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aerial

Cosmo wrote:

I love those"... in MYday...' things. Mostly bcause I remember those 'in My Day' days.
...
You know what else old people used to do?
Dump used car oil into the ground, where it went into the ground water... or worse, into rivers or lakes if they were near by or down the stormdrains to fast track it to the rivers and eventually, the oceans. They poured gasoline from the lawn mower there, as well as spent Prestone from their radiator flushes.
They also flushed anything unwanted down the toilet... including any poisons that were left lying around.
They had lead in their gasoline and lead in their paint and lead in their pencils. The air was thick with pollution because they didn't have those awful little emmissions control devices on their engines.
They burned garbage and trash in incinerators... including plastics.
Old car batteries, old tires, all sorts of shit nasty went into the trash cans and off to he dump.
At work, they put fucking asbestos in everything that went into their homes and cars. They dumped industrial solvents into the ground or water systems, including drain pipes. Nasty shit like cadmium, nickel and chromium plating waste.
...
So, please, don't try to lecture me about how good it was in the olden fucking days... because i remember them. I remember the smog alerts and how tough it was to breathe in the Summer while playing baseball in the park. I remember the stinging eyes and shortness of breath after swimming in the pool. It sucked.
So... suck it up you old fucking assholes and quit bitching about how you have to carry a bag to the grocery store so you won't be able to litter the streets with those plastic bags that fly all over the fucking place and end up down on the beach for me to pick up on my Surfriders Beach Clean weekend.

I miss when people showed respect toward each other........when people had class and foul language was no so acceptable!!!! I miss when manners and etiquette was cool.......

Go Beavers

aerial wrote:

I miss when people showed respect toward each other........when people had class and foul language was no so acceptable!!!! I miss when manners and etiquette was cool.......

Ah, the god ol' days of institutionalized racism and sexism and all the respectful comments that went along with it. You got to beat your kids without consequences, too!

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

I miss when people showed respect toward each other........when people had class and foul language was no so acceptable!!!! I miss when manners and etiquette was cool.......

Hm... back in the 50s when cops used to raid gay bars, arrest the people inside, publish their names in the paper and destroy them?

And usually beat them to a pulp, too?

Yeah... such lovely respect back then.

riotgrl

Cosmo wrote:

I love those"... in MYday...' things. Mostly bcause I remember those 'in My Day' days.
...
You know what else old people used to do?
Dump used car oil into the ground, where it went into the ground water... or worse, into rivers or lakes if they were near by or down the stormdrains to fast track it to the rivers and eventually, the oceans. They poured gasoline from the lawn mower there, as well as spent Prestone from their radiator flushes.
They also flushed anything unwanted down the toilet... including any poisons that were left lying around.
They had lead in their gasoline and lead in their paint and lead in their pencils. The air was thick with pollution because they didn't have those awful little emmissions control devices on their engines.
They burned garbage and trash in incinerators... including plastics.
Old car batteries, old tires, all sorts of shit nasty went into the trash cans and off to he dump.
At work, they put fucking asbestos in everything that went into their homes and cars. They dumped industrial solvents into the ground or water systems, including drain pipes. Nasty shit like cadmium, nickel and chromium plating waste.
...
So, please, don't try to lecture me about how good it was in the olden fucking days... because i remember them. I remember the smog alerts and how tough it was to breathe in the Summer while playing baseball in the park. I remember the stinging eyes and shortness of breath after swimming in the pool. It sucked.
So... suck it up you old fucking assholes and quit bitching about how you have to carry a bag to the grocery store so you won't be able to litter the streets with those plastic bags that fly all over the fucking place and end up down on the beach for me to pick up on my Surfriders Beach Clean weekend.

Reminds me of my first house! My first house was a post-WW2 house built in 1946 and we bought it in 1997. Apparently there was 2 car motors buried in the yard, construction debris from the original building of the house and tons of garbage buried in the yard. We would have random pieces of garbage that would work its way up out of the ground. Usually glass from an old Coke bottle that cut my dogs feet :(

even flow - question mark

Cosmo wrote:

