IS Stone trying to tell us something?

PearlJammer623

I was listening to Stone's new single "I need something different". The song is so fresh and just sounds so much better than anything i heard lately from the band. It is raw,real and just grooves real well.

Do you think he is trying to tell the band that he is so fucking bored with their formula? I wanna do something new?

He did seem bored with it all in an interview. He basically shrugged his shoulders and said the concerts have basically become sing alongs to every song.

buck502000

PJ is just part of his "job."

Nobody in their right mind would quit a job like that.

Wilds

If he wants to push the band to be something different than a big sing-along, all that he has to do is impart his influence to stop playing singalong songs.

I'd be all for that.
If they had a no singalong tour, I would make it a point to go to as many of those shows as I could.

They have a big catalog.

Indifference152

Yeah I agree. Play smaller venues and play some deep cuts. Fuck the casual fans haha

rearviewross

PearlJammer623 wrote:

I was listening to Stone's new single "I need something different". The song is so fresh and just sounds so much better than anything i heard lately from the band. It is raw,real and just grooves real well.

Do you think he is trying to tell the band that he is so fucking bored with their formula? I wanna do something new?

He did seem bored with it all in an interview. He basically shrugged his shoulders and said the concerts have basically become sing alongs to every song.

I thought it was boring and uninspired, but you may be right about him getting bored with PJ.

dimitrispearljam

Its his band...

PRLJM1

Play new songs at every show. Problem solved.

crazygeo

Its his band...

Exactly

rival.

If he is getting bored, maybe he should be more open to playing the songs he actually wrote (some of the most interesting PJ tunes) rather than shooting the idea down at every chance he gets.

The Ed/Stone on stage disagreements are happening more often than not.

PearlJammer623

You think its stones band still? I mean Mike is a go with the flow type guy, matt and boom are ed's guys.
Jeff kinda does his own thing know matter what ( love him for it).

javis el errante

we are taling about a song that might have been written ten years ago, at least two... this album is made of song from 2003 to 2011, so there is a possibility that they are quite anachronic and unrelated to each other... Have you all read this? Pay special attention to the paragraphs in bold type...

kramer73 wrote:

http://www.spin.com/articles/pearl-jams-stone-gossard-talks-skyscraping-solo-lp-moonlander/

Last week, Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard announced the impending release of Moonlander, the 46-year-old guitarist's first solo outing in over a decade. Comprised of songs that Gossard's been writing and recording since shortly after the 2001 release of Bay Leaf, his debut, the 11-song LP arrives June 25 on Pearl Jam's own Monkeywrench Records. (Two digital EPs, Apollo and Luna, will be released on iTunes on May 7 and June 5, respectively.) "I like to write music," he says, simply. "And I think exploring with lyrics and figuring out how to make complete songs is fun. I think I have a take on it. I don't know if it's great, but it's an interesting take. It's original. I'm not trying to conquer the world — I'm just saying 'Hey, I've got to finish stuff.' As a songwriter — no matter what — I've got to finish some stuff every once in a while."

So the Seattle native began sifting through 60 or 70 ideas he'd kept in demo form — some of them snippets of melody and riffs he'd captured with his iPhone's voice recorder — and began fleshing them out in the studio with the help of producer Peter Droge and several area friends, including Pearl Jam drummers past (Matt Chamberlain) and present (Matt Cameron). The result is a sidewinding, psychedelic smattering of material that, whether it's cycling between left-field folk, gospel, and rock'n'roll, has audible ties to his work as chief songwriter on Pearl Jam's early, career-defining LPs.

"At the heart of it," he says, "the things I was attracted to then are still the same things I'm attracted to now: oddball riffs that strike my ear as being different, wanting anything to be as cool as 'Down on the Street' by the Stooges or some Jimmy Page riff. I feel shockingly the same. But I think that I was focused much less on lyrics then. Now I'm fascinated by how a lyric can really impact a song."

