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New Frontier is Mars, 78,000 peopel think so anyway

Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited May 2013 in A Moving Train
About 78,000 people have applied to become Red Planet colonists with the nonprofit organization Mars One since its application process opened on April 22, officials announced Tuesday, May 7. Mars One aims to land four people on the Red Planet in 2023 as the vanguard of a permanent colony, with more astronauts arriving every two years thereafter.



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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I wish we would instead focus on some of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn, where we might find life and be able perhaps colonize. Mars is a Giant Rock, there's little value other then it's close.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,388
    I'm with E.O. Wilson. The New frontier is the micro rather than the macro. Space travel is a total waste of money IMHO.
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,933
    It would be easier to colonize at the bottom of the ocean than Mars
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    brianlux wrote:
    I'm with E.O. Wilson. The New frontier is the micro rather than the macro. Space travel is a total waste of money IMHO.

    you have to admire the balls of these volenteers,it's a one way ticket...no coming back.
    but I also wonder how could they survive without a natural water sourse,mars has ice under it's thin upper crust
    but is that enough to sustain life for a long period of time ?

    Godfather.
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,933
    Godfather. wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I'm with E.O. Wilson. The New frontier is the micro rather than the macro. Space travel is a total waste of money IMHO.

    you have to admire the balls of these volenteers,it's a one way ticket...no coming back.
    but I also wonder how could they survive without a natural water sourse,mars has ice under it's thin upper crust
    but is that enough to sustain life for a long period of time ?

    Godfather.

    Except the ice is made entirely of Co2. Who knows what diseases are out there, the main killer of new colonies.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    edited May 2013
    I am a really really surprised that some of you don't think this is awesome. Space exploration is an amazing human experiment, and incredibly worthwhile IMO, not only for scientific discovery, but also for growing the human imagination. Not everything is about money (although there are likely great riches to be had in space too, in mining). And of course they're aiming for Mars because its closest. That's where they can get to right now. One step at a time, right? They will learn a lot doing this, and find further advancements.

    The fact that this project actually seems to be happening (if the company involved doesn't go bankrupt between now and 2028) completely blows my mind. I think it's super cool. Doesn't a sense of adventure motivate people anymore? If it doesn't, too bad for you.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    mookeywrench wrote:
    It would be easier to colonize at the bottom of the ocean than Mars
    That's boring.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    It would be easier to colonize at the bottom of the ocean than Mars
    That's boring.

    It's not boring! :P

    The ocean is incredible! Crazy as fuck the deeper you go!
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    brianlux wrote:
    I'm with E.O. Wilson. The New frontier is the micro rather than the macro. Space travel is a total waste of money IMHO.

    It is right now because travelling to space is so inefficient
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,388
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    It would be easier to colonize at the bottom of the ocean than Mars
    That's boring.

    Boring, did you say? :lol:

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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    brianlux wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    It would be easier to colonize at the bottom of the ocean than Mars
    That's boring.

    Boring, did you say? :lol:

    Sea_zps5ff20b12.jpg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aoPd4dHWrA
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    It would be easier to colonize at the bottom of the ocean than Mars
    That's boring.

    It's not boring! :P

    The ocean is incredible! Crazy as fuck the deeper you go!
    Yeah, the ocean's awesome, but there is no need to live down there. It's close enough that people can commute. The adventure in getting there isn't as challenging either... not compared to colonizing Mars!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    edited May 2013
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I'm with E.O. Wilson. The New frontier is the micro rather than the macro. Space travel is a total waste of money IMHO.

    It is right now because travelling to space is so inefficient
    Yeah, which is why they need to try projects like this - so they can make advancements and improve efficiency over time.
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Yeah, the ocean's awesome, but there is no need to live down there. It's close enough that people can commute. The adventure in getting there isn't as challenging either... not compared to colonizing Mars!

    K

    :lol:
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Yeah, the ocean's awesome, but there is no need to live down there. It's close enough that people can commute. The adventure in getting there isn't as challenging either... not compared to colonizing Mars!

    K

    :lol:
    :will shrug: What are you laughing at? I know it's a challenge getting to the deepest depths, but it's still not comparable to building a community on another planet!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    That's boring.

    Boring, did you say? :lol:

    Sea_zps5ff20b12.jpg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aoPd4dHWrA
    I went on that ride when I was a kid. It was cool!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Yeah, the ocean's awesome, but there is no need to live down there. It's close enough that people can commute. The adventure in getting there isn't as challenging either... not compared to colonizing Mars!

    K

    :lol:
    What are you laughing at?

    My response
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,388
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    That's boring.

