Pedophilia Is A Sexual Orientation Under CA Bill

aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
edited April 2013 in A Moving Train
There is no denying .....we are on the road to anything goes!


Pedophilia Is A Sexual Orientation Under CA Bill

California Congresswoman, Rep. Jackie Speier CA (D), wants to federalize a state law to prohibit counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation. That doesn’t sound that extreme, but pedophilia is a sexual orientation according to this bill as well.

Under the bill’s language, a mental health counselor could be sanctioned if there was an attempt to get a pedophile or gay individual to change his behavior or speak negatively about their behavior as it relates to sexuality.

The bill calls on states to prohibit efforts to change a minor’s sexual orientation, even if the minor requests it, saying that doing so is “dangerous and harmful.”

The text of the legislation doesn’t specifically ban “gay” conversion therapy. Instead, it prohibits attempts to change a person’s sexual orientation.

“Sexual orientation change efforts’ means any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation,” the bill says.

Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that, “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation.” However, the Democrats defeated the amendment. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles should be protected under the law, and accordingly decided that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that should be equally as embraced as homosexuality.

“This language is so broad and vague, it arguably could include all forms of sexual orientation, including pedophilia,” said Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute. “It’s not just the orientation that is protected—the conduct associated with the orientation is protected as well.”

Who Cares If Pedophilia Is A Sexual Orientation?

It also means that, if pedophilia is a sexual orientation, that discrimination laws also apply to pedophiles. That means you cannot block a pedophile from being a preschool teacher or any other high-risk occupation.

Recently, a United States District Court Judge, William Shubb, sided with Pacific Justice Institute (PJI) by granting their plaintiffs a preliminary injunction against the legislation, which is known as California SB 1172.

“Because the court finds that SB 1172 is subject to strict scrutiny and is unlikely to satisfy this standard, the court finds that plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits of their claims based on violations of their rights to freedom of speech under the First Amendment,” wrote Judge Shubb.

“This victory sends a clear signal to all those who feel they can stifle religious freedom, free speech, and the rights of parents without being contested,” said PJI President, Brad Dacus. “We at PJI are ready to fight this battle all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary.

“This will be a long, grueling battle with tremendous consequences for generations to come. We are grateful to those who are willing to support us in this critical time to preserve our freedoms and protect our children,” he continued.

Thankfully, for the time being, this legislation has been blocked, but many questions still remain.

This bill establishes a dangerous precedent for normalizing the behavior of pedophiles while stripping parents of their rights and peace of mind.

One can certainly make the argument that homosexuals are “born that way,” and we generally would not dispute that. However, when we have legislators that want to extend the “born that way” defense to pedophiles, this crosses a very dangerous line.

Whether a pedophile is born that way or not, it still does not make their behavior acceptable in any way.

If so, then you could declare rapists are “born that way.” They can’t help that they need to rape! Poor them!

Let’s be real.

Sex between an adult and a child too young to understand what is going on is not the same thing as sex between two consenting adults.

The operative word here is “consenting.” Children—by both law and basic common sense—cannot “consent.” If Jackie Spier had a son or daughter, and an adult “had consensual sex” with him or her, we do not believe that what she would be so adamant about protecting them.

What liberals conveniently ignore is the fact that all societies who participated in pedophilia—such as the Hittites, Canaanites, Greeks, and Romans—eventually caved in on themselves due to corruption and depravity.

Further, let’s not also forget that their favorite form of entertainment was watching people get torn to shreds by lions, hacked to death, and burned alive.

Recognizing sexual ‘orientation’ is walking a razor’s edge. Unlike gay-oriented legislation, pedophilia has victims who must be protected.

We don’t put pedophiles in prison to make them stop being pedophiles; we put them there because they threaten the safety of the most vulnerable people in a society.


http://www.rethinksociety.com/government/pedophilia-is-a-sexual-orientation-under-ca-bill/
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Finally! 8-)
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Finally! 8-)
    OK, I did laugh at this...

    ...but so much in there just made me...ugh.

    I dunno...this is close to two months old and I haven't seen anything anywhere about this.

    (some of the comments are hilarious)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    I wouldn't worry about it. There is NO way such a bill would pass if it means that any child is at risk. No one is about to make acting out pedophilic urges or putting children at risk okay. Perhaps pedophilia is a sexual orientation, I don't know. But that wouldn't matter, because it would still be illegal to do anything to minors or to have, produce, or disseminate child porn. I don't see this as anything to really be concerned about, as though being a pedophile is now going to be okay or something. It's not.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,010
    Finally! 8-)
    :lol:
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I wouldn't worry about it. There is NO way such a bill would pass if it means that any child is at risk. No one is about to make acting out pedophilic urges or putting children at risk okay. Perhaps pedophilia is a sexual orientation, I don't know. But that wouldn't matter, because it would still be illegal to do anything to minors or to have, produce, or disseminate child porn. I don't see this as anything to really be concerned about, as though being a pedophile is now going to be okay or something. It's not.

    Right :roll:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    Pedophiles will want there "civil rights" since they were " born that way ". Discrimination will be used if they can't be teachers or have other occupations that will have them close to children. It's just common sense. This country is heading down the road to "anything goes"........
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Aerial... please, check the facts before pressing the Panic Button.
    I know, you think that Snopes and Politifact are liberal child molestors that should not be listened to... so, here... it is the ACTUAL BILL itself. Read it. Find the part where it says 'Pedophilia is a Sexual Orientation' and get back to me when you find it.
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bil ... n_v97.html
    ...
    The FACT of the matter is... the bill is to prevent the whole, 'Gay Conversion' and their claims that they can fix gayness in people, including children... who show 'Gay Tendencies'. The law will protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) minors from "reparative" therapies administered by mental health professionals aimed at altering sexual orientation or gender identities and expressions.
    ...
    I know... you don't place much faith in things such as truth or fact... but, seriously, you need to cast the same jaundiced eye on those E-Mail spams your Aunt Ethel keeps sending you from her AOL account.
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  • 1. go fuck yourself.

