helmet laws yes or no ?

Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited June 2013 in A Moving Train
The average medical claim from a motorcycle crash rose by more than one-fifth last year in Michigan after the state stopped requiring all riders to wear helmets, according to an insurance industry study. Across the nation, motorcyclists opposed to mandatory helmet use have been chipping away at state helmet laws for years while crash deaths have been on the rise.



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I have gotten used to riding with a helmet but if california put an end to the helmet law I'm not sure if I would wear one or not, for long rides I think I would but for around town I may not.

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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    The risk is yours, same with wearing a seatbelt.

    I'm against both laws
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I think it is crazy to not wear a helmet.

    Heck, with everyone texting while driving, riding a motorcycle is nuts alone.

    Last year someone died in a NY helmet protest ride. Coronors said he would have lived if he was wearing a helmet.

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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Its ridiculous to think that seatbelts and helmets don't save lives. That being said, I don't believe the government should tell adults that they have to use them. I disagree with seatbelt and helmet laws. But I use a seatbelt and a helmet when I ride.
  • Hey that is research....give a tool the option to not wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle and I can't believe they are prone to get hurt a bit more then if you wear one. If they don't allow you to not wear a helmet playing in the bigs (nhl) and they travel slower on skates, why in the world would you be dumb enough to not have this as a mandatory law.

    I think the tools who wear shorts and t-shirts here in Canada are morons flying down the highway. I would only heap a new nickname on them without a helmet.

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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    i'm actually sort of torn on the issue.

    95% of my motorcycle miles were helmted miles, but i did enjoy the non helmet miles as well.

    obviously, helmets help...as does leather.

    do you require proper shoes, pants, jacket and gloves as well?


    but regarless of your choice....if you go for a ride, and have the helmet hanging off the side of the bike, you look like an idiot
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  • Its ridiculous to think that seatbelts and helmets don't save lives. That being said, I don't believe the government should tell adults that they have to use them. I disagree with seatbelt and helmet laws. But I use a seatbelt and a helmet when I ride.


    So in a way you agree with the laws cause you abide by them. ;) You rebel you.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i think that if it is optional to wear a helmet or use a seatbelt, then it should be optional for your insurance companies to cover the injuries you sustain from not taking those protective measures.

    sure it is your choice, but it should not be on your insurance company to pay for the liftime of care for you due to your traumatic brain injury. these things are preventable.
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    I think the tools who wear shorts and t-shirts here in Canada are morons flying down the highway. I would only heap a new nickname on them without a helmet.

    you guys are serious about your helmet law.

    was in windsor...and some douche stole my helmet. i filed a report...and on the way back to the states, i was yelled at by a group of motorcyclists...and then pulled over...no ticket, as i had my report...grabbed a bite to eat and was yelled at again by somebody in a car before i could get back over the bridge.

    at the time, MI still had a helmet law....and i lived in Ohio...drove from detroit to ohio without a single issue :lol:
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  • i think that if it is optional to wear a helmet or use a seatbelt, then it should be optional for your insurance companies to cover the injuries you sustain from not taking those protective measures.

    sure it is your choice, but it should not be on your insurance company to pay for the liftime of care for you due to your traumatic brain injury. these things are preventable.

    what he said.
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  • Jerry Seinfeld on helmets and helmet laws

    Submitted by R.McElroy on Mon, 2005-10-17 18:05

    "...Skydiving was definitely the scariest thing I've ever done. Let me ask you this question in regards to the skydiving: what is the point of the helmet in the skydiving? I mean, can you kinda make it? You jump out of that plane and that chute doesn't open, the helmet is now wearing you for protection. Later on the helmet's talking with the other helmets going "It's a good thing that he was there or I would have hit the ground directly."

    There are many things that we can point to that proof that the human being is not smart. The helmet is my personal favorite. The fact that we had to invent the helmet. Now why did we invent the helmet? Well, because we were participating in many activities that were cracking our heads. We looked at the situation. We chose not to avoid these activities, but to just make little plastic hats so that we can continue our head-cracking lifestyles.

    The only thing dumber than the helmet is the helmet law, the point of which is to protect a brain that is functioning so poorly, it's not even trying to stop the cracking of the head that it's in..."
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I had a buddy that was run off the I-5 and walked away unscathed cause he was wearing body armor. He was pissed cause he had bought the armor a week earlier and now it was all scuffed up. I told him he should be happy because his investment instantly paid off.
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I don't think there should be a law, i think it should be stressed to people that without one, if or when something goes wrong you'll probably die if you don't wear one, but that should be your choice.

