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The Last American Man

brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,393
edited March 2013 in A Moving Train
Anyone who has ever felt like just walking away from all the chaos (I have) will find this interesting (I do) and maybe a bit unsettling. I say let Conway do his thing. Going primitive just isn't what it used to be.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/la ... 52568.html
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I saw this, I think it is ridiculous on what they are doing to him.

    I know most of you are not fans of Rand Paul but in his latest book he cites numerous examples of this very same thing happening to many people. Each has their own story, very interesting, very frightening.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    unsung wrote:
    I saw this, I think it is ridiculous on what they are doing to him.

    I know most of you are not fans of Rand Paul but in his latest book he cites numerous examples of this very same thing happening to many people. Each has their own story, very interesting, very frightening.

    Dude, not for nothing, but Rand Paul is a complete joke. He'll do and say ANYTHING. He's no Ron Paul that's for sure.
  • riotgrlriotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Sad really, to see that those who don't conform to the American standard are vilified for living differently. I would love to say I can walk into the wild and live there but as much as I don't want to be a product of this modern era, I am and would find it difficult to live this way. But I think it's awesome that he has been able to do this!
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    If he was there, by himself, living in the 18th century there would be no problem. But he is offering a service to the modern public. Read the last paragraph in that article. He's accepting money to "teach/show" people what its like to live back then. So he must comply with codes. If someone was to get hurt or sick while visiting turtle island, the county or state could be held liable for not enforcing health or fire codes.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    This is where our government's inability to govern by the intent of the law instead of the letter of the law drives me nuts.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Unfortunately, that's where we are today in our sue happy society.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,317
    Glad to see this guy who walked away from everything to live off the land was able to start a website complete with e-commerce.

    http://www.turtleislandpreserve.com/about-us

    It seems like no one is preventing him from living how he wants or maintaining his preserve. The issue seems to be that he has opened it to the public and when you do that there are certain standards and codes that must be met. Look at the schedule of events. It is completely geared towards children. These safety regulations are in place for a reason.

    2013 Summer Camp Dates

    Father and Son Camp
    June 14-17 , 2013

    Young Boys Camp (ages 7-10)
    June 23 - 29, 2013

    Adult Camp (ages 18+)
    June 25 - June 29, 2013

    Older Boys Camp (ages 11-17)
    June 30 - July 13, 2013

    Older Girls Camp (ages 12-18)
    July 14 - 27, 2013

    Young Girls Camp (ages 7-11)
    July 14 - 20, 2013

    Family Camp (all ages)
    August 1 - 7, 2013
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Hey, the Unabomber did this too. His bombings aside, Kaczynski did make me think about the move to distance from modernism, to survive on your own. Not that I'd do it myself, but I have a certain...admiration, I guess...of people who can do that.

    Same for this guy. Although if you're inviting folks to join you, there's a responsibility to ensure their safety (and a responsibility for the visitors to ensure their own as well).

    Related sidenote - anyone watch that documentary series a few years back of families living as if it were the 19th century? I think it was on PBS. Fascinating shit.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,393
    The way I see it, if you live in the wild or go with someone into the wild the only rules that should apply are respect for nature. Living in the wild is not "safe" in the same way living in civilization and visa versa. You take your chances either way but differently. Personally, I would rather be killed by a mountain lion than run over by a bus- but I probably would not have enough of the right skills to live in the wild so it looks like it's the bus for me. I'm glad someone out there is keeping basic living skills alive.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,317
    brianlux wrote:
    The way I see it, if you live in the wild or go with someone into the wild the only rules that should apply are respect for nature. Living in the wild is not "safe" in the same way living in civilization and visa versa. You take your chances either way but differently. Personally, I would rather be killed by a mountain lion than run over by a bus- but I probably would not have enough of the right skills to live in the wild so it looks like it's the bus for me. I'm glad someone out there is keeping basic living skills alive.

