You'd have thought that part of the £40,000 they're made to pay would go towards the cleaning up of their shit after they leave. Makes you wonder who's pocketing all that money.
the nepalese and chinese govts for one. they don't let you climb for free.
Most climbers would die with out a Sherpa. It's unspoken. :shock:
That Mountain defeats most humans. When a member of the group dies, they are usually left.
Energy is too precious to your own life, and it's widely known , it's acceptable to leave the fallen where they lay.
FEW! actually go back to claim the body when they get strength back.
It's not a tourist attraction, and it is. How many people make it to the summit? not many
They should build Mickey D's at the bottom.
yeah.. no... itd take all the strength you regained to get back up the mountain(not to mention down again hauling the corpse) to claim the body/ies of the fallen. and that's if you can actually find them again... weathers not known for its statis.
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That Mountain defeats most humans. When a member of the group dies, they are usually left.
Energy is too precious to your own life, and it's widely known , it's acceptable to leave the fallen where they lay.
FEW! actually go back to claim the body when they get strength back.
It's not a tourist attraction, and it is. How many people make it to the summit? not many
They should build Mickey D's at the bottom.
yeah.. no... itd take all the strength you regained to get back up the mountain(not to mention down again hauling the corpse) to claim the body/ies of the fallen. and that's if you can actually find them again... weathers not known for its statis.
Those that have lost... and get a chance to go back... do. They usually mark the exact coordinates. The trip is only about the recovery. Most cases they can use a helicopter... weather permitting, and money talks. Most dead bodies and trash are just left forever, no one can be a maid for Everest. It's unrealistic. It's SAD. :(
Good question- you piqued my interest. According to wiki answers, 2700 people have successfully climbed to the summit of Everest.
Wise geek says "Though it's impossible to say how many people have reached Everest's summit at any given time since the number changes every year, as of September 2011 over 3,100 climbers from over 20 countries had made over 5,100 recorded climbs. As of 2012 there were over 220 recorded fatalities, "
UK Answers say "As of the end of the 2004 climbing season, 2,238 people had reached the summit (1,148 of them since 1998) and 186 people died while summitting."
And those are just the figures for successful climbs. The sheer number of attempts is outrageous.
What ever the exact answer, I really have to think that's too many people on that mountain, too many dead bodies (taken or left) and definitely too much trash. But then you know me, I'm much more in favor of leaving pristine wilderness.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
The world's highest peak is so crowded with climbers that some are seriously considering installing a ladder on the famed Hillary Step to ease congestion. While the ladder is intended for use for those descending from the peak, the proposal still casts Mt. Everest's long-running overcrowding issue into stark relief.
"Most of the traffic jams are at the Hillary Step because only one person can go up or down. If you have people waiting two, three or even four hours that means lots of exposure [to risk]. To make the climbing easier, that would be wrong. But this is a safety feature," said Sherpa, who co-ordinates the work to prepare the traditional route up the mountain for clients who pay between $45,000 and $75,000."
The story of Everest's epic traffic jam has been bubbling under the surface for awhile. National Geographic, for instance, has a great piece on Everest crowds in their June issue, marking the 60th anniversary of Edmund Hillary's ascent to the peak. Apparently, the path to ascent is now littered with garbage, and corpses:
"We were forced to move at exactly the same speed as everyone else, regardless of strength or ability. In the swirling darkness before midnight, I gazed up at the string of lights, climbers’ headlamps, rising into the black sky. Above me were more than a hundred slow-moving climbers. In one rocky section at least 20 people were attached to a single ratty rope anchored by a single badly bent picket pounded into the ice. If the picket popped, the rope or carabiner would instantly snap from the weight of two dozen falling climbers, and they would all cartwheel down the face to their death.
Panuru, the lead Sherpa of our team, and I unclipped from the lines, swerved out into open ice, and began soloing—for experienced mountaineers, a safer option. Twenty minutes later, another corpse. Still attached to the line of ropes, he was sitting in the snow, frozen solid as stone, his face black, his eyes wide open."