I love those"... in MYday...' things. Mostly bcause I remember those 'in My Day' days.
...
You know what else old people used to do?
Dump used car oil into the ground, where it went into the ground water... or worse, into rivers or lakes if they were near by or down the stormdrains to fast track it to the rivers and eventually, the oceans. They poured gasoline from the lawn mower there, as well as spent Prestone from their radiator flushes.
They also flushed anything unwanted down the toilet... including any poisons that were left lying around.
They had lead in their gasoline and lead in their paint and lead in their pencils. The air was thick with pollution because they didn't have those awful little emmissions control devices on their engines.
They burned garbage and trash in incinerators... including plastics.
Old car batteries, old tires, all sorts of shit nasty went into the trash cans and off to he dump.
At work, they put fucking asbestos in everything that went into their homes and cars. They dumped industrial solvents into the ground or water systems, including drain pipes. Nasty shit like cadmium, nickel and chromium plating waste.
...
So, please, don't try to lecture me about how good it was in the olden fucking days... because i remember them. I remember the smog alerts and how tough it was to breathe in the Summer while playing baseball in the park. I remember the stinging eyes and shortness of breath after swimming in the pool. It sucked.
So... suck it up you old fucking assholes and quit bitching about how you have to carry a bag to the grocery store so you won't be able to litter the streets with those plastic bags that fly all over the fucking place and end up down on the beach for me to pick up on my Surfriders Beach Clean weekend.

So how do you really feel?

As much as there is a huge ringing of truth to this. Sadly with the stuff in computer screens and cell phones and six pack rings and well you know where this might go. Have we really gotten better or just created different messes?

hedonist

even flow - question mark wrote:

Have we really gotten better or just created different messes?

This, I think; both options, that is.

More and more, this lyric strikes home with me - "progress laced with ramifications"

(perhaps also "for every tool they lend us, a loss of independence")

Jeanwah

even flow - question mark wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I love those"... in MYday...' things. Mostly bcause I remember those 'in My Day' days.
...
You know what else old people used to do?
Dump used car oil into the ground, where it went into the ground water... or worse, into rivers or lakes if they were near by or down the stormdrains to fast track it to the rivers and eventually, the oceans. They poured gasoline from the lawn mower there, as well as spent Prestone from their radiator flushes.
They also flushed anything unwanted down the toilet... including any poisons that were left lying around.
They had lead in their gasoline and lead in their paint and lead in their pencils. The air was thick with pollution because they didn't have those awful little emmissions control devices on their engines.
They burned garbage and trash in incinerators... including plastics.
Old car batteries, old tires, all sorts of shit nasty went into the trash cans and off to he dump.
At work, they put fucking asbestos in everything that went into their homes and cars. They dumped industrial solvents into the ground or water systems, including drain pipes. Nasty shit like cadmium, nickel and chromium plating waste.
...
So, please, don't try to lecture me about how good it was in the olden fucking days... because i remember them. I remember the smog alerts and how tough it was to breathe in the Summer while playing baseball in the park. I remember the stinging eyes and shortness of breath after swimming in the pool. It sucked.
So... suck it up you old fucking assholes and quit bitching about how you have to carry a bag to the grocery store so you won't be able to litter the streets with those plastic bags that fly all over the fucking place and end up down on the beach for me to pick up on my Surfriders Beach Clean weekend.

So how do you really feel?

As much as there is a huge ringing of truth to this. Sadly with the stuff in computer screens and cell phones and six pack rings and well you know where this might go. Have we really gotten better or just created different messes?

And why is it that we turn into grumpy old people when we get old?

even flow - question mark

Jeanwah wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I love those"... in MYday...' things. Mostly bcause I remember those 'in My Day' days.
...
You know what else old people used to do?
Dump used car oil into the ground, where it went into the ground water... or worse, into rivers or lakes if they were near by or down the stormdrains to fast track it to the rivers and eventually, the oceans. They poured gasoline from the lawn mower there, as well as spent Prestone from their radiator flushes.
They also flushed anything unwanted down the toilet... including any poisons that were left lying around.
They had lead in their gasoline and lead in their paint and lead in their pencils. The air was thick with pollution because they didn't have those awful little emmissions control devices on their engines.
They burned garbage and trash in incinerators... including plastics.
Old car batteries, old tires, all sorts of shit nasty went into the trash cans and off to he dump.
At work, they put fucking asbestos in everything that went into their homes and cars. They dumped industrial solvents into the ground or water systems, including drain pipes. Nasty shit like cadmium, nickel and chromium plating waste.
...
So, please, don't try to lecture me about how good it was in the olden fucking days... because i remember them. I remember the smog alerts and how tough it was to breathe in the Summer while playing baseball in the park. I remember the stinging eyes and shortness of breath after swimming in the pool. It sucked.
So... suck it up you old fucking assholes and quit bitching about how you have to carry a bag to the grocery store so you won't be able to litter the streets with those plastic bags that fly all over the fucking place and end up down on the beach for me to pick up on my Surfriders Beach Clean weekend.

