At a certain point all acts cease to make anything that is very good.
The Stones - Dylan - Bruce - hell even Neil Young.
My personal believe is that music needs to be made from a place of raw emotion.
Anger
Despair
Pain
Bliss
etc.
All the bands that 'make it' stop making anything amazing because their lives become .... well amazing and it is harder and harder to find something to really make them feel that old feeling of raw emotion.
The drugs that may have fueled some of these emotions have to stop or the bands wouldn't last.
Hopefully Pearl Jam can come back and prove that their time isn't up for great albums - but if it is - their shows still kick ass - whether they are 'mind blowing' or just average by some of your standards there is nothing i would rather be doing for 3 hours than at a Pearl Jam show.
At a certain point all acts cease to make anything that is very good.
The Stones - Dylan - Bruce - hell even Neil Young.
My personal believe is that music needs to be made from a place of raw emotion.
Anger
Despair
Pain
Bliss
etc.
All the bands that 'make it' stop making anything amazing because their lives become .... well amazing and it is harder and harder to find something to really make them feel that old feeling of raw emotion.
The drugs that may have fueled some of these emotions have to stop or the bands wouldn't last.
Hopefully Pearl Jam can come back and prove that their time isn't up for great albums - but if it is - their shows still kick ass - whether they are 'mind blowing' or just average by some of your standards there is nothing i would rather be doing for 3 hours than at a Pearl Jam show.
I understand your point, but gotta stick up for Springsteen. He is making some great records well into his career. Death to My Hometown on his new album is a phenominal song. He is still experimenting with different types of music like incorporating folk music into his albums. It is mixing genres that keep a band moving forward. Like Just Breath or not, but songs like that are at least different from the what PJ has done in the past.
Since they put out one of my favorite albums of all time back in 2006 (7 years ago) what have they done??
-Put out a 36 minute album that was average
-Put on two of the best live shows I've ever seen at Madison Square Garden in 2010
-Put on a whole lot of average festival shows
Is it a side project with the occasional live show that means something?
Is it a band taking their time to put out another classic rock & roll album in the iTunes/American Idol era?
Who is Pearl Jam today?
Interested to hear people's opinions on this....
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I understand your point, but gotta stick up for Springsteen. He is making some great records well into his career. Death to My Hometown on his new album is a phenominal song. He is still experimenting with different types of music like incorporating folk music into his albums.
That is true and i didn't really take the time to fill all the holes on my point -- but he has made a few sleepers throughout that career as well.
They don't make a lot of new music anymore and they don't play a lot of shows together anymore. Anyone's guess is as good as mine as to why. I hope it changes but I'm not holding my breath. I just hope to see them quite a few more times, starting with Wrigley.
I posted this in the Other Music thread regarding Soundgarden
I think Matt is going to have to leave PJ. SG is revitalized...all members are fired up and writing together. The new album is awesome, Cornell came out yesterday and said that he doesn't see any reason to not continue making music and touring with SG
PJ has too many side projects going on...Matt's not going to want to give up playing the music he was born to play. At some point there will be too many conflicts and Matt will have to bow out
my opinion of course
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A better state than Nirvana and Alice In Chains are in these days.
Music wise......Alice in Chains is putting out better stuff than Pearl Jam right now.
Have to disagree. The new "AIC" stuff is terrible. I couldn't even get through most it.
AIC died with Layne. They will make music, but they will never be AIC again.
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Layne got into the drugs and basically killed off AIC for a very long time. I think his remaining bandmates (especially Jerry Cantrell) helped establish that band and the name. Establishing a band is not an easy thing to do. Not everyone gets to be Dave Grohl, and have two kicks at the can. If I passed away and was in band I wouldn't want to rob the hard work my friends did in establishing that band. It's basically saying it was ok that Layne's drug problems stole the livelihood of his bandmates. I think those guys were also Alice in Chains and have the right continue earning their living using that name. As a bonus I don't really see them having done anything to disrespect Layne by doing so.
AC/DC is probably the biggest band (and most successful) at dealing with this exact scenario. Bon Scott died (from drowning in his own vomit) and they motored on. Most people don't know who Brian Johnson is, but most people forget about Bon Scott when they see Brian Johnson perform with AC/DC. Are you going to tell AC/DC they can't use the name? lol.
The death of a musician shouldn't cost the rest of their band their livelihood.
Alternately I read a rumor on grungereport yesterday that said STP was shopping for a new singer. Even though Weiland is fuckup, I don't seem to agree with my above comments when the lead singer is away.
Even though you know the STP guys are in a similar boat. They've tried projects outside of STP (Talk Show and Army of Anyone) and haven't had success like STP. They also helped establish the brand. For some reason it complete irks me to try and replace the guy when he's still alive.
