DDDDDDDDon't you be ppppputting down the old people missy! They have earned their place to get grumpy as the years roll on. But I too have not figured out this phenomenon.
I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.
Would that be A Moving Train?
Man, seems to be some grumpy young people around here. Whatever good points there were in the OP, they seem to have gotten lost in the generational bickering, which sounded kinda contrived anyway. I mean, how would most people react if a grocery cashier talked to them like that? Good points in other posts but lots of kvetching too.
Brian and I seem to be the resident boomers around these parts but EVERY generation has nostalgia. Look at the "children of the 70s and 80s" thread on the AET. I'm nostalgic for lots of things, particularly concert tickets under $10 for a major act. I think life is pretty good and I like my modern conveniences. I just think it's natural to miss some of the things associated with good memories.
I work with older adults every day. I'm employed by Senior Citizen Services. I don't find older people any more or less grumpy than any other group of adults. It takes some adaptability if you want to live a long life and a sense of humor too.
DDDDDDDDon't you be ppppputting down the old people missy! They have earned their place to get grumpy as the years roll on. But I too have not figured out this phenomenon.
I think I'm starting to figure it out. It probably has something to do with more and more waking up feeling like you've been run over by a train.
Remember when that was called a hangover after a good night out with friends. Ahhh yeah!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I know. :wave:
I guess I have a bit of an axe to grind because I have to hear about this so often. "How can you stand working with those grouchy old people? It would drive me crazy."
But I meant the part about nostalgia. EVERYBODY gets nostalgic sometimes; the problem is when somebody uses it to act superior to other people.
I miss when people showed respect toward each other........when people had class and foul language was no so acceptable!!!! I miss when manners and etiquette was cool.......
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Hey... i'm just sayin'...
All of that 'Those were the good old days' stuff is a bunch of bullshit. I'm saying the old days weren't any better or worse than the way things are today. The whole thing about having to bring a reusable grocery bag... is somehow WORSE than having to walk 5 miles through 3 feet of snow to school?
The original post is supposed to bring out how much better it was when there was an unlimited supply of brown paper bags. But, they never mention the fact that we gave up forests for those bags... so, we went to plastics... but, people let those thing fly all over the place and they end up in our oceans so we are looking to keep that from happening.
I'm just pointing out that things are the way they are today because of what the people before us have done. And what we do today will affect the people that come after us.
When i was a kid, that air was choking us when we were playing baseball on the playground. The air is better today, but, there are those trade-offs.
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The bottom line.. if the good old days were so fucking great... WHY did they allow them to change?
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Aerial, In reading the OP again, I have to wonder why people choose to live in the past when the present is so much brighter and we have choices and we have life to live. Try not to get hung up over things that we cannot control. I know that it's easier said than done, but we all have choices of what we focus our energy on.
Oh, and if you miss respect and manners of people? You can be an example of what you miss about it.
Man, seems to be some grumpy young people around here. Whatever good points there were in the OP, they seem to have gotten lost in the generational bickering, which sounded kinda contrived anyway. I mean, how would most people react if a grocery cashier talked to them like that? Good points in other posts but lots of kvetching too.
Brian and I seem to be the resident boomers around these parts but EVERY generation has nostalgia. Look at the "children of the 70s and 80s" thread on the AET. I'm nostalgic for lots of things, particularly concert tickets under $10 for a major act. I think life is pretty good and I like my modern conveniences. I just think it's natural to miss some of the things associated with good memories.
I work with older adults every day. I'm employed by Senior Citizen Services. I don't find older people any more or less grumpy than any other group of adults. It takes some adaptability if you want to live a long life and a sense of humor too.
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Things aren't better or worse... things are different.
For example, the reason why people today have more than one television in their homes is because back in the 50s, the television was a major purchase item. How many of us spend half a year's salary on a television these days? I'll tell you... none of us.
And if you go backwards, here in America... in the 50s, racism was the norm in the South, and there wasn't any violence on television because it was hapening in the bedroom. Back then, it was okay to beat the shit out of your wife... and even rape her, because... well, she deserved it.
Sure, we didn't have to burden ourselves with caring for our environment, because really... who gives a shit? It's not like it really matters, right? That smoke just goes up into space, doesn't it?
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Kind of......i'm just trying to make bri feel better about things. But I think I'm going about it the wrong way.
No worries- getting older and feeling achy beats the alternative. I'm happy to still be around to feel anything!