    And he can live any way he wants. But he is inviting children to his summer camp. Once you do that you are responsible for their safety.
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    JimmyV wrote:
    Glad to see this guy who walked away from everything to live off the land was able to start a website complete with e-commerce.

    http://www.turtleislandpreserve.com/about-us

    It seems like no one is preventing him from living how he wants or maintaining his preserve. The issue seems to be that he has opened it to the public and when you do that there are certain standards and codes that must be met. Look at the schedule of events. It is completely geared towards children. These safety regulations are in place for a reason.

    2013 Summer Camp Dates

    Father and Son Camp
    June 14-17 , 2013

    Young Boys Camp (ages 7-10)
    June 23 - 29, 2013

    Adult Camp (ages 18+)
    June 25 - June 29, 2013

    Older Boys Camp (ages 11-17)
    June 30 - July 13, 2013

    Older Girls Camp (ages 12-18)
    July 14 - 27, 2013

    Young Girls Camp (ages 7-11)
    July 14 - 20, 2013

    Family Camp (all ages)
    August 1 - 7, 2013


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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    brianlux wrote:
    The way I see it, if you live in the wild or go with someone into the wild the only rules that should apply are respect for nature. Living in the wild is not "safe" in the same way living in civilization and visa versa. You take your chances either way but differently. Personally, I would rather be killed by a mountain lion than run over by a bus- but I probably would not have enough of the right skills to live in the wild so it looks like it's the bus for me. I'm glad someone out there is keeping basic living skills alive.

    Your not going to feel that bus hit you. That mountain lion my take a chunk of my thigh before snapping my spinal cord. I think I'd take the bus
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Your not going to feel that bus hit you. That mountain lion my take a chunk of my thigh before snapping my spinal cord. I think I'd take the bus
    Bah, I'll take my chances with the mountain lion. I don't stand a chance against a bus, but a mountain lion??? Just one roundhouse turbo kick to the head and we are eating kitty burgers for dinner.

    After one week with me in the wilderness you'll be prepared to defend yourself with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
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    Party On, Dudes!
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Jason P wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Your not going to feel that bus hit you. That mountain lion my take a chunk of my thigh before snapping my spinal cord. I think I'd take the bus
    Bah, I'll take my chances with the mountain lion. I don't stand a chance against a bus, but a mountain lion??? Just one roundhouse turbo kick to the head and we are eating kitty burgers for dinner.

    After one week with me in the wilderness you'll be prepared to defend yourself with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.


    As long as your facilities are up to code! :lol:
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Your not going to feel that bus hit you. That mountain lion my take a chunk of my thigh before snapping my spinal cord. I think I'd take the bus
    Bah, I'll take my chances with the mountain lion. I don't stand a chance against a bus, but a mountain lion??? Just one roundhouse turbo kick to the head and we are eating kitty burgers for dinner.

    After one week with me in the wilderness you'll be prepared to defend yourself with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
    :P
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Reading this thread I can only think of Thoreau.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,317
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Reading this thread I can only think of Thoreau.

    I love Thoreau and I love Walden. But whenever I visit I am always a little disappointed that he built his cabin no more than 15 minutes or so by foot outside downtown Concord. He didn't even set up shop on the far side of the pond. Takes a little bit of the mystique away.

    But the spot he chose is stunning as is the whole area.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,393
    JimmyV wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Reading this thread I can only think of Thoreau.

    I love Thoreau and I love Walden. But whenever I visit I am always a little disappointed that he built his cabin no more than 15 minutes or so by foot outside downtown Concord. He didn't even set up shop on the far side of the pond. Takes a little bit of the mystique away.

    But the spot he chose is stunning as is the whole area.

    Thoreau set the foundation and paved the way for great nature writers like Edward Abbey, Rick Bass, Doug Peacock, Barry Lopez, Richard Manning, Terry Tempest Williams, Joseph Wood Krutch, Derrick Jensen, Farley Mowat, Sigurd F. Olson, Robert Michael Pyle, Bill McKibbem Wes Jackson, Edward O. Wilson and others, most or all of whom I'm guessing would or would have supported what Eustace Conway is trying to do.
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    "Try to not spook the horse."
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