feel free to continue to offer your insight and truth be told - you really are the people we need to reach ... the people who do care but find it hard amongst everything else ...
as i've said in other threads ... the environmental movement has failed in many regards ... miserably even ... our inability to combat the PR and myths has been a major failure in my opinion ... and it leaves us where we are now ... still having to convince people of the perils of global warming - that in it of itself is a sad reflection of the movement ...
Well thanks I found the initial article interesting and was offering up a viewpoint from one who doesn't automatically purchase something only because it's deemed eco-friendly. I have actually been told by some (out there, not in here) "how could you POSSIBLY purchase that? Why aren't you purchasing THIS? Don't you CARE?" While well-meaning, there's a self-righteous tone to it that rubs me the wrong way...which is why earlier I likened it in ways to veganism or religion.
At any rate, yeah - big-girl pants on here :P
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I have actually been told by some (out there, not in here) "how could you POSSIBLY purchase that? Why aren't you purchasing THIS? Don't you CARE?" While well-meaning, there's a self-righteous tone to it that rubs me the wrong way...which is why earlier I likened it in ways to veganism or religion.
At any rate, yeah - big-girl pants on here :P
For sure, but like you say, no one here has done that. I just don't see any scolding or self righteousness here, Hedonist. None of us are perfect... other than those of us who are going to purchase the self-impaling zero footprint Prius hahaha!!!. We're just trying to get the word out and encourage a few more folks to help make a positive difference.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I have actually been told by some (out there, not in here) "how could you POSSIBLY purchase that? Why aren't you purchasing THIS? Don't you CARE?" While well-meaning, there's a self-righteous tone to it that rubs me the wrong way...which is why earlier I likened it in ways to veganism or religion.
At any rate, yeah - big-girl pants on here :P
For sure, but like you say, no one here has done that. I just don't see any scolding or self righteousness here, Hedonist. None of us are perfect... other than those of us who are going to purchase the self-impaling zero footprint Prius hahaha!!!. We're just trying to get the word out and encourage a few more folks to help make a positive difference.
I get it, I truly do. I'm not slighting you or anyone else here for that. I've said it enough already; no more circles! It was mentioned earlier to let it go. I have, I thought I did.
I mentioned this to BrianLux this morning, and thought maybe I could share it here too:
I watched the first 30 minutes of a documentary called the Island President. Its on netflix streaming.
Its all about how they are trying to raise awareness of how the Maldives are affected by global warming/climate change... in regards to this beautiful island nation that is seemingly slipping away to rising waters..
I mentioned this to BrianLux this morning, and thought maybe I could share it here too:
I watched the first 30 minutes of a documentary called the Island President. Its on netflix streaming.
Its all about how they are trying to raise awareness of how the Maldives are affected by global warming/climate change... in regards to this beautiful island nation that is seemingly slipping away to rising waters..
I mentioned this to BrianLux this morning, and thought maybe I could share it here too:
I watched the first 30 minutes of a documentary called the Island President. Its on netflix streaming.
Its all about how they are trying to raise awareness of how the Maldives are affected by global warming/climate change... in regards to this beautiful island nation that is seemingly slipping away to rising waters..
I mentioned this to BrianLux this morning, and thought maybe I could share it here too:
I watched the first 30 minutes of a documentary called the Island President. Its on netflix streaming.
Its all about how they are trying to raise awareness of how the Maldives are affected by global warming/climate change... in regards to this beautiful island nation that is seemingly slipping away to rising waters..
I figured some might enjoy it and learn some interesting things.
Did the first 30 minutes not entice you enough to watch the rest of the documentary?
Oh, and every coastal area in the world is at risk, proabably not as much as Maldives, but they are all disappearing very slowly but surely.
Oh no, I shouldve been clearer, sorry. I only watch short bits of things early in the morning. I like to process it a bit and go back 2-3 times during the week. I fully intend on watching the rest in the coming days -- it was good.
I mentioned this to BrianLux this morning, and thought maybe I could share it here too:
I watched the first 30 minutes of a documentary called the Island President. Its on netflix streaming.
Its all about how they are trying to raise awareness of how the Maldives are affected by global warming/climate change... in regards to this beautiful island nation that is seemingly slipping away to rising waters..
I figured some might enjoy it and learn some interesting things.