You made a good point, Who Princess, that most everybody thinks their generation was "the good old days" and it's natural for us to relate best with our peers. Really though, if we allow ourselves to be around people of a variety of ages we learn and gain so much more. For example, my father is 92 yrs old and his (rapidly dwindling, sorry to say) folks of his G.I. generation have so many great stories and much to teach us about the past. People my age have our history too- the 60's were a fascinating period of time. Younger adult generations often have great ideas and enough experience and energy to put them to action. Children have great energy and teenagers carry the torch of rebellion. And young children know often intuitively know more than the rest of us without even knowing it, thus the term "out of the mouths of babes".
As for things being better in the past than now, I'm beginning to believe that might only be true if we go back 4,000 years or more to when we had the brain capacity of humans along with the acuity of senses of wild animals.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You made a good point, Who Princess, that most everybody thinks their generation was "the good old days" and it's natural for us to relate best with our peers. Really though, if we allow ourselves to be around people of a variety of ages we learn and gain so much more. For example, my father is 92 yrs old and his (rapidly dwindling, sorry to say) folks of his G.I. generation have so many great stories and much to teach us about the past. People my age have our history too- the 60's were a fascinating period of time. Younger adult generations often have great ideas and enough experience and energy to put them to action. Children have great energy and teenagers carry the torch of rebellion. And young children know often intuitively know more than the rest of us without even knowing it, thus the term "out of the mouths of babes".
As for things being better in the past than now, I'm beginning to believe that might only be true if we go back 4,000 years or more to when we had the brain capacity of humans along with the acuity of senses of wild animals.
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You may be right about the 4,000 years thing. But the downside is we have to lose several billion humans in the process. And our life expectancy will be cut in half... meaning, you and i are dead.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Things aren't better or worse... things are different.
For example, the reason why people today have more than one television in their homes is because back in the 50s, the television was a major purchase item. How many of us spend half a year's salary on a television these days? I'll tell you... none of us.
And if you go backwards, here in America... in the 50s, racism was the norm in the South, and there wasn't any violence on television because it was hapening in the bedroom. Back then, it was okay to beat the shit out of your wife... and even rape her, because... well, she deserved it.
Sure, we didn't have to burden ourselves with caring for our environment, because really... who gives a shit? It's not like it really matters, right? That smoke just goes up into space, doesn't it?
You may have misunderstood me. I agree with you. I don't think any period of time was better than another.
Like I said, Brian and I are Boomers and there are a lot of great things to remember about coming of age in the 60s but there are plenty of bad things too. I think that as people become more aware of problems and their causes, society improves in its responses--like your example of domestic violence. But even as we get better at some things, we still manage to be awful about others. So I agree, it's just different.
But I also said above, nostalgia is normal reaction to good memories. What's not good is believing your times were better than the present or someone else's past, just because you lived through them.
And I really am nostalgic for those cheap concert tickets.
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You may be right about the 4,000 years thing. But the downside is we have to lose several billion humans in the process. And our life expectancy will be cut in half... meaning, you and i are dead.
You are so right! If I had lived my life exactly as I have only 200 year ago, I'd probably be dead. Time machine? No thanks! 20th/21st century's alright by me.
And we very well may lose several billions and of necessity revert to a simpler way of life and cut our life expectancy in half- not that I'm necessarily hoping for that, but it sure seems possible. Which reminds me of something I've heard a few times which is that the only animals to which we humans attach a greater importance of longevity over quality of life is ourselves.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You may have misunderstood me. I agree with you. I don't think any period of time was better than another.
Like I said, Brian and I are Boomers and there are a lot of great things to remember about coming of age in the 60s but there are plenty of bad things too. I think that as people become more aware of problems and their causes, society improves in its responses--like your example of domestic violence. But even as we get better at some things, we still manage to be awful about others. So I agree, it's just different.
But I also said above, nostalgia is normal reaction to good memories. What's not good is believing your times were better than the present or someone else's past, just because you lived through them.
And I really am nostalgic for those cheap concert tickets.
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Yeah... I just felt like expressing myself. Sorry to pick on your post.
And me... I'm from the 70s. There are things I love about the 70s and things I abhor about them. I remember seeing Deep Purple, Fleetwood Mac and Electric Light Orchestra in 1974 at the Shrine Auditorium for $6.50. And gas was about .33 cents per gallon.