    It's not boring! :P

    The ocean is incredible! Crazy as fuck the deeper you go!
    Yeah, the ocean's awesome, but there is no need to live down there. It's close enough that people can commute. The adventure in getting there isn't as challenging either... not compared to colonizing Mars!

    I'm good with living on terra firma which has plenty of good points and it's own challenges. I don't see Mars or living under the ocean as being better or less challenging. Now, if only I could find that greener grass on this planet. Take that any way you want. :lol:
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,933
    I don't think this is an issue of whether or not it would be amazing, but rather an issue of whether or this idea should be sold to people at a point in time when it is not technologically, economically, or biologically feasible.

    Snake oil
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:

    K

    :lol:
    What are you laughing at?

    My response
    The dreaded "K". :fp:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    mookeywrench wrote:
    I don't think this is an issue of whether or not it would be amazing, but rather an issue of whether or this idea should be sold to people at a point in time when it is not technologically, economically, or biologically feasible.

    Snake oil
    Hmmm. :think: Well, these days, 15 years is a LONG time for technological advancement. And technology takes care of the biology (Although I'm not sure what you have in mind here.... are you talking about human breeding?? Or simply sustenance? Because if the latter, that doesn't seem hard to me. They have no issues on the space station, so I don't see why some effort wouldn't make it possible on Mars). The only reason that far more advancement in space travel hasn't already happened is because it's been governments trying to fund it. With private I dustry getting into it, it's a whole new ballgame. It is the economics that make me wonder though. Just how much money can this company get out of an international reality show about this? They better make it REALLY entertaining if they want to get enough people to watch it (enough advertisers) for so many years to make the $6 BILLION dollars it's supposed to take for just the first group.... then again, I can see China getting really into this idea. It's feasible.... but uncertain.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,933
    By Biologically I mean:
    No oxygen
    No atmosphere
    No water
    No food
    No topsoil

    I'm not saying it can't be done; but it can't be done in 10-15 years.
    To create a biological environment suitable for colonizing would take centuries. Once you have a biological sound environment; then you can start colonizing to develop a self-sustaining environment.

    These developers are skipping a massive step and to me seem to be more prioritized in collecting a $75 application fee from 500,000 people.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    mookeywrench wrote:
    By Biologically I mean:
    No oxygen
    No atmosphere
    No water
    No food
    No topsoil

    I'm not saying it can't be done; but it can't be done in 10-15 years.
    To create a biological environment suitable for colonizing would take centuries. Once you have a biological sound environment; then you can start colonizing to develop a self-sustaining environment.

    These developers are skipping a massive step and to me seem to be more prioritized in collecting a $75 application fee from 500,000 people.
    I'm thinking they more had the idea of simply having a space station on Mars, that they build additions on as more people join them. They're only sending 4 at a time every 2 years. I don't think the intention is to build a town in a dome and plant gardens and shit - certainly not in 15 or 30 years. Maybe in 100, and even then it would still just be a space station. I don't imagine the plan is to make it a self-sufficient place for these people to enjoy living in. They'll be eating the shit astronauts eat and turning their own pee into drinking water I should think, at least for a very long time.

    Yes, it could be a scam... but that would involve some major legal problems, no? In any case, maybe it will never happen, but there are people in the world who actually are trying to make such things a reality, and people with means, imagination, and high expectations, so I don't find it particularly far-fetched once the government isn't running the show. That said, I think the chances of the creators of this plan going bankrupt while attempting this lofty project are fairly high.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Fucken awesome idea! I love space! Sometimes i think of how cool it would be to be around when this shit starts to happen. I would love to be on a space mission to Saturn or mars.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I am a really really surprised that some of you don't think this is awesome. Space exploration is an amazing human experiment, and incredibly worthwhile IMO, not only for scientific discovery, but also for growing the human imagination. Not everything is about money (although there are likely great riches to be had in space too, in mining). And of course they're aiming for Mars because its closest. That's where they can get to right now. One step at a time, right? They will learn a lot doing this, and find further advancements.

    The fact that this project actually seems to be happening (if the company involved doesn't go bankrupt between now and 2028) completely blows my mind. I think it's super cool. Doesn't a sense of adventure motivate people anymore? If it doesn't, too bad for you.
    I find it beyond super-cool too.

    But a one-way ticket?

    Stuck there forever, or at least for the long long-term?

    With people I don't know? With the potential for a Lord of the Flies scenario happening?

    Nuh-UH.

    (I'll take my adventures in smaller doses and right here on this planet :mrgreen: )
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,154
    get your ass to mars.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    get your ass to mars.
    We call it the Ego Trip 8-)
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    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
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  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    I'd go in a second.
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