Did the first 30 minutes not entice you enough to watch the rest of the documentary?
Oh, and every coastal area in the world is at risk, proabably not as much as Maldives, but they are all disappearing very slowly but surely.
Oh no, I shouldve been clearer, sorry. I only watch short bits of things early in the morning. I like to process it a bit and go back 2-3 times during the week. I fully intend on watching the rest in the coming days -- it was good.
...For the previous 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 ppm, and there is no known geologic period in which rates of increase have been so sharp. The level was about 280 ppm at the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century, when the burning of fossil fuels began to soar.
"I wish it weren't true, but it looks like the world is going to blow through the 400-ppm level without losing a beat," said Scripps geochemist Ralph Keeling, who has taken over the Keeling curve measurement from his late father. "At this pace we'll hit 450 ppm within a few decades."
The saw-tooth pattern of the incline reflects small seasonal variations within the long-term upward trend. Generally, the micro-peak in the curve comes in May.
"The 400-ppm threshold is a sobering milestone and should serve as a wake-up call for all of us to support clean-energy technology and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases before it's too late for our children and grandchildren," said Tim Lueker, an oceanographer and carbon cycle researcher who is a longtime member of the Scripps CO2 Group.
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...For the previous 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 ppm, and there is no known geologic period in which rates of increase have been so sharp. The level was about 280 ppm at the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century, when the burning of fossil fuels began to soar.
"I wish it weren't true, but it looks like the world is going to blow through the 400-ppm level without losing a beat," said Scripps geochemist Ralph Keeling, who has taken over the Keeling curve measurement from his late father. "At this pace we'll hit 450 ppm within a few decades."
The saw-tooth pattern of the incline reflects small seasonal variations within the long-term upward trend. Generally, the micro-peak in the curve comes in May.
"The 400-ppm threshold is a sobering milestone and should serve as a wake-up call for all of us to support clean-energy technology and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases before it's too late for our children and grandchildren," said Tim Lueker, an oceanographer and carbon cycle researcher who is a longtime member of the Scripps CO2 Group.
I just received a message yesterday from 350.org about co2 levels hitting 400 ppm and was too depressed about it to say anything, but I'm glad you did, Jeanwah. It's something we need to face... and hopefully start doing something about. Please, everybody, we're all part of the cause but we can all help be part of the solution.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
...For the previous 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 ppm, and there is no known geologic period in which rates of increase have been so sharp. The level was about 280 ppm at the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century, when the burning of fossil fuels began to soar.
"I wish it weren't true, but it looks like the world is going to blow through the 400-ppm level without losing a beat," said Scripps geochemist Ralph Keeling, who has taken over the Keeling curve measurement from his late father. "At this pace we'll hit 450 ppm within a few decades."
The saw-tooth pattern of the incline reflects small seasonal variations within the long-term upward trend. Generally, the micro-peak in the curve comes in May.
"The 400-ppm threshold is a sobering milestone and should serve as a wake-up call for all of us to support clean-energy technology and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases before it's too late for our children and grandchildren," said Tim Lueker, an oceanographer and carbon cycle researcher who is a longtime member of the Scripps CO2 Group.
...For the previous 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 ppm, and there is no known geologic period in which rates of increase have been so sharp. The level was about 280 ppm at the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century, when the burning of fossil fuels began to soar.
"I wish it weren't true, but it looks like the world is going to blow through the 400-ppm level without losing a beat," said Scripps geochemist Ralph Keeling, who has taken over the Keeling curve measurement from his late father. "At this pace we'll hit 450 ppm within a few decades."
The saw-tooth pattern of the incline reflects small seasonal variations within the long-term upward trend. Generally, the micro-peak in the curve comes in May.
"The 400-ppm threshold is a sobering milestone and should serve as a wake-up call for all of us to support clean-energy technology and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases before it's too late for our children and grandchildren," said Tim Lueker, an oceanographer and carbon cycle researcher who is a longtime member of the Scripps CO2 Group.
I just received a message yesterday from 350.org about co2 levels hitting 400 ppm and was too depressed about it to say anything, but I'm glad you did, Jeanwah. It's something we need to face... and hopefully start doing something about. Please, everybody, we're all part of the cause but we can all help be part of the solution.