BUT... I only made $1.45 and hour... Richard Nixon was President... Viet Nam was winding down and veterans were coming home (and they were kind of scary)... Israel was at War, again,... the air was thick with smog and Disco was on the rise.
And i remember older people telling me how great I had it and how they had to trudge through snow for 5 miles, avoiding bears... just to get to school. and how they had to do their homework by kerosene lamps (which was probably hell on the lungs)... and how they played to sticks and rocks instead of toys. I thought, how is THAT the good old days, right? It sounds like it sucked. Thank God for light bulbs and indoor plumbing.
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P.S. The Who in 1973 and 1976... hands down... the GREATEST Live act I have ever seen.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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You may be right about the 4,000 years thing. But the downside is we have to lose several billion humans in the process. And our life expectancy will be cut in half... meaning, you and i are dead.
You are so right! If I had lived my life exactly as I have only 200 year ago, I'd probably be dead. Time machine? No thanks! 20th/21st century's alright by me.
And we very well may lose several billions and of necessity revert to a simpler way of life and cut our life expectancy in half- not that I'm necessarily hoping for that, but it sure seems possible. Which reminds me of something I've heard a few times which is that the only animals to which we humans attach a greater importance of longevity over quality of life is ourselves.
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The other thing we have to consider... we live in a hostile environment. The planet is hostile... the middle of the ocean or desert will kill us. We live comfortably... especially, here in America. We sleep indoors where we can control the temperature. We can keep food at hand for entended periods of time. We have potable running water.
There are trade-offs, but, we still possess the ability to choose. That old woman in the original story... she can still choose to mow her own lawn, modern society does not force her to use a power mower. We use power mowers so we don't spend a full afternoon mowing the fucking grass. We can spend it in the company of friends or familiy or whatever. Trade-offs.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
P.S. The Who in 1973 and 1976... hands down... the GREATEST Live act I have ever seen.
Hells yes! They were glorious.
Being a Who fan is an excellent example of living in the present. I could pine for my 70s Who and would miss out on so much enjoyment. The people who don't want to see them since John died are missing out on something great. This Quad tour that just wrapped up is a case in point. Awesome, the best I've seen them since the 90s. Are they the same band they were 40 years ago? Of course not. Can they still blow most bands out of the water? Yes yes yes.
Oh man...I watched a documentary on it a few years back.
Absolutely disgusting.
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That's why I have a hard time with people complaining about environmental issues.
I'll bet that there were old people back in the days when legislation was written to stop the practice of pouring used motor oil into the water systems. I'll bet people complained about 'losing freedom' and forced compliance to namby pamby Earth lovers. I certainly remember the ban on CFCs used for automotive air conditioning units and the fitting of emissions control devices and all of the protests from people about how the government was controlling everything.
I just don't get all of the fucking crying about curly light bulbs and having to bring your own grocery bags.
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Now, don't get me wrong... this is not pro-government rally... it is anti-pollution rant.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Aerial, In reading the OP again, I have to wonder why people choose to live in the past when the present is so much brighter and we have choices and we have life to live. Try not to get hung up over things that we cannot control. I know that it's easier said than done, but we all have choices of what we focus our energy on.
Oh, and if you miss respect and manners of people? You can be an example of what you miss about it.
I do know how to be respectable towards others and I am an example of good manners and respect toward others everyday. I also insisted my children and grandchildren do the same.
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“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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That's why I have a hard time with people complaining about environmental issues.
I'll bet that there were old people back in the days when legislation was written to stop the practice of pouring used motor oil into the water systems. I'll bet people complained about 'losing freedom' and forced compliance to namby pamby Earth lovers. I certainly remember the ban on CFCs used for automotive air conditioning units and the fitting of emissions control devices and all of the protests from people about how the government was controlling everything.
I just don't get all of the fucking crying about curly light bulbs and having to bring your own grocery bags.
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Now, don't get me wrong... this is not pro-government rally... it is anti-pollution rant.
god I love the term "namby pamby".
And yeah, the CFC regulations and these every-other-year smog checks (at least, for my '97 Acura - I think it's her last year with me). I remember driving next to city buses SPEWING exhaust...glad they're clean now.
(I bet Aqua-Net-using chicks were pissed about the CFC/ozone regulations )
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You may be right about the 4,000 years thing. But the downside is we have to lose several billion humans in the process. And our life expectancy will be cut in half... meaning, you and i are dead.
