.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    JimmyV wrote:
    I remain in favor of it and always have been. It is used too often and in cases where there is doubt. It should only be used in extreme cases when there is no reasonable doubt at all. The ultimate punishment only employed to punish the most heinous crimes.
    Well-said.

    As to the retribution side of it...I'll confess that when it comes to certain particular vileness, I neither want nor need to understand or forgive the perpetrator. It's not my place to say whether a murderer, child-rapist, anyone else committing the unfathomable, is deserving of it from a legal or even moral standpoint.

    But from me, as a pissant and imperfect human being?

    Nope, I just don't have it in me, and am unapologetic for that.
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    JimmyV wrote:
    I remain in favor of it and always have been. It is used too often and in cases where there is doubt. It should only be used in extreme cases when there is no reasonable doubt at all. The ultimate punishment only employed to punish the most heinous crimes.
    I don't really disagree with your viewpoint, but just to play devil's advocate -- aren't all criminal convictions "beyond a reasonable doubt", technically speaking? Becomes difficult to discern which convictions are beyond reasonable doubt and which are really really really beyond reasonable doubt, and thus potentially a justification for the death penalty.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    a while back the "death penalty" was taboo around here,there was NO REASON at all and not anybodys right to use state sanctioned revenge killing as punishment but now with all the sicko's killing kids and doing mass murder I have noticed that many of you seem to agree with the "kill them attitude" :shock: what has changed or what has happened to some of you to sudenly change your minds ?

    Godfather.
    ...
    Not sure what you are talking about, sir. I think most people who oppose the Death Penalty, STILL oppose it.
    I now, I still do.
    I used to support it... then, i learned that the justice system is flawed and prosecuters and cops want to make close cases in order to appeal to public outcry... and to further their own career ambitions. They are willing to railroad innocent people in order to satisfy politicians and the public... and to get that promotion either in the police department or the District Attorney's office.
    For us to kill an innocent person in our names... make us all murderers... who get away with murder.
    ...
    I also know... prison is a fucked up place to live out the rest of your life. But, it gives the wrongly accused and convicted a chance to clear their names and re-gain their freedom.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    MotoDC wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    I remain in favor of it and always have been. It is used too often and in cases where there is doubt. It should only be used in extreme cases when there is no reasonable doubt at all. The ultimate punishment only employed to punish the most heinous crimes.
    I don't really disagree with your viewpoint, but just to play devil's advocate -- aren't all criminal convictions "beyond a reasonable doubt", technically speaking? Becomes difficult to discern which convictions are beyond reasonable doubt and which are really really really beyond reasonable doubt, and thus potentially a justification for the death penalty.

    All convictions are, yes, but I think the standard of conviction and the standard used to warrant the death penalty should be different. I would not want the death penalty used often or broadly, and I think it is best used in cases where the convicted is so unapologetic for their crimes that they openly admit them. I think serial killers are the poster boys for this. I also think Tim McVeigh did deserve to die for what he did in OKC.

    Some crimes, however, the truth is unclear even after a conviction. So many cop-killings and child molestation cases are one word against another. Those are the instances where I think the death penalty is used inappropriately.
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