So how do you really feel?

As much as there is a huge ringing of truth to this. Sadly with the stuff in computer screens and cell phones and six pack rings and well you know where this might go. Have we really gotten better or just created different messes?

And why is it that we turn into grumpy old people when we get old?

DDDDDDDDon't you be ppppputting down the old people missy! They have earned their place to get grumpy as the years roll on. But I too have not figured out this phenomenon.

brianlux

even flow - question mark wrote:

DDDDDDDDon't you be ppppputting down the old people missy! They have earned their place to get grumpy as the years roll on. But I too have not figured out this phenomenon.

I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.

Who Princess

brianlux wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

DDDDDDDDon't you be ppppputting down the old people missy! They have earned their place to get grumpy as the years roll on. But I too have not figured out this phenomenon.

I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.

Would that be A Moving Train?

Man, seems to be some grumpy young people around here. Whatever good points there were in the OP, they seem to have gotten lost in the generational bickering, which sounded kinda contrived anyway. I mean, how would most people react if a grocery cashier talked to them like that? Good points in other posts but lots of kvetching too.

Brian and I seem to be the resident boomers around these parts but EVERY generation has nostalgia. Look at the "children of the 70s and 80s" thread on the AET. I'm nostalgic for lots of things, particularly concert tickets under $10 for a major act. I think life is pretty good and I like my modern conveniences. I just think it's natural to miss some of the things associated with good memories.

I work with older adults every day. I'm employed by Senior Citizen Services. I don't find older people any more or less grumpy than any other group of adults. It takes some adaptability if you want to live a long life and a sense of humor too.

Jeanwah

Who Princess wrote:

brianlux wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

DDDDDDDDon't you be ppppputting down the old people missy! They have earned their place to get grumpy as the years roll on. But I too have not figured out this phenomenon.

I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.

Would that be A Moving Train?

Man, seems to be some grumpy young people around here. Whatever good points there were in the OP, they seem to have gotten lost in the generational bickering, which sounded kinda contrived anyway. I mean, how would most people react if a grocery cashier talked to them like that? Good points in other posts but lots of kvetching too.

Brian and I seem to be the resident boomers around these parts but EVERY generation has nostalgia. Look at the "children of the 70s and 80s" thread on the AET. I'm nostalgic for lots of things, particularly concert tickets under $10 for a major act. I think life is pretty good and I like my modern conveniences. I just think it's natural to miss some of the things associated with good memories.

I work with older adults every day. I'm employed by Senior Citizen Services. I don't find older people any more or less grumpy than any other group of adults. It takes some adaptability if you want to live a long life and a sense of humor too.

I was being funny.

even flow - question mark

brianlux wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

DDDDDDDDon't you be ppppputting down the old people missy! They have earned their place to get grumpy as the years roll on. But I too have not figured out this phenomenon.

I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.

Remember when that was called a hangover after a good night out with friends. Ahhh yeah!

Who Princess

Jeanwah wrote:

I was being funny.

I know. :wave:
I guess I have a bit of an axe to grind because I have to hear about this so often. "How can you stand working with those grouchy old people? It would drive me crazy."

But I meant the part about nostalgia. EVERYBODY gets nostalgic sometimes; the problem is when somebody uses it to act superior to other people.

Who Princess

even flow - question mark wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.

Remember when that was called a hangover after a good night out with friends. Ahhh yeah!

Are you being nostalgic? :P

even flow - question mark

Who Princess wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.

Remember when that was called a hangover after a good night out with friends. Ahhh yeah!

Are you being nostalgic? :P

Kind of......i'm just trying to make bri feel better about things. But I think I'm going about it the wrong way.

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

I miss when people showed respect toward each other........when people had class and foul language was no so acceptable!!!! I miss when manners and etiquette was cool.......