You are so right! If I had lived my life exactly as I have only 200 year ago, I'd probably be dead. Time machine? No thanks! 20th/21st century's alright by me.
And we very well may lose several billions and of necessity revert to a simpler way of life and cut our life expectancy in half- not that I'm necessarily hoping for that, but it sure seems possible. Which reminds me of something I've heard a few times which is that the only animals to which we humans attach a greater importance of longevity over quality of life is ourselves.
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The other thing we have to consider... we live in a hostile environment. The planet is hostile... the middle of the ocean or desert will kill us. We live comfortably... especially, here in America. We sleep indoors where we can control the temperature. We can keep food at hand for entended periods of time. We have potable running water.
There are trade-offs, but, we still possess the ability to choose. That old woman in the original story... she can still choose to mow her own lawn, modern society does not force her to use a power mower. We use power mowers so we don't spend a full afternoon mowing the fucking grass. We can spend it in the company of friends or familiy or whatever. Trade-offs.
The food with the extended shelf life contain preservatives that cause diverticulitis among other things. Home cooked food always taste better but who has time to bake bread when everyone has to work to afford those curly light bulbs and gas to get to work, Add the fact we have to give 60% of our pay checks to government so that they can send it to the people that hate use. Also when I was in school integration started and there were race riots....blacks beating up whites ( we were sent to an all black school).....but you know what? no one brought weapons to school, the kids fought with there fist....much better survival rate that way....even though there was fighting the kids did not wanted to kill anyone........child murders has to be the worst change that has come about with this new generation.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
You are so right! If I had lived my life exactly as I have only 200 year ago, I'd probably be dead. Time machine? No thanks! 20th/21st century's alright by me.
And we very well may lose several billions and of necessity revert to a simpler way of life and cut our life expectancy in half- not that I'm necessarily hoping for that, but it sure seems possible. Which reminds me of something I've heard a few times which is that the only animals to which we humans attach a greater importance of longevity over quality of life is ourselves.
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The other thing we have to consider... we live in a hostile environment. The planet is hostile... the middle of the ocean or desert will kill us. We live comfortably... especially, here in America. We sleep indoors where we can control the temperature. We can keep food at hand for entended periods of time. We have potable running water.
There are trade-offs, but, we still possess the ability to choose. That old woman in the original story... she can still choose to mow her own lawn, modern society does not force her to use a power mower. We use power mowers so we don't spend a full afternoon mowing the fucking grass. We can spend it in the company of friends or familiy or whatever. Trade-offs.
The food with the extended shelf life contain preservatives that cause diverticulitis among other things. Home cooked food always taste better but who has time to bake bread when everyone has to work to afford those curly light bulbs and gas to get to work, Add the fact we have to give 60% of our pay checks to government so that they can send it to the people that hate use. Also when I was in school integration started and there were race riots....blacks beating up whites ( we were sent to an all black school).....but you know what? no one brought weapons to school, the kids fought with there fist....much better survival rate that way....even though there was fighting the kids did not wanted to kill anyone........child murders has to be the worst change that has come about with this new generation.
Living in the past does nothing but cause depression, ya know.
There are good and bad things about the past, there are good and bad things about the present. The thing is, we live in the Now. So, let's live in the Now, shall we?
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Oh man...I watched a documentary on it a few years back.
Absolutely disgusting.
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That's why I have a hard time with people complaining about environmental issues.
I'll bet that there were old people back in the days when legislation was written to stop the practice of pouring used motor oil into the water systems. I'll bet people complained about 'losing freedom' and forced compliance to namby pamby Earth lovers. I certainly remember the ban on CFCs used for automotive air conditioning units and the fitting of emissions control devices and all of the protests from people about how the government was controlling everything.
I just don't get all of the fucking crying about curly light bulbs and having to bring your own grocery bags.
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Now, don't get me wrong... this is not pro-government rally... it is anti-pollution rant.
Oh man... this post (and a few others) is a sorry reminder of past sins. In the first few years of the 70's I worked in an auto parts store (not so much because that's what I wanted to do but because I was young and it was a job). I tried to fit in by learning how to work on my car and I remember one time I flushed my radiator- anti freeze and all- over a gutter that ran into a sewer that ran into a creek that ran into the bay. It never even fucking occurred to me where that toxic crap was going. As far as I knew, it just went awayyyyyyyyy. But that was "the good old days" when everything bad just went... awayyyyyyyyyyyyy. What a dumb shit kid I was.