The magazine proposes several other options for fixing Everest's crowd problem, none of which involve a ladder. Their solutions include fewer permits, certifying climbers for experience, reducing team size, and making sure litter (and bodies) are removed from the mountain.
The highlighted ideas make the most sense, do they not?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Maybe they should start summiting without oxygen and have a time limit to get up and get out. You know, kind of make it a feat of humankind again instead of a tourist destination.
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The magazine proposes several other options for fixing Everest's crowd problem, none of which involve a ladder. Their solutions include fewer permits, certifying climbers for experience, reducing team size, and making sure litter (and bodies) are removed from the mountain.
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The highlighted ideas make the most sense, do they not?
Absolutely - and as was mentioned earlier, have funds set aside or built into the fees to account for the clean-up (sounds weird including "bodies" into that equation, but such is this reality).
I sure hope people know what they're getting into when they begin this trek.
I can't see losing my life over achieving such a feat, but that's just me.
Most climbers would die with out a Sherpa. It's unspoken. :shock:
I love it. The climber who has reached their ultimate goal up to that point stands on top of the world and calls it the greatest moment of their life. The Sherpa meanwhile calls it just another Tuesday.
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Most climbers would die with out a Sherpa. It's unspoken. :shock:
I love it. The climber who has reached their ultimate goal up to that point stands on top of the world and calls it the greatest moment of their life. The Sherpa meanwhile calls it just another Tuesday.
thank you, mike, staysea. this is a fact. those sherpa are some bad ass dudes. in my opinion they shut this fucking mountain down until folks give more respect to the mountain & the nepalese people
Most climbers would die with out a Sherpa. It's unspoken. :shock:
I love it. The climber who has reached their ultimate goal up to that point stands on top of the world and calls it the greatest moment of their life. The Sherpa meanwhile calls it just another Tuesday.
thank you, mike, staysea. this is a fact. those sherpa are some bad ass dudes. in my opinion they shut this fucking mountain down until folks give more respect to the mountain & the nepalese people
works both ways chad. although the sherpas only get maybe 10% of what 'western guides get for the climb, the villages and their people would suffer from shutting the mountain down.
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.... Their solutions include fewer permits, certifying climbers for experience, reducing team size, and making sure litter (and bodies) are removed from the mountain.
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The highlighted ideas make the most sense, do they not?
and who has the experience to climb Everest other than those that have climbed Everest???
as for removing the litter. there are already programmes in place for that.
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.... Their solutions include fewer permits, certifying climbers for experience, reducing team size, and making sure litter (and bodies) are removed from the mountain.
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The highlighted ideas make the most sense, do they not?
and who has the experience to climb Everest other than those that have climbed Everest???
as for removing the litter. there are already programmes in place for that.
Quite true, Catefrances. Never-the-less, I'm going with Snakeduck's body-sled idea!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
works both ways chad. although the sherpas only get maybe 10% of what 'western guides get for the climb, the villages and their people would suffer from shutting the mountain down.
then they all suffer. and they all suffer because of those going up the mountain & using the sanctuary that is the mountains as a landfill. i love that it is riddled with bodies, this is good. i do not like the garbage. they feel this way im sure, as well as they will be charging more $$$ & allowing less numbers to go on up
works both ways chad. although the sherpas only get maybe 10% of what 'western guides get for the climb, the villages and their people would suffer from shutting the mountain down.
then they all suffer. and they all suffer because of those going up the mountain & using the sanctuary that is the mountains as a landfill. i love that it is riddled with bodies, this is good. i do not like the garbage. they feel this way im sure, as well as they will be charging more $$$ & allowing less numbers to go on up
..says the WMA.
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There is trash, and Dead bodies for reasons.
That Mountain defeats most humans. When a member of the group dies, they are usually left.
Energy is too precious to your own life, and it's widely known , it's acceptable to leave the fallen where they lay.
FEW! actually go back to claim the body when they get strength back.
It's not a tourist attraction, and it is. How many people make it to the summit? not many
They should build Mickey D's at the bottom.