Don't be upset Brian. Although as individuals we can make positive impact, without global leadership participation... Sigh.
I see that Fox News has not reported this scientific story...
...For the previous 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 ppm, and there is no known geologic period in which rates of increase have been so sharp. The level was about 280 ppm at the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century, when the burning of fossil fuels began to soar.
"I wish it weren't true, but it looks like the world is going to blow through the 400-ppm level without losing a beat," said Scripps geochemist Ralph Keeling, who has taken over the Keeling curve measurement from his late father. "At this pace we'll hit 450 ppm within a few decades."
The saw-tooth pattern of the incline reflects small seasonal variations within the long-term upward trend. Generally, the micro-peak in the curve comes in May.
"The 400-ppm threshold is a sobering milestone and should serve as a wake-up call for all of us to support clean-energy technology and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases before it's too late for our children and grandchildren," said Tim Lueker, an oceanographer and carbon cycle researcher who is a longtime member of the Scripps CO2 Group.
Perhaps you should read up on the latest scientific info about CO2...
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Here are some good articles that fairly well sums up the situation. At this point, the evidence shows that we have a major problem on our hands that needs to be dealt with and that this problem is human caused. This is incontrovertible. Yes, I'll say that again: this is incontrovertible. The evidence is overwhelming and the vast majority of published scientists world wide agree.
Let's get busy and start doing something. Everybody can help. I will reduce my driving this week by cancelling a book scouting trip- bad for business, good for the planet. Every little bit helps!
Perhaps you should read up on the latest scientific info about CO2...
I don't need to Jeanwah. I don't have a crystal ball but I know what's happening.
In 2001 or 2002 I did a road trip. I flew from Houston, Texas to Reno, Nevada. I drove all around the Grand Canyon and then all the way to the west coast.
I drove up the Wine Valley, and admired the ocean coastline.
We stopped at some tree place?
Redwood National & State Parks (RNSP) in Humboldt County, CA, home of the world's tallest trees.
Nearly half of the remaining old growth redwoods are in this park system, including giants five stories taller than the Statue of Liberty. They can live to be 2000 years old and grow to over 360 feet tall.
Redwood National and State Parks is located in northern Humboldt County and throughout the coast of neighboring Del Norte County. Hwy 101 takes you to all the parks in this area (Jedediah Smith Redwoods is just a few miles east on Highway 199). The central region of the parks near Prairie Creek Redwoods is only 45 minutes north of Eureka.
Then I saw the Seqouias...
The Giant Forest of Sequoia National Park is hub and home for Sequoiadendron giganteum – giant sequoia trees.
"Named in 1875 by John Muir, The Giant Forest is a stand of more than 8,000 colossal sequoia specimens – many still standing as Muir found them. The largest of them all, the General Sherman Tree, is around 2,100 years old and weighs approximately 2.7 million pounds. It stands almost 275 feet tall and has a trunk more than 100 feet wide King of the forest, General Sherman is considered not only the largest living tree in the world, but the largest living organism on the planet by volume. "
We had planned to spend an afternoon, and we ended up spending two full days. Those Trees are still the best thing I have ever experienced. I have never been able to breathe that easy. I was high off of the oxygen they produced. It was so intoxicating. No one wanted to leave.
It's the most beautiful example of a CO2 cycle I can explain. I ended up in Redding in the end. that was a nightmare.
I bought a tree to plant when I made it back home. I knew it wouldn't live in my climate. I tried anyway.
Those trees, I visited, have more wisdom and are older than anything I know. I didn't know peace until I was in that park. Those Trees will be alive long after I'm gone... Sucking all the carbon dioxide they can, and giving the sweetest air in return. It's sad they can't live everywhere.
Here are some good articles that fairly well sums up the situation. At this point, the evidence shows that we have a major problem on our hands that needs to be dealt with and that this problem is human caused. This is incontrovertible. Yes, I'll say that again: this is incontrovertible. The evidence is overwhelming and the vast majority of published scientists world wide agree.
Let's get busy and start doing something. Everybody can help. I will reduce my driving this week by cancelling a book scouting trip- bad for business, good for the planet. Every little bit helps!
I'll stop making Whip Cream at my job. We use co2 chargers.... nope. I'll get fired and customers need whip cream on beverages. The world needs BOOKS. I'll sacrifice and carpool if that will cancel out your book scout trip. Don't stop scouting the Books... that's when stupid breeds. DRIVE!!!