But I will say I changed my ways very quickly when I finally woke the hell up. Maybe that's why I work so hard to support environmental issues. I'm still making amends.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Oh man... this post (and a few others) is a sorry reminder of past sins. In the first few years of the 70's I worked in an auto parts store (not so much because that's what I wanted to do but because I was young and it was a job). I tried to fit in by learning how to work on my car and I remember one time I flushed my radiator- anti freeze and all- over a gutter that ran into a sewer that ran into a creek that ran into the bay. It never even fucking occurred to me where that toxic crap was going. As far as I knew, it just went awayyyyyyyyy. But that was "the good old days" when everything bad just went... awayyyyyyyyyyyyy. What a dumb shit kid I was.
But I will say I changed my ways very quickly when I finally woke the hell up. Maybe that's why I work so hard to support environmental issues. I'm still making amends.
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Brian... what WE were doing was the acceptable norm. EVERYONE flushed their radiators and changed their oil in their driveways or at the curb. All we had to do was hose down the driveway afterwards and all was good.
What changed us... EDUCATION. There were studied made that showed us that what we were doing was bad for our environment. That we had to change our ways... that just because the Prestone was off of our driveways, that didn't mean it was out of our world.
And I remember a lot of people griping about it back then because it is a real pain in the ass trying to recover and properly dispose of spent radiator fluid and motor oil... they were taking away our freedom to pollute.
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so, yeah... those were the good old days when we could work on our cars and dump its waste on the poor schmuck that live down stream from us. Trade-offs... what do we want... convienience or clean ground water?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Oh man... this post (and a few others) is a sorry reminder of past sins. ..........
But I will say I changed my ways very quickly when I finally woke the hell up. Maybe that's why I work so hard to support environmental issues. I'm still making amends.
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Brian... what WE were doing was the acceptable norm. ............
What changed us... EDUCATION. There were studied made that showed us that what we were doing was bad for our environment. That we had to change our ways...
Exactly - in those days (damn... are we that old ) we were not aware of the full scale damage we were doing to mother earth. Science wasn't focused on environmental issues yet, dissemination of information wasn't what it is now and yes.. education... and action. We now start learning/hearing about those issues at a very young age and, hopefully, take heed of the messages we get to protect our planet and our future.
And whilst it's true when I was young we may have flushed so much crap down the sewers, etc., it is also true that there was maybe less 'consumer'/packaging waste, etc.
Each generation has it's pros and cons. Let's hope this coming one (my daughter's age?) are more pros.
The food with the extended shelf life contain preservatives that cause diverticulitis among other things. Home cooked food always taste better but who has time to bake bread when everyone has to work to afford those curly light bulbs and gas to get to work, Add the fact we have to give 60% of our pay checks to government so that they can send it to the people that hate use. Also when I was in school integration started and there were race riots....blacks beating up whites ( we were sent to an all black school).....but you know what? no one brought weapons to school, the kids fought with there fist....much better survival rate that way....even though there was fighting the kids did not wanted to kill anyone........child murders has to be the worst change that has come about with this new generation.
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'Give Us Convienience.. or Give Us Death'. That is the convienience of America, food with a long shelf life. Again, trade offs... do you spend hours making home cooked food every night... After a long day at the office?
I don't know where you live, but I live in Southern California and 60% of my paycheck does NOT go to the government to send to al Qaeda. If you are stating that as a fact, it sound like you like in East Barfar, Yemen or something.
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Also... those bulbs don't cost a fortune. If you can't afford to buy them, then you obviously have way too many light fixtures in your home. I have florescent tubes in my home... in the kitchen and both bathrooms as well as the garage. I bought a case of tubes from the Home Depot back in 2000 or something and still have one unused. I bought a pack of those curly bulbs from Costco and replaced the bulbs in all of my fixtures that were not dimmable. I can still afford to eat and drive my car... and I think a lot of others are in the same boat. Curly bulbs didn't drive them into poverty.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Exactly - in those days (damn... are we that old ) we were not aware of the full scale damage we were doing to mother earth. Science wasn't focused on environmental issues yet, dissemination of information wasn't what it is now and yes.. education... and action. We now start learning/hearing about those issues at a very young age and, hopefully, take heed of the messages we get to protect our planet and our future.