Last week, Gossard shared just that in Moonlander opener "I Need Something Different," a thick slab of wild-eyed garage rock built around a canyon-like bass loop. It was a first listen, but not the last: As he is today with the album's title track, Gossard has decided to make one song available every Tuesday between now and release. "It just made sense," he says of the decision to post each song with his own free-form artwork made alongside his daughter. "Now's the time to experiment with doing something different from what you normally do. I like the idea these days of just letting people hear music really easily to start out with and the thinking behind the artwork was simple: When you're hanging out with a kid and you're looking for something to do, you pull out sheets of paper. She's scribbling and drawing and taping and pasting and using sprinkles and sparkles and crayons and pens. There's a certain freedom that a kid has when they're making art and that's a very rock'n'roll thing. I've always related music to those moments when someone turns you loose on something and they haven't told you how to do it. "

Like the rest of the record, Moonlander's titular song, streaming above and at Pearl Jam's website, was largely shaped by relationships both musical and personal. "The verses are sort of post-apocalyptic, the world is coming to an end," he describes. "But the chorus is about the delicate nature of love, about the odds of love and relating it to single-celled animals developing into humans and later getting a lunar module to land on the moon. I mean, what are the odds of that?"

As much as "Moonlander" is a recording of skyscraping lyrical sentiments, it's also marked by a swelling confidence in Gossard's own, rarely heard voice. (Pearl Jam fans in particular may remember his vocal turn on "Mankind" from 1995's No Code.) "It's been a really interesting journey," he says. "On one hand, I definitely recognize the gulf between what I do and real singers, the people that I've had the honor to play with, guys like Ed [Vedder] and Shawn [Smith] and Chris Cornell. But if you have the right line and you're in the right mood and you feel a confidence or a strength about what you're trying to get across, anyone can have a song that grabs you. The past is filled with people who aren't traditionally thought of as fantastic singers singing these songs that capture people, songs like 'Louie Louie.' I just aim toward that and I think I've gotten better at it. When people hear it they'll hear that it's certainly not without its flaws, but it's more confident. I hope that it doesn't sound forced." It doesn't.

rearviewross

javis el errante wrote:

we are taling about a song that might have been written ten years ago, at least two... this album is made of song from 2003 to 2011, so there is a possibility that they are quite anachronic and unrelated to each other... Have you all read this? Pay special attention to the paragraphs in bold type...

kramer73 wrote:

http://www.spin.com/articles/pearl-jams-stone-gossard-talks-skyscraping-solo-lp-moonlander/

Last week, Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard announced the impending release of Moonlander, the 46-year-old guitarist's first solo outing in over a decade. Comprised of songs that Gossard's been writing and recording since shortly after the 2001 release of Bay Leaf, his debut, the 11-song LP arrives June 25 on Pearl Jam's own Monkeywrench Records. (Two digital EPs, Apollo and Luna, will be released on iTunes on May 7 and June 5, respectively.) "I like to write music," he says, simply. "And I think exploring with lyrics and figuring out how to make complete songs is fun. I think I have a take on it. I don't know if it's great, but it's an interesting take. It's original. I'm not trying to conquer the world — I'm just saying 'Hey, I've got to finish stuff.' As a songwriter — no matter what — I've got to finish some stuff every once in a while."

So the Seattle native began sifting through 60 or 70 ideas he'd kept in demo form — some of them snippets of melody and riffs he'd captured with his iPhone's voice recorder — and began fleshing them out in the studio with the help of producer Peter Droge and several area friends, including Pearl Jam drummers past (Matt Chamberlain) and present (Matt Cameron). The result is a sidewinding, psychedelic smattering of material that, whether it's cycling between left-field folk, gospel, and rock'n'roll, has audible ties to his work as chief songwriter on Pearl Jam's early, career-defining LPs.

"At the heart of it," he says, "the things I was attracted to then are still the same things I'm attracted to now: oddball riffs that strike my ear as being different, wanting anything to be as cool as 'Down on the Street' by the Stooges or some Jimmy Page riff. I feel shockingly the same. But I think that I was focused much less on lyrics then. Now I'm fascinated by how a lyric can really impact a song."