Climate research nearly unanimous on human causes, survey finds
Of more than 4,000 academic papers published over 20 years, 97.1% agreed that climate change is anthropogenic
Suzanne Goldenberg, US environment correspondent
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 15 May 2013
A survey of thousands of peer-reviewed papers in scientific journals has found 97.1% agreed that climate change is caused by human activity.
Authors of the survey, published on Thursday in the journal Environmental Research Letters, said the finding of near unanimity provided a powerful rebuttal to climate contrarians who insist the science of climate change remains unsettled.
The survey considered the work of some 29,000 scientists published in 11,994 academic papers. Of the 4,000-plus papers that took a position on the causes of climate change only 0.7% or 83 of those thousands of academic articles, disputed the scientific consensus that climate change is the result of human activity, with the view of the remaining 2.2% unclear.
The study described the dissent as a "vanishingly small proportion" of published research.
"Our findings prove that there is a strong scientific agreement about the cause of climate change, despite public perceptions to the contrary," said John Cook of the University of Queensland, who led the survey.
Public opinion continues to lag behind the science. Though a majority of Americans accept the climate is changing, just 42% believed human activity was the main driver, in a poll conducted by the Pew Research Centre last October.
"There is a gaping chasm between the actual consensus and the public perception," Cook said in a statement.
The study blamed strenuous lobbying efforts by industry to undermine the science behind climate change for the gap in perception. The resulting confusion has blocked efforts to act on climate change...'
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At any rate, yeah - big-girl pants on here :P
For sure, but like you say, no one here has done that. I just don't see any scolding or self righteousness here, Hedonist. None of us are perfect... other than those of us who are going to purchase the self-impaling zero footprint Prius hahaha!!!. We're just trying to get the word out and encourage a few more folks to help make a positive difference.
Now I'm gonna go bang my head on the wall
I watched the first 30 minutes of a documentary called the Island President. Its on netflix streaming.
Its all about how they are trying to raise awareness of how the Maldives are affected by global warming/climate change... in regards to this beautiful island nation that is seemingly slipping away to rising waters..
http://theislandpresident.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Island_President
I figured some might enjoy it and learn some interesting things.
those nations will have to evacuate ... :(
Did the first 30 minutes not entice you enough to watch the rest of the documentary?
Oh, and every coastal area in the world is at risk, proabably not as much as Maldives, but they are all disappearing very slowly but surely.
Oh no, I shouldve been clearer, sorry. I only watch short bits of things early in the morning. I like to process it a bit and go back 2-3 times during the week. I fully intend on watching the rest in the coming days -- it was good.
Ok.
http://researchmatters.noaa.gov/news/Pa ... 00ppm.aspx
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sci ... 6126.story
...For the previous 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 ppm, and there is no known geologic period in which rates of increase have been so sharp. The level was about 280 ppm at the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century, when the burning of fossil fuels began to soar.
"I wish it weren't true, but it looks like the world is going to blow through the 400-ppm level without losing a beat," said Scripps geochemist Ralph Keeling, who has taken over the Keeling curve measurement from his late father. "At this pace we'll hit 450 ppm within a few decades."
The saw-tooth pattern of the incline reflects small seasonal variations within the long-term upward trend. Generally, the micro-peak in the curve comes in May.
"The 400-ppm threshold is a sobering milestone and should serve as a wake-up call for all of us to support clean-energy technology and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases before it's too late for our children and grandchildren," said Tim Lueker, an oceanographer and carbon cycle researcher who is a longtime member of the Scripps CO2 Group.
I just received a message yesterday from 350.org about co2 levels hitting 400 ppm and was too depressed about it to say anything, but I'm glad you did, Jeanwah. It's something we need to face... and hopefully start doing something about. Please, everybody, we're all part of the cause but we can all help be part of the solution.
WE? I did Jeanwah? page 1...
No one read it, I suppose.
http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/show ... p?t=920726
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-205_162-4651448.html
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
No one reads graphs anymore. sigh.
Don't be upset Brian. Although as individuals we can make positive impact, without global leadership participation... Sigh.
I see that Fox News has not reported this scientific story...