And whilst it's true when I was young we may have flushed so much crap down the sewers, etc., it is also true that there was maybe less 'consumer'/packaging waste, etc.
Each generation has it's pros and cons. Let's hope this coming one (my daughter's age?) are more pros.
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Pros and Cons... every generation has to deal with it.
The reusable grocery bags... sure, they can be a pain in the ass at times. I forget to move mine back from the kitchen to the car all the time. How i solved it... I have a bunch of them in the car, all the time. I got many of them free from trade shows or those give aways by insurance companies trying to get your business. I don't give a shit if i have a 'Kaiser-Permanente' and 'Geico' bag to haul my groceries. I beats the plastic bags that say, 'Abertsons' or 'Safeway' flying along the sands of Bolsa Chica State Beach.
Trade-offs... Convenience or trash? Which do you want? What do you want for your kids?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Cosmo quoting aerial's post made me think about this 'not having the time to cook/bake'. I just made a lemon drizzle cake from scratch - flour, butter, sugar, eggs, lemon & a bit of milk. Alternative? Looked up Betty Crocker mix for the same:
I know where my ingredients come from. Look at the mix - palm fat: source of deforestation, loss of wildlife habitat and climate change. Where's the real lemon? Colour??? All this other crap too.
Did it take me longer? Well, I admit that the creaming of the butter and sugar might have taken an extra minute, add 30 seconds for zesting the lemons another 30 seconds for juicing it. A whole 2/3 minutes extra from scratch. Not much, really...
It's not just a question of health, but you can source your ingredients. You choose to use, for example, palm oil or not. Sourcing your food is part of the 'green thing' too... Try to get local(ish) goods, goods in season - like in the old days
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I was being funny.
Remember when that was called a hangover after a good night out with friends. Ahhh yeah!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I guess I have a bit of an axe to grind because I have to hear about this so often. "How can you stand working with those grouchy old people? It would drive me crazy."
But I meant the part about nostalgia. EVERYBODY gets nostalgic sometimes; the problem is when somebody uses it to act superior to other people.
Kind of......i'm just trying to make bri feel better about things. But I think I'm going about it the wrong way.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Hey... i'm just sayin'...
All of that 'Those were the good old days' stuff is a bunch of bullshit. I'm saying the old days weren't any better or worse than the way things are today. The whole thing about having to bring a reusable grocery bag... is somehow WORSE than having to walk 5 miles through 3 feet of snow to school?
The original post is supposed to bring out how much better it was when there was an unlimited supply of brown paper bags. But, they never mention the fact that we gave up forests for those bags... so, we went to plastics... but, people let those thing fly all over the place and they end up in our oceans so we are looking to keep that from happening.
I'm just pointing out that things are the way they are today because of what the people before us have done. And what we do today will affect the people that come after us.
When i was a kid, that air was choking us when we were playing baseball on the playground. The air is better today, but, there are those trade-offs.
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The bottom line.. if the good old days were so fucking great... WHY did they allow them to change?
Hail, Hail!!!
Oh, and if you miss respect and manners of people? You can be an example of what you miss about it.
Things aren't better or worse... things are different.
For example, the reason why people today have more than one television in their homes is because back in the 50s, the television was a major purchase item. How many of us spend half a year's salary on a television these days? I'll tell you... none of us.
And if you go backwards, here in America... in the 50s, racism was the norm in the South, and there wasn't any violence on television because it was hapening in the bedroom. Back then, it was okay to beat the shit out of your wife... and even rape her, because... well, she deserved it.
Sure, we didn't have to burden ourselves with caring for our environment, because really... who gives a shit? It's not like it really matters, right? That smoke just goes up into space, doesn't it?
Hail, Hail!!!
No worries- getting older and feeling achy beats the alternative.
You made a good point, Who Princess, that most everybody thinks their generation was "the good old days" and it's natural for us to relate best with our peers. Really though, if we allow ourselves to be around people of a variety of ages we learn and gain so much more. For example, my father is 92 yrs old and his (rapidly dwindling, sorry to say) folks of his G.I. generation have so many great stories and much to teach us about the past. People my age have our history too- the 60's were a fascinating period of time. Younger adult generations often have great ideas and enough experience and energy to put them to action. Children have great energy and teenagers carry the torch of rebellion. And young children know often intuitively know more than the rest of us without even knowing it, thus the term "out of the mouths of babes".