    It's like warning labels, don't exceed taking more than 8 of these pills in a 24 hr period. Good to know. Nothing stopping me from downing the entire bottle if i feel like it.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i commute on a bicycle ...

    i believe in mandatory seat belt and helmet laws ... obviously, you can't expect the gov't to mandate and regulate safety but here in Canada - the majority of health care is publicly funded ... if an injury or severity of an injury could have been prevented - we, as a society need to ensure that safety has some level of priority ...

    you would hope that you wouldn't have to mandate this but people are stupid ... that can't be argued ... and i know there is a faction who believe in individual freedoms ... i support that but this isn't the battle for those freedoms to be fought on imo ...
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    edited May 2013
    Its ridiculous to think that seatbelts and helmets don't save lives. That being said, I don't believe the government should tell adults that they have to use them. I disagree with seatbelt and helmet laws. But I use a seatbelt and a helmet when I ride.


    So in a way you agree with the laws cause you abide by them. ;) You rebel you.
    I wear a seatbelt and wear a helmet because they save lives. I've only cut one dead guy out of a seatbelt out of about 100 MVA fatalities. And I've seen only 2 fatalities on motorcyclists wearing helmets in 10 years of being a fireman. I never wore a seatbelt before I became a fireman. Its got nothing to do with the law my friend.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    i think that if it is optional to wear a helmet or use a seatbelt, then it should be optional for your insurance companies to cover the injuries you sustain from not taking those protective measures.

    sure it is your choice, but it should not be on your insurance company to pay for the liftime of care for you due to your traumatic brain injury. these things are preventable.
    This makes complete sense.

    When I was in my teens, my sister's boyfriend would take me on rides through Laurel Canyon - lots of winding roads. I never once wore a helmet and now chalk that up to the stupidity and sense of invulnerability of youth.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I'm starting to realize that US posters are starting to be outnumbered by Canadian posters ...

    :think:

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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    The risk is yours, same with wearing a seatbelt.

    I'm against both laws


    No, the risk is not yours and yours alone. If you get in a bike accident without wearing a helmet, or in a car accident without wearing your seatbelt, your medical bills go through the roof and guess whose premiums go up? Mine.

    So yes, I am ALL for helmet laws. Saying that insurance companies can opt not to cover your medical bills is not a solution. Many patients would be unable to pay the bills themselves and would probably have to declare bankruptcy. The hospitals have to foot the bill and guess how they recover the cost? Rising procedure/visit costs that get passed on to everyone else...including insurance companies.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Jason P wrote:
    I'm starting to realize that US posters are starting to be outnumbered by Canadian posters ...

    :think:

    th?id=H.4884353783693343&pid=15.1


    Ya, but they'll apologize for it at some point.
  • Its ridiculous to think that seatbelts and helmets don't save lives. That being said, I don't believe the government should tell adults that they have to use them. I disagree with seatbelt and helmet laws. But I use a seatbelt and a helmet when I ride.


    So in a way you agree with the laws cause you abide by them. ;) You rebel you.
    I wear a seatbelt and wear a helmet because they save lives. I've only cut one dead guy out of a seatbelt out of about 100 MVA fatalities. And I've seen only 2 fatalities on motorcyclists wearing helmets in 10 years of being a fireman. I never wore a seatbelt before I became a fireman. Its got nothing to do with the law my friend.


    So you were scared into wearing one or common sense said to wear one? Either way as you have stated with your personal stats, the law works.

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  • Jason P wrote:
    I'm starting to realize that US posters are starting to be outnumbered by Canadian posters ...

    :think:

    th?id=H.4884353783693343&pid=15.1


    Ya, but they'll apologize for it at some point.

    :lol:
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  • I don't ride a motorbike, but if I did, I would think it incredibly stupid not to wear one. I don't leave home without my helmet when riding my bicycle. And the child helmet law just came into effect here not long ago. Which makes sense.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    i think that if it is optional to wear a helmet or use a seatbelt, then it should be optional for your insurance companies to cover the injuries you sustain from not taking those protective measures.

    sure it is your choice, but it should not be on your insurance company to pay for the liftime of care for you due to your traumatic brain injury. these things are preventable.


    hasn't that kind of how been how it works anyway? :lol:


    Someone wants to not have a helmet on who am I to say you should have to do it. It should be up to your insurance company, don't think someone shouldn't use a helmet? put it in a contract that voids their insurance if they were found to not be wearing a helmet. It doesn't need to be a fine-able offense.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    who should pay for it if someone refuses to wear a helmet, falls, turns his face and brain into raw hamburger, and is in a persistent vegetative state on machines for the next 50 years?

    these things happen. i have seen it happen when i had to do emergency room observations on the midnight shift on a friday or saturday night. you wanna see some fucked up shit? try doing that shift.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I'm totally against denying insurance coverage or medical because of lifestyle choices ... what next ... you have type 2 diabetes (that was preventable - denied), oh your 30 pounds overweight you could have prevented that heart attack - denied, I know you quit smoking 20 years, it still lead to your illness - denied, honest mr insurance company I always wear my seatbelt, I just forgot this 1 time and I'm sure most of us have at one time or another.