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Hey... i'm just sayin'...
All of that 'Those were the good old days' stuff is a bunch of bullshit. I'm saying the old days weren't any better or worse than the way things are today. The whole thing about having to bring a reusable grocery bag... is somehow WORSE than having to walk 5 miles through 3 feet of snow to school?
The original post is supposed to bring out how much better it was when there was an unlimited supply of brown paper bags. But, they never mention the fact that we gave up forests for those bags... so, we went to plastics... but, people let those thing fly all over the place and they end up in our oceans so we are looking to keep that from happening.
I'm just pointing out that things are the way they are today because of what the people before us have done. And what we do today will affect the people that come after us.
When i was a kid, that air was choking us when we were playing baseball on the playground. The air is better today, but, there are those trade-offs.
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The bottom line.. if the good old days were so fucking great... WHY did they allow them to change?

Jeanwah

Aerial, In reading the OP again, I have to wonder why people choose to live in the past when the present is so much brighter and we have choices and we have life to live. Try not to get hung up over things that we cannot control. I know that it's easier said than done, but we all have choices of what we focus our energy on.

Oh, and if you miss respect and manners of people? You can be an example of what you miss about it.

Cosmo

Who Princess wrote:

Would that be A Moving Train?

Man, seems to be some grumpy young people around here. Whatever good points there were in the OP, they seem to have gotten lost in the generational bickering, which sounded kinda contrived anyway. I mean, how would most people react if a grocery cashier talked to them like that? Good points in other posts but lots of kvetching too.

Brian and I seem to be the resident boomers around these parts but EVERY generation has nostalgia. Look at the "children of the 70s and 80s" thread on the AET. I'm nostalgic for lots of things, particularly concert tickets under $10 for a major act. I think life is pretty good and I like my modern conveniences. I just think it's natural to miss some of the things associated with good memories.

I work with older adults every day. I'm employed by Senior Citizen Services. I don't find older people any more or less grumpy than any other group of adults. It takes some adaptability if you want to live a long life and a sense of humor too.

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Things aren't better or worse... things are different.
For example, the reason why people today have more than one television in their homes is because back in the 50s, the television was a major purchase item. How many of us spend half a year's salary on a television these days? I'll tell you... none of us.
And if you go backwards, here in America... in the 50s, racism was the norm in the South, and there wasn't any violence on television because it was hapening in the bedroom. Back then, it was okay to beat the shit out of your wife... and even rape her, because... well, she deserved it.
Sure, we didn't have to burden ourselves with caring for our environment, because really... who gives a shit? It's not like it really matters, right? That smoke just goes up into space, doesn't it?

brianlux

Who Princess wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.

Remember when that was called a hangover after a good night out with friends. Ahhh yeah!

Are you being nostalgic? :P

even flow - question mark wrote:

Kind of......i'm just trying to make bri feel better about things. But I think I'm going about it the wrong way.

No worries- getting older and feeling achy beats the alternative. I'm happy to still be around to feel anything!

You made a good point, Who Princess, that most everybody thinks their generation was "the good old days" and it's natural for us to relate best with our peers. Really though, if we allow ourselves to be around people of a variety of ages we learn and gain so much more. For example, my father is 92 yrs old and his (rapidly dwindling, sorry to say) folks of his G.I. generation have so many great stories and much to teach us about the past. People my age have our history too- the 60's were a fascinating period of time. Younger adult generations often have great ideas and enough experience and energy to put them to action. Children have great energy and teenagers carry the torch of rebellion. And young children know often intuitively know more than the rest of us without even knowing it, thus the term "out of the mouths of babes".

As for things being better in the past than now, I'm beginning to believe that might only be true if we go back 4,000 years or more to when we had the brain capacity of humans along with the acuity of senses of wild animals.

Cosmo

brianlux wrote:

You made a good point, Who Princess, that most everybody thinks their generation was "the good old days" and it's natural for us to relate best with our peers. Really though, if we allow ourselves to be around people of a variety of ages we learn and gain so much more. For example, my father is 92 yrs old and his (rapidly dwindling, sorry to say) folks of his G.I. generation have so many great stories and much to teach us about the past. People my age have our history too- the 60's were a fascinating period of time. Younger adult generations often have great ideas and enough experience and energy to put them to action. Children have great energy and teenagers carry the torch of rebellion. And young children know often intuitively know more than the rest of us without even knowing it, thus the term "out of the mouths of babes".

As for things being better in the past than now, I'm beginning to believe that might only be true if we go back 4,000 years or more to when we had the brain capacity of humans along with the acuity of senses of wild animals.

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You may be right about the 4,000 years thing. But the downside is we have to lose several billion humans in the process. And our life expectancy will be cut in half... meaning, you and i are dead.