    2. that story is mostly made up, "reparative therapy" to "cure" gay teens is credited with driving thousands of young men and women to suicide and go fuck yourself.

    3. this thread is just more despicable slander against my family. If you really want to stop pedophilia, burn down the vatican.

    4. You weren't "born" a christian but you're allowed to choose that dangerous lifestyle and force it on your kids. They even have schools where they indoctrinate children into an ACTUAL mental illness.

    5. there is no number 5.
  • It really makes me want to break femurs when people describe protecting teenagers from the mental and physical torture inflicted by those Brain Butcher "Ex-Gay therapy" pigs as "religious freedom, free speech, and the rights of parents without being contested."

    If you put your kid through that... you don't deserve to have kids. Honestly, if you put your kid through that you don't deserve anything.
  • STAYSEASTAYSEA Posts: 3,814
    It lasted as long as NAMBLA.

    :sick: :wtf:
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xVMIyTA7BY
    Alright i'm out of this thread
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xVMIyTA7BY
    Alright i'm out of this thread

    I do think Dave Chappelle is a riot but I can't see the humor using a girl that was raped daily buy her abductors. In fact I could not even finish watching it knowing what she went through. Just adds to my point ANYTHING GOES..........
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    Cosmo wrote:
    Aerial... please, check the facts before pressing the Panic Button.
    I know, you think that Snopes and Politifact are liberal child molestors that should not be listened to... so, here... it is the ACTUAL BILL itself. Read it. Find the part where it says 'Pedophilia is a Sexual Orientation' and get back to me when you find it.
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bil ... n_v97.html
    ...
    The FACT of the matter is... the bill is to prevent the whole, 'Gay Conversion' and their claims that they can fix gayness in people, including children... who show 'Gay Tendencies'. The law will protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) minors from "reparative" therapies administered by mental health professionals aimed at altering sexual orientation or gender identities and expressions.
    ...
    I know... you don't place much faith in things such as truth or fact... but, seriously, you need to cast the same jaundiced eye on those E-Mail spams your Aunt Ethel keeps sending you from her AOL account.


    sexual orientation does not mean only gay......this bill can be "interpreted" in different ways. If people can interpreted the 2th amendment to mean we do not have a right to bare arms when that is exactly what it says, this law can be twisted how ever one may want to twist it.
    What reason would they have not to add?
    Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that, “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation.” However, the Democrats defeated the amendment. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles should be protected under the law, and accordingly decided that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that should be equally as embraced as homosexuality.

    “This language is so broad and vague, it arguably could include all forms of sexual orientation, including pedophilia,” said Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute. “It’s not just the orientation that is protected—the conduct associated with the orientation is protected as well.”
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    1. go fuck yourself.

    2. that story is mostly made up, "reparative therapy" to "cure" gay teens is credited with driving thousands of young men and women to suicide and go fuck yourself.

    3. this thread is just more despicable slander against my family. If you really want to stop pedophilia, burn down the vatican.

    4. You weren't "born" a christian but you're allowed to choose that dangerous lifestyle and force it on your kids. They even have schools where they indoctrinate children into an ACTUAL mental illness.

    5. there is no number 5.

    It is a scientific fact that people that practice religion are happier than those that do not. You know "anger will eat you up inside". No one is trying to hurt your family. Paranoid?
    I will pray for you....God Bless You!
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Interesting point.

    I'm in the camp that believes SOME part of sexual orientation is choice. Therefore, I don't really think there's much merit to saying that that pedophilia is a person's sexual orientation.

    But for those who believe there is NO choice in sexual orientation, I think they would have to fall in the camp that thinks pedophiliacs are that way due to sexual orientation.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    edited April 2013
    The definition of Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons over 16 years of age
    typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13). An adolescent who is 16 years of age or older must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia.

    This is illegal and will remain so, yes?.
    "Anything goes" ...
    hopefully will be tempered with some common sense to protect the innocent and prevent victims.
    We can not control people, we can only punish them when they break laws.
    Post edited by pandora on
  • aerial wrote:
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    It is a scientific fact that people that practice religion are happier than those that do not. You know "anger will eat you up inside". No one is trying to hurt your family. Paranoid?
    I will pray for you....God Bless You!

    Your god doesn't exist. If he did, the Vatican would have burned down centuries ago.

    You are in no position to talk about "scientific fact" and saying something about "scientific fact" and religion in the same sentence is absurd.

    Most of all... Your paranoid, insane, crazy screed about pedophilia being a sexual orientation is hate speech. How its allowed here is baffling.

    The bill in question is to protect teenagers from religious batshit crazy zealots. Because they're dangerous.
  • know1 wrote:
    Interesting point.

    I'm in the camp that believes SOME part of sexual orientation is choice. Therefore, I don't really think there's much merit to saying that that pedophilia is a person's sexual orientation.

    But for those who believe there is NO choice in sexual orientation, I think they would have to fall in the camp that thinks pedophiliacs are that way due to sexual orientation.

    So... Tell us. When did you choose to be straight? Which options did you consider before making that decision and at what age?

    And... I mean... Did you take a couple for a.... Test drive? Would you like to tell us about that?
  • And Ariel... If you want to talk about "scientific fact," let's talk about how this bill is meant to ban a "therapy" that has been scientifically proven to not work. All it does is cause more harm to young glbt people at the hands of... Sorry, but this is true... Evil religious pigs forcing their mental illness on innocent kids.
  • KatKat Posts: 4,893
    Closed for review.
    Falling down,...not staying down
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