    I think it's a slippery slope it we start denying insurance claims based on lifestyle.

    Something tell me the amount insurance companies pay out in claims to helmet-less riders or those not wearing seat-belts is minuscule compared to what they pay out for lifestyle choice's.

    But I'm in Canada and we don't deny medical coverage for lifestyle choices.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jason P wrote:
    I'm starting to realize that US posters are starting to be outnumbered by Canadian posters ...

    :think:

    th?id=H.4884353783693343&pid=15.1


    :lol::lol::lol::lol: i laughed so hard i farted !!! :lol::lol:

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    who should pay for it if someone refuses to wear a helmet, falls, turns his face and brain into raw hamburger, and is in a persistent vegetative state on machines for the next 50 years?

    these things happen. i have seen it happen when i had to do emergency room observations on the midnight shift on a friday or saturday night. you wanna see some fucked up shit? try doing that shift.


    not to be a wise guy but the same people that pay for illegal's probably.... :mrgreen: sorry man I just couldn't help myself :lol:


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,633
    i think that if it is optional to wear a helmet or use a seatbelt, then it should be optional for your insurance companies to cover the injuries you sustain from not taking those protective measures.

    sure it is your choice, but it should not be on your insurance company to pay for the liftime of care for you due to your traumatic brain injury. these things are preventable.
    to be fair, with a motorcycle the same-ish injuries could occur even with a helmet. Depends entirely on the accident.

    An illfitting helmet is as bad or worse than no helmet at all.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,633
    81 wrote:
    I think the tools who wear shorts and t-shirts here in Canada are morons flying down the highway. I would only heap a new nickname on them without a helmet.

    you guys are serious about your helmet law.

    was in windsor...and some douche stole my helmet. i filed a report...and on the way back to the states, i was yelled at by a group of motorcyclists...and then pulled over...no ticket, as i had my report...grabbed a bite to eat and was yelled at again by somebody in a car before i could get back over the bridge.

    at the time, MI still had a helmet law....and i lived in Ohio...drove from detroit to ohio without a single issue :lol:
    except fo rthe condition of I75. That road fucking sucks.
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  • 81 wrote:
    I think the tools who wear shorts and t-shirts here in Canada are morons flying down the highway. I would only heap a new nickname on them without a helmet.

    you guys are serious about your helmet law.

    was in windsor...and some douche stole my helmet. i filed a report...and on the way back to the states, i was yelled at by a group of motorcyclists...and then pulled over...no ticket, as i had my report...grabbed a bite to eat and was yelled at again by somebody in a car before i could get back over the bridge.

    at the time, MI still had a helmet law....and i lived in Ohio...drove from detroit to ohio without a single issue :lol:


    They probably seen the plates and thought: fuck we don't want to be using our tax money on the knob from out of town with no helmet if he goes down Damn americans taking advantage of our health care. put on a fucking helmet! :D All in fun brother!

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  • riotgrlriotgrl Posts: 1,895
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I'm totally against denying insurance coverage or medical because of lifestyle choices ... what next ... you have type 2 diabetes (that was preventable - denied), oh your 30 pounds overweight you could have prevented that heart attack - denied, I know you quit smoking 20 years, it still lead to your illness - denied, honest mr insurance company I always wear my seatbelt, I just forgot this 1 time and I'm sure most of us have at one time or another.

    I think it's a slippery slope it we start denying insurance claims based on lifestyle.

    Something tell me the amount insurance companies pay out in claims to helmet-less riders or those not wearing seat-belts is minuscule compared to what they pay out for lifestyle choice's.

    But I'm in Canada and we don't deny medical coverage for lifestyle choices.


    Good point. I think not wearing a helmet is idiotic but don't really feel like seat belts and helmets should be legislated, talk about a slippery slope. But your point about denying claims is valid. Higher premiums would be a legitimate way to regulate 'choice'.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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