As for things being better in the past than now, I'm beginning to believe that might only be true if we go back 4,000 years or more to when we had the brain capacity of humans along with the acuity of senses of wild animals.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You may be right about the 4,000 years thing. But the downside is we have to lose several billion humans in the process. And our life expectancy will be cut in half... meaning, you and i are dead.
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Like I said, Brian and I are Boomers and there are a lot of great things to remember about coming of age in the 60s but there are plenty of bad things too. I think that as people become more aware of problems and their causes, society improves in its responses--like your example of domestic violence. But even as we get better at some things, we still manage to be awful about others. So I agree, it's just different.
But I also said above, nostalgia is normal reaction to good memories. What's not good is believing your times were better than the present or someone else's past, just because you lived through them.
And I really am nostalgic for those cheap concert tickets.
You are so right! If I had lived my life exactly as I have only 200 year ago, I'd probably be dead. Time machine? No thanks! 20th/21st century's alright by me.
And we very well may lose several billions and of necessity revert to a simpler way of life and cut our life expectancy in half- not that I'm necessarily hoping for that, but it sure seems possible. Which reminds me of something I've heard a few times which is that the only animals to which we humans attach a greater importance of longevity over quality of life is ourselves.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Yeah... I just felt like expressing myself. Sorry to pick on your post.
And me... I'm from the 70s. There are things I love about the 70s and things I abhor about them. I remember seeing Deep Purple, Fleetwood Mac and Electric Light Orchestra in 1974 at the Shrine Auditorium for $6.50. And gas was about .33 cents per gallon.
BUT... I only made $1.45 and hour... Richard Nixon was President... Viet Nam was winding down and veterans were coming home (and they were kind of scary)... Israel was at War, again,... the air was thick with smog and Disco was on the rise.
And i remember older people telling me how great I had it and how they had to trudge through snow for 5 miles, avoiding bears... just to get to school. and how they had to do their homework by kerosene lamps (which was probably hell on the lungs)... and how they played to sticks and rocks instead of toys. I thought, how is THAT the good old days, right? It sounds like it sucked. Thank God for light bulbs and indoor plumbing.
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P.S. The Who in 1973 and 1976... hands down... the GREATEST Live act I have ever seen.
Hail, Hail!!!
The other thing we have to consider... we live in a hostile environment. The planet is hostile... the middle of the ocean or desert will kill us. We live comfortably... especially, here in America. We sleep indoors where we can control the temperature. We can keep food at hand for entended periods of time. We have potable running water.
There are trade-offs, but, we still possess the ability to choose. That old woman in the original story... she can still choose to mow her own lawn, modern society does not force her to use a power mower. We use power mowers so we don't spend a full afternoon mowing the fucking grass. We can spend it in the company of friends or familiy or whatever. Trade-offs.
Hail, Hail!!!
Absolutely disgusting.
Being a Who fan is an excellent example of living in the present.
That's why I have a hard time with people complaining about environmental issues.
I'll bet that there were old people back in the days when legislation was written to stop the practice of pouring used motor oil into the water systems. I'll bet people complained about 'losing freedom' and forced compliance to namby pamby Earth lovers. I certainly remember the ban on CFCs used for automotive air conditioning units and the fitting of emissions control devices and all of the protests from people about how the government was controlling everything.
I just don't get all of the fucking crying about curly light bulbs and having to bring your own grocery bags.
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Now, don't get me wrong... this is not pro-government rally... it is anti-pollution rant.
Hail, Hail!!!
And yeah, the CFC regulations and these every-other-year smog checks (at least, for my '97 Acura - I think it's her last year with me). I remember driving next to city buses SPEWING exhaust...glad they're clean now.
(I bet Aqua-Net-using chicks were pissed about the CFC/ozone regulations
The food with the extended shelf life contain preservatives that cause diverticulitis among other things. Home cooked food always taste better but who has time to bake bread when everyone has to work to afford those curly light bulbs and gas to get to work, Add the fact we have to give 60% of our pay checks to government so that they can send it to the people that hate use. Also when I was in school integration started and there were race riots....blacks beating up whites ( we were sent to an all black school).....but you know what? no one brought weapons to school, the kids fought with there fist....much better survival rate that way....even though there was fighting the kids did not wanted to kill anyone........child murders has to be the worst change that has come about with this new generation.
Living in the past does nothing but cause depression, ya know.