Last week, Gossard shared just that in Moonlander opener "I Need Something Different," a thick slab of wild-eyed garage rock built around a canyon-like bass loop. It was a first listen, but not the last: As he is today with the album's title track, Gossard has decided to make one song available every Tuesday between now and release. "It just made sense," he says of the decision to post each song with his own free-form artwork made alongside his daughter. "Now's the time to experiment with doing something different from what you normally do. I like the idea these days of just letting people hear music really easily to start out with and the thinking behind the artwork was simple: When you're hanging out with a kid and you're looking for something to do, you pull out sheets of paper. She's scribbling and drawing and taping and pasting and using sprinkles and sparkles and crayons and pens. There's a certain freedom that a kid has when they're making art and that's a very rock'n'roll thing. I've always related music to those moments when someone turns you loose on something and they haven't told you how to do it. "

Like the rest of the record, Moonlander's titular song, streaming above and at Pearl Jam's website, was largely shaped by relationships both musical and personal. "The verses are sort of post-apocalyptic, the world is coming to an end," he describes. "But the chorus is about the delicate nature of love, about the odds of love and relating it to single-celled animals developing into humans and later getting a lunar module to land on the moon. I mean, what are the odds of that?"

As much as "Moonlander" is a recording of skyscraping lyrical sentiments, it's also marked by a swelling confidence in Gossard's own, rarely heard voice. (Pearl Jam fans in particular may remember his vocal turn on "Mankind" from 1995's No Code.) "It's been a really interesting journey," he says. "On one hand, I definitely recognize the gulf between what I do and real singers, the people that I've had the honor to play with, guys like Ed [Vedder] and Shawn [Smith] and Chris Cornell. But if you have the right line and you're in the right mood and you feel a confidence or a strength about what you're trying to get across, anyone can have a song that grabs you. The past is filled with people who aren't traditionally thought of as fantastic singers singing these songs that capture people, songs like 'Louie Louie.' I just aim toward that and I think I've gotten better at it. When people hear it they'll hear that it's certainly not without its flaws, but it's more confident. I hope that it doesn't sound forced." It doesn't.

Good point.

donnaruhl

Nice write up. Look at Bob Dylan,He is one of the greatest writers of all time.
Voice? I don't think so. But his lyrics are what made him who he is.I say Carry on Stone.

rna2525

one of the worst songs in music history & im a fan...ole would b the second worst of all-time.plain and simple PJ fans stop sugar coating shit.

PearlJammer623

rna2525 wrote:

one of the worst songs in music history & im a fan...ole would b the second worst of all-time.plain and simple PJ fans stop sugar coating shit.

your not a fan....please...worst song in music history....ur an idiot.

javis el errante

PearlJammer623 wrote:

rna2525 wrote:

one of the worst songs in music history & im a fan...ole would b the second worst of all-time.plain and simple PJ fans stop sugar coating shit.

your not a fan....please...worst song in music history....ur an idiot.

how can somebody say this? does that mean that Pearl Jam's Ole and Stone Gossard's I need something different are worst than anything released by Creed or Nickelback? What does History of Music comprehend? Do we take into account Brahms? And Caetano Veloso? What is music anyway?

P34RL J4MM3R

rival. wrote:

If he is getting bored, maybe he should be more open to playing the songs he actually wrote (some of the most interesting PJ tunes) rather than shooting the idea down at every chance he gets.

The Ed/Stone on stage disagreements are happening more often than not.

I like this point. He does seem to not want to play Mankind or other songs he wrote but once a tour. It was like pulling teeth to get him to play No Way and Push Me Pull me at PJ20, and everyone loved hearing those.
Let your songs be heard LIVE, Stone, you know we love them.

DewieCox

rna2525 wrote:

one of the worst songs in music history & im a fan...ole would b the second worst of all-time.plain and simple PJ fans stop sugar coating shit.

This song is alot better than that chunk of crap Ole. I don't think it's sugar coating at all. I think it's the opposite. I think it's fans longing for more interesting music than what PJ has offered recently. The new Stone single is basic, but it still seems to have alot more thought put into the final product than just about every song from Backspacer.

STAYSEA

I got a message. I can't explain it. It's a strange string of clues, buttons, emails in the same day. It's not related to Pearl Jam. or Music.

Well kinda music community. It's good vibes though.

dimitrispearljam

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Its his band...

rearviewross

STAYSEA wrote:

I got a message. I can't explain it. It's a strange string of clues, buttons, emails in the same day. It's not related to Pearl Jam. or Music.