Edit: I can also see the other point of view. If anything ever happened to Eddie, I would completely reject any attempt to replace him.
Double Edit: Except for maybe that South American guy who does a wicked Eddie on youtube
At a certain point all acts cease to make anything that is very good.
The Stones - Dylan - Bruce - hell even Neil Young.
My personal believe is that music needs to be made from a place of raw emotion.
Anger
Despair
Pain
Bliss
etc.
All the bands that 'make it' stop making anything amazing because their lives become .... well amazing and it is harder and harder to find something to really make them feel that old feeling of raw emotion.
The drugs that may have fueled some of these emotions have to stop or the bands wouldn't last.
Hopefully Pearl Jam can come back and prove that their time isn't up for great albums - but if it is - their shows still kick ass - whether they are 'mind blowing' or just average by some of your standards there is nothing i would rather be doing for 3 hours than at a Pearl Jam show.
Well I think it's pretty clear that Pearl Jam's Raw Emotion period was from 91-98 - Their first 5 albums, and all the quality B-Sides, unreleased stuff, was almost faultless. Much as I love the Binaural period it was a slight dip for them (song wise). From then on in, it's taken quite a dive.
Layne got into the drugs and basically killed off AIC for a very long time. I think his remaining bandmates (especially Jerry Cantrell) helped establish that band and the name. Establishing a band is not an easy thing to do. Not everyone gets to be Dave Grohl, and have two kicks at the can. If I passed away and was in band I wouldn't want to rob the hard work my friends did in establishing that band. It's basically saying it was ok that Layne's drug problems stole the livelihood of his bandmates. I think those guys were also Alice in Chains and have the right continue earning their living using that name. As a bonus I don't really see them having done anything to disrespect Layne by doing so.
AC/DC is probably the biggest band (and most successful) at dealing with this exact scenario. Bon Scott died (from drowning in his own vomit) and they motored on. Most people don't know who Brian Johnson is, but most people forget about Bon Scott when they see Brian Johnson perform with AC/DC. Are you going to tell AC/DC they can't use the name? lol.
The death of a musician shouldn't cost the rest of their band their livelihood.
Alternately I read a rumor on grungereport yesterday that said STP was shopping for a new singer. Even though Weiland is fuckup, I don't seem to agree with my above comments when the lead singer is away.
Even though you know the STP guys are in a similar boat. They've tried projects outside of STP (Talk Show and Army of Anyone) and haven't had success like STP. They also helped establish the brand. For some reason it complete irks me to try and replace the guy when he's still alive.
Edit: I can also see the other point of view. If anything ever happened to Eddie, I would completely reject any attempt to replace him.
Double Edit: Except for maybe that South American guy who does a wicked Eddie on youtube
Jerry Cantrell was also the main songwriter for AIC through their first couple albums. I think Layne wrote their entire final album but Cantrell wrote a majority of the hits. Its his band, Layne just had that amazing voice. It'd be like if Eddie wrote the lyrics for 3 songs from Ten, 4 from Vs., 5 from Vitalogy and 11 from Backspacer, and Stone wrote the rest. If Eddie passed on, it'd still be Stone's band cause he wrote the majority of the "Good Stuff"
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Layne got into the drugs and basically killed off AIC for a very long time. I think his remaining bandmates (especially Jerry Cantrell) helped establish that band and the name. Establishing a band is not an easy thing to do. Not everyone gets to be Dave Grohl, and have two kicks at the can. If I passed away and was in band I wouldn't want to rob the hard work my friends did in establishing that band. It's basically saying it was ok that Layne's drug problems stole the livelihood of his bandmates. I think those guys were also Alice in Chains and have the right continue earning their living using that name. As a bonus I don't really see them having done anything to disrespect Layne by doing so.
AC/DC is probably the biggest band (and most successful) at dealing with this exact scenario. Bon Scott died (from drowning in his own vomit) and they motored on. Most people don't know who Brian Johnson is, but most people forget about Bon Scott when they see Brian Johnson perform with AC/DC. Are you going to tell AC/DC they can't use the name? lol.
The death of a musician shouldn't cost the rest of their band their livelihood.
Alternately I read a rumor on grungereport yesterday that said STP was shopping for a new singer. Even though Weiland is fuckup, I don't seem to agree with my above comments when the lead singer is away.
Even though you know the STP guys are in a similar boat. They've tried projects outside of STP (Talk Show and Army of Anyone) and haven't had success like STP. They also helped establish the brand. For some reason it complete irks me to try and replace the guy when he's still alive.
Edit: I can also see the other point of view. If anything ever happened to Eddie, I would completely reject any attempt to replace him.