There are good and bad things about the past, there are good and bad things about the present. The thing is, we live in the Now. So, let's live in the Now, shall we?
Oh man... this post (and a few others) is a sorry reminder of past sins. In the first few years of the 70's I worked in an auto parts store (not so much because that's what I wanted to do but because I was young and it was a job). I tried to fit in by learning how to work on my car and I remember one time I flushed my radiator- anti freeze and all- over a gutter that ran into a sewer that ran into a creek that ran into the bay. It never even fucking occurred to me where that toxic crap was going. As far as I knew, it just went awayyyyyyyyy. But that was "the good old days" when everything bad just went... awayyyyyyyyyyyyy. What a dumb shit kid I was.
But I will say I changed my ways very quickly when I finally woke the hell up. Maybe that's why I work so hard to support environmental issues. I'm still making amends.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I'm sure you meant to type "walk" on the Ganges?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Brian... what WE were doing was the acceptable norm. EVERYONE flushed their radiators and changed their oil in their driveways or at the curb. All we had to do was hose down the driveway afterwards and all was good.
What changed us... EDUCATION. There were studied made that showed us that what we were doing was bad for our environment. That we had to change our ways... that just because the Prestone was off of our driveways, that didn't mean it was out of our world.
And I remember a lot of people griping about it back then because it is a real pain in the ass trying to recover and properly dispose of spent radiator fluid and motor oil... they were taking away our freedom to pollute.
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so, yeah... those were the good old days when we could work on our cars and dump its waste on the poor schmuck that live down stream from us. Trade-offs... what do we want... convienience or clean ground water?
Hail, Hail!!!
Exactly - in those days (damn... are we that old
And whilst it's true when I was young we may have flushed so much crap down the sewers, etc., it is also true that there was maybe less 'consumer'/packaging waste, etc.
Each generation has it's pros and cons. Let's hope this coming one (my daughter's age?) are more pros.
'Give Us Convienience.. or Give Us Death'. That is the convienience of America, food with a long shelf life. Again, trade offs... do you spend hours making home cooked food every night... After a long day at the office?
I don't know where you live, but I live in Southern California and 60% of my paycheck does NOT go to the government to send to al Qaeda. If you are stating that as a fact, it sound like you like in East Barfar, Yemen or something.
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Also... those bulbs don't cost a fortune. If you can't afford to buy them, then you obviously have way too many light fixtures in your home. I have florescent tubes in my home... in the kitchen and both bathrooms as well as the garage. I bought a case of tubes from the Home Depot back in 2000 or something and still have one unused. I bought a pack of those curly bulbs from Costco and replaced the bulbs in all of my fixtures that were not dimmable. I can still afford to eat and drive my car... and I think a lot of others are in the same boat. Curly bulbs didn't drive them into poverty.
Hail, Hail!!!
Pros and Cons... every generation has to deal with it.
The reusable grocery bags... sure, they can be a pain in the ass at times. I forget to move mine back from the kitchen to the car all the time. How i solved it... I have a bunch of them in the car, all the time. I got many of them free from trade shows or those give aways by insurance companies trying to get your business. I don't give a shit if i have a 'Kaiser-Permanente' and 'Geico' bag to haul my groceries. I beats the plastic bags that say, 'Abertsons' or 'Safeway' flying along the sands of Bolsa Chica State Beach.
Trade-offs... Convenience or trash? Which do you want? What do you want for your kids?
Hail, Hail!!!
Cake Mix (245g): Sugar, wheat flour, palm fat, raising agents: sodium bicarbonate, monocalcium phosphate; modified corn starch, salt, emulsifiers: propane-1,2-diol esters of fatty acids, mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids; dextrose, flavouring, stabiliser: xanthan gum; colour: curcumin; citric acid.
Glaze mix (50g): Sugar, flavouring, citric acid
I know where my ingredients come from. Look at the mix - palm fat: source of deforestation, loss of wildlife habitat and climate change. Where's the real lemon? Colour??? All this other crap too.
Did it take me longer? Well, I admit that the creaming of the butter and sugar might have taken an extra minute, add 30 seconds for zesting the lemons another 30 seconds for juicing it. A whole 2/3 minutes extra from scratch. Not much, really...
It's not just a question of health, but you can source your ingredients. You choose to use, for example, palm oil or not. Sourcing your food is part of the 'green thing' too... Try to get local(ish) goods, goods in season - like in the old days