Most climbers would die with out a Sherpa. It's unspoken. :shock:
yeah.. no... itd take all the strength you regained to get back up the mountain(not to mention down again hauling the corpse) to claim the body/ies of the fallen. and that's if you can actually find them again... weathers not known for its statis.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Those that have lost... and get a chance to go back... do. They usually mark the exact coordinates. The trip is only about the recovery. Most cases they can use a helicopter... weather permitting, and money talks. Most dead bodies and trash are just left forever, no one can be a maid for Everest. It's unrealistic. It's SAD. :(
Good question- you piqued my interest. According to wiki answers, 2700 people have successfully climbed to the summit of Everest.
Wise geek says "Though it's impossible to say how many people have reached Everest's summit at any given time since the number changes every year, as of September 2011 over 3,100 climbers from over 20 countries had made over 5,100 recorded climbs. As of 2012 there were over 220 recorded fatalities, "
UK Answers say "As of the end of the 2004 climbing season, 2,238 people had reached the summit (1,148 of them since 1998) and 186 people died while summitting."
And those are just the figures for successful climbs. The sheer number of attempts is outrageous.
What ever the exact answer, I really have to think that's too many people on that mountain, too many dead bodies (taken or left) and definitely too much trash. But then you know me, I'm much more in favor of leaving pristine wilderness.
http://news.yahoo.com/mount-everest-too ... m9s;_ylv=3
The world's highest peak is so crowded with climbers that some are seriously considering installing a ladder on the famed Hillary Step to ease congestion. While the ladder is intended for use for those descending from the peak, the proposal still casts Mt. Everest's long-running overcrowding issue into stark relief.
"Most of the traffic jams are at the Hillary Step because only one person can go up or down. If you have people waiting two, three or even four hours that means lots of exposure [to risk]. To make the climbing easier, that would be wrong. But this is a safety feature," said Sherpa, who co-ordinates the work to prepare the traditional route up the mountain for clients who pay between $45,000 and $75,000."
The story of Everest's epic traffic jam has been bubbling under the surface for awhile. National Geographic, for instance, has a great piece on Everest crowds in their June issue, marking the 60th anniversary of Edmund Hillary's ascent to the peak. Apparently, the path to ascent is now littered with garbage, and corpses:
"We were forced to move at exactly the same speed as everyone else, regardless of strength or ability. In the swirling darkness before midnight, I gazed up at the string of lights, climbers’ headlamps, rising into the black sky. Above me were more than a hundred slow-moving climbers. In one rocky section at least 20 people were attached to a single ratty rope anchored by a single badly bent picket pounded into the ice. If the picket popped, the rope or carabiner would instantly snap from the weight of two dozen falling climbers, and they would all cartwheel down the face to their death.
Panuru, the lead Sherpa of our team, and I unclipped from the lines, swerved out into open ice, and began soloing—for experienced mountaineers, a safer option. Twenty minutes later, another corpse. Still attached to the line of ropes, he was sitting in the snow, frozen solid as stone, his face black, his eyes wide open."
The magazine proposes several other options for fixing Everest's crowd problem, none of which involve a ladder. Their solutions include fewer permits, certifying climbers for experience, reducing team size, and making sure litter (and bodies) are removed from the mountain.
The highlighted ideas make the most sense, do they not?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I sure hope people know what they're getting into when they begin this trek.
I can't see losing my life over achieving such a feat, but that's just me.
I love it. The climber who has reached their ultimate goal up to that point stands on top of the world and calls it the greatest moment of their life. The Sherpa meanwhile calls it just another Tuesday.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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works both ways chad. although the sherpas only get maybe 10% of what 'western guides get for the climb, the villages and their people would suffer from shutting the mountain down.
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someone has been watching too much simpsons.
take a good look
this could be the day
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and who has the experience to climb Everest other than those that have climbed Everest???
as for removing the litter. there are already programmes in place for that.
take a good look
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hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Quite true, Catefrances. Never-the-less, I'm going with Snakeduck's body-sled idea!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
..says the WMA.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say