Well kinda music community. It's good vibes though.

:corn:

rearviewross

dimitrispearljam wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Its his band...

What exactly do you mean? Elaborate please.

mca47

I can see Stone's point. Live shows anymore just seem like a set of songs that a) everyone knows b) same shit, different order every night c) songs they can play in their sleep...aka not challenging anyone.
That said, Stone shouldn't get pissed off when they do want to play songs he doesn't..."No Way" at PJ20 for example. Not exactly a sing a long...and it's not very common.

I've listened to some Moonlander on XM PJ radio. Some good riffs, some good interlacing...but c'mon Stone...you can't sing for shit!

Pearl Jam has truly become the side project. It seems like the guys want to play, just not so much with each other.

Since Backspacer (which IMO was just an ok album), Ed put out his Uke album and toured...Jeff put out an album and toured...Mike is doing his own thing...Stone put out an album, Matt is playing and touring a new album with SG. PJ has played a few shows.

I have no problem with the guys doing their own thing, but to deny that "Pearl Jam" isn't the side project anymore...you'd be a fool.

brianlux

In an interview, Willie Nelson was asked this question and gave this answer:

Q: Are there ever songs you get tired of playing after all these years?

A: Not really. With this short-term memory, I forget what I did last night.

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 84967.html)


Give Stone some time and he may find himself saying the same thing.

Jerome230

PearlJammer623 wrote:

rna2525 wrote:

one of the worst songs in music history & im a fan...ole would b the second worst of all-time.plain and simple PJ fans stop sugar coating shit.

your not a fan....please...worst song in music history....ur an idiot.

Calling someone an 'idiot' just for stating their opinion is unacceptable.

To quote Kat:

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As you were.

dimitrispearljam

PearlJammer623 wrote:

You think its stones band still?

i dont think..im sure

CanNotStay

Jerome230 wrote:

PearlJammer623 wrote:

rna2525 wrote:

one of the worst songs in music history & im a fan...ole would b the second worst of all-time.plain and simple PJ fans stop sugar coating shit.

your not a fan....please...worst song in music history....ur an idiot.

Calling someone an 'idiot' just for stating their opinion is unacceptable.

To quote Kat:

Posting Guidelines
1. Be nice. We're very big on RESPECT here. Respect for each other, the band and the Ten Club Community forum environment. Please think of it as if you are as a guest in someone else's home. Please do not put your posting privileges at risk.

2. Discuss, disagree and debate politely. It's possible to disagree with people without being abusive, and it's a requirement here. This includes abusive Private Messages.

a. We operate on the "I'm rubber, you're glue" philosophy so if you make a wonderful, thoughtful post with good points and call the other guy a moron while you're at it, it'll be removed. See #3.

3. There are people bashing and insulting each other all over the internet. We feel it can be better here.

As you were.

Yeah no reason to call them an idiot, just say they have an extremely close-minded, low-mentality way of thinking that is often an attribute of idiots.

STAYSEA

The are messages everywhere.

Did anyone retweet for the give away? On twitter.

Jerome230

CanNotStay wrote:

Yeah no reason to call them an idiot, just say they have an extremely close-minded, low-mentality way of thinking that is often an attribute of idiots.

It's just as bad to call someone's opinion, or way of thinking, "low-mentality". That wears all the colors of "close-minded" to me.

javis el errante

STAYSEA wrote:

The are messages everywhere.

Did anyone retweet for the give away? On twitter.

no tweet from stone today, I've checked...

STAYSEA

Moonlander Softie and Art Print Giveaway
April 26 2013

Follow Stone Gossard (@SGossard) on Twitter for your chance to win a one-of-a-kind Moonlander softie and limited edition art print signed by Stone.

All fans who retweet the weekly Twitter messages with #MoonlanderGiveaway will have a chance to win a softie and print package. Each package corresponds with Stone's original Moonlander artwork for each track on his forthcoming album.

I stopped following him.. Oops. Maybe it's over already?

Okay well now I'm following it. He's only tweeted like 30 times in 2 years. I think it stared today or yesterday.
He started tweeting suddenly. Good Luck to the Twitters! I'll try to forward the tweet to my followers here. there are just a few.