Double Edit: Except for maybe that South American guy who does a wicked Eddie on youtube
Jerry Cantrell was also the main songwriter for AIC through their first couple albums. I think Layne wrote their entire final album but Cantrell wrote a majority of the hits. Its his band, Layne just had that amazing voice. It'd be like if Eddie wrote the lyrics for 3 songs from Ten, 4 from Vs., 5 from Vitalogy and 11 from Backspacer, and Stone wrote the rest. If Eddie passed on, it'd still be Stone's band cause he wrote the majority of the "Good Stuff"
This^
But all that said.... Layne started doing heroin at 14 years old!!! Seriously! And while he named the band, and provided killer vocals, it was ultimately Jerry's band.. As for PJ, my rule of thumb is.... It's Stone's band..he started it, designed, and created it... Pro-offerings aside... He's the only one allowed to fuck up PJ. But that's just me..
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Of the Seattle bands, I always found Alice in Chains the most interesting from a musical perspective. I always liked their guitar tone and mixing.
The Stones - Dylan - Bruce - hell even Neil Young.
My personal believe is that music needs to be made from a place of raw emotion.
Anger
Despair
Pain
Bliss
etc.
All the bands that 'make it' stop making anything amazing because their lives become .... well amazing and it is harder and harder to find something to really make them feel that old feeling of raw emotion.
The drugs that may have fueled some of these emotions have to stop or the bands wouldn't last.
Hopefully Pearl Jam can come back and prove that their time isn't up for great albums - but if it is - their shows still kick ass - whether they are 'mind blowing' or just average by some of your standards there is nothing i would rather be doing for 3 hours than at a Pearl Jam show.
I understand your point, but gotta stick up for Springsteen. He is making some great records well into his career. Death to My Hometown on his new album is a phenominal song. He is still experimenting with different types of music like incorporating folk music into his albums. It is mixing genres that keep a band moving forward. Like Just Breath or not, but songs like that are at least different from the what PJ has done in the past.
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Well put. I'm right there with ya.
Until the next PJ album.
Alice in Chains isn't the same now and never will be
I think Matt is going to have to leave PJ. SG is revitalized...all members are fired up and writing together. The new album is awesome, Cornell came out yesterday and said that he doesn't see any reason to not continue making music and touring with SG
PJ has too many side projects going on...Matt's not going to want to give up playing the music he was born to play. At some point there will be too many conflicts and Matt will have to bow out
my opinion of course
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As much as I would miss Matt behind the drums...
I saw Soundgarden in concert the other night and that is where he belongs. He belongs with Chris, Kim, and Ben!
Hopefully it won't come to that, but I would agree with his decision...
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AIC died with Layne. They will make music, but they will never be AIC again.
+1 Hanging on to that name is ridiculous. They aren't AIC anymore. They know they would never be able to hold up under another name.
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AC/DC is probably the biggest band (and most successful) at dealing with this exact scenario. Bon Scott died (from drowning in his own vomit) and they motored on. Most people don't know who Brian Johnson is, but most people forget about Bon Scott when they see Brian Johnson perform with AC/DC. Are you going to tell AC/DC they can't use the name? lol.
The death of a musician shouldn't cost the rest of their band their livelihood.
Alternately I read a rumor on grungereport yesterday that said STP was shopping for a new singer. Even though Weiland is fuckup, I don't seem to agree with my above comments when the lead singer is away.
Even though you know the STP guys are in a similar boat. They've tried projects outside of STP (Talk Show and Army of Anyone) and haven't had success like STP. They also helped establish the brand. For some reason it complete irks me to try and replace the guy when he's still alive.
Edit: I can also see the other point of view. If anything ever happened to Eddie, I would completely reject any attempt to replace him.
Double Edit: Except for maybe that South American guy who does a wicked Eddie on youtube
Well I think it's pretty clear that Pearl Jam's Raw Emotion period was from 91-98 - Their first 5 albums, and all the quality B-Sides, unreleased stuff, was almost faultless. Much as I love the Binaural period it was a slight dip for them (song wise). From then on in, it's taken quite a dive.
Jerry Cantrell was also the main songwriter for AIC through their first couple albums. I think Layne wrote their entire final album but Cantrell wrote a majority of the hits. Its his band, Layne just had that amazing voice. It'd be like if Eddie wrote the lyrics for 3 songs from Ten, 4 from Vs., 5 from Vitalogy and 11 from Backspacer, and Stone wrote the rest. If Eddie passed on, it'd still be Stone's band cause he wrote the majority of the "Good Stuff"
But all that said.... Layne started doing heroin at 14 years old!!! Seriously! And while he named the band, and provided killer vocals, it was ultimately Jerry's band.. As for PJ, my rule of thumb is.... It's Stone's band..he started it, designed, and created it... Pro-offerings aside... He's the only one allowed to fuck up PJ. But that's just me..