Perhaps you should read up on the latest scientific info about CO2...
Let's get busy and start doing something. Everybody can help. I will reduce my driving this week by cancelling a book scouting trip- bad for business, good for the planet. Every little bit helps!
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/10/us/climat ... index.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... hange.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/scien ... d=all&_r=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/d ... -1.1341281
I don't need to Jeanwah. I don't have a crystal ball but I know what's happening.
In 2001 or 2002 I did a road trip. I flew from Houston, Texas to Reno, Nevada. I drove all around the Grand Canyon and then all the way to the west coast.
I drove up the Wine Valley, and admired the ocean coastline.
We stopped at some tree place?
Redwood National & State Parks (RNSP) in Humboldt County, CA, home of the world's tallest trees.
Nearly half of the remaining old growth redwoods are in this park system, including giants five stories taller than the Statue of Liberty. They can live to be 2000 years old and grow to over 360 feet tall.
Redwood National and State Parks is located in northern Humboldt County and throughout the coast of neighboring Del Norte County. Hwy 101 takes you to all the parks in this area (Jedediah Smith Redwoods is just a few miles east on Highway 199). The central region of the parks near Prairie Creek Redwoods is only 45 minutes north of Eureka.
Then I saw the Seqouias...
The Giant Forest of Sequoia National Park is hub and home for Sequoiadendron giganteum – giant sequoia trees.
"Named in 1875 by John Muir, The Giant Forest is a stand of more than 8,000 colossal sequoia specimens – many still standing as Muir found them. The largest of them all, the General Sherman Tree, is around 2,100 years old and weighs approximately 2.7 million pounds. It stands almost 275 feet tall and has a trunk more than 100 feet wide King of the forest, General Sherman is considered not only the largest living tree in the world, but the largest living organism on the planet by volume. "
We had planned to spend an afternoon, and we ended up spending two full days. Those Trees are still the best thing I have ever experienced. I have never been able to breathe that easy. I was high off of the oxygen they produced. It was so intoxicating. No one wanted to leave.
It's the most beautiful example of a CO2 cycle I can explain. I ended up in Redding in the end. that was a nightmare.
I bought a tree to plant when I made it back home. I knew it wouldn't live in my climate. I tried anyway.
Those trees, I visited, have more wisdom and are older than anything I know. I didn't know peace until I was in that park. Those Trees will be alive long after I'm gone... Sucking all the carbon dioxide they can, and giving the sweetest air in return. It's sad they can't live everywhere.
It's Evolution?
I'll stop making Whip Cream at my job. We use co2 chargers.... nope. I'll get fired and customers need whip cream on beverages. The world needs BOOKS. I'll sacrifice and carpool if that will cancel out your book scout trip. Don't stop scouting the Books... that's when stupid breeds.
Uh-huh. Seriously, the links I posted as well as the links Brian posted...
Climate research nearly unanimous on human causes, survey finds
Of more than 4,000 academic papers published over 20 years, 97.1% agreed that climate change is anthropogenic
Suzanne Goldenberg, US environment correspondent
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 15 May 2013
A survey of thousands of peer-reviewed papers in scientific journals has found 97.1% agreed that climate change is caused by human activity.
Authors of the survey, published on Thursday in the journal Environmental Research Letters, said the finding of near unanimity provided a powerful rebuttal to climate contrarians who insist the science of climate change remains unsettled.
The survey considered the work of some 29,000 scientists published in 11,994 academic papers. Of the 4,000-plus papers that took a position on the causes of climate change only 0.7% or 83 of those thousands of academic articles, disputed the scientific consensus that climate change is the result of human activity, with the view of the remaining 2.2% unclear.
The study described the dissent as a "vanishingly small proportion" of published research.
"Our findings prove that there is a strong scientific agreement about the cause of climate change, despite public perceptions to the contrary," said John Cook of the University of Queensland, who led the survey.
Public opinion continues to lag behind the science. Though a majority of Americans accept the climate is changing, just 42% believed human activity was the main driver, in a poll conducted by the Pew Research Centre last October.
"There is a gaping chasm between the actual consensus and the public perception," Cook said in a statement.
The study blamed strenuous lobbying efforts by industry to undermine the science behind climate change for the gap in perception. The resulting confusion has blocked efforts to act on climate change...'