I may be ready to succumb

Abuskedti

I have been stubborn to have made it this long

Abuskedti

I can't even spell it

hedonist

Succumb.

I love that word...how it can allude to weakness, physical pleasure, gluttony...so many possibilities.

So what is it you are giving in to?

Abuskedti

hedonist wrote:

Succumb.

I love that word...how it can allude to weakness, physical pleasure, gluttony...so many possibilities.

So what is it you are giving in to?

I guess essentially that I don't know anything. That the planet has too many humans. That working together toward a significat goal as humans is not possible. That we will last exactly as long as luck allows.

pj1981

I like the word only when it pertains to romance

hedonist

Abuskedti wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Succumb.

I love that word...how it can allude to weakness, physical pleasure, gluttony...so many possibilities.

So what is it you are giving in to?

I guess essentially that I don't know anything. That the planet has too many humans. That working together toward a significat goal as humans is not possible. That we will last exactly as long as luck allows.

Well yeah...that first part is, ironically, the path to knowledge. Which - also ironically - will never be fully attained

As far as luck goes, I'd replace that word with "we".

For all the beauty we're capable of, we're no different than animals. We ARE animals.

Why is that always so surprising?

brianlux

Abuskedti wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Succumb.

I love that word...how it can allude to weakness, physical pleasure, gluttony...so many possibilities.

So what is it you are giving in to?

I guess essentially that I don't know anything.

One of the marvels of living is that the longer we do it, the more we realize what we don't know, the more the opportunity there is to learn.

Abuskedti wrote:

That the planet has too many humans.

An unfortunate reality of our world. If we don't do something about it, ecology and biology will.

Abuskedti wrote:

That working together toward a significant goal as humans is not possible.

Read my thread, "We were one" and see if that might give you cause to believe otherwise. Or consider Vaclav Havels thoughts on hope: "Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well but rather is the conviction to do what makes sense no matter how things turn out." And there are lots of examples throughout history where working together HAS achieved significant goals. Of course, the option to be fatally pessimistic and without hope whatsoever is always there for the choosing.

Abuskedti wrote:

That we will last exactly as long as luck allows.

Leaving things to luck is also an option. But so is working together.

"Come one, come on, Let's Work Together, yeah now people." -Canned Heat

JonnyPistachio

Abuskedti wrote:

That the planet has too many humans.

I think we have grown large.. maybe too large, but...
have you ever flown in an airplane and been amazed at all the open lands and immense spans of nothing but trees, plains, or even water? Why are we right on top of each other? Can we spread out without ripping the Earth to shreds? Maybe we're not too large? who knows the limits really?

Abuskedti

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Abuskedti wrote:

That the planet has too many humans.

I think we have grown large.. maybe too large, but...
have you ever flown in an airplane and been amazed at all the open lands and immense spans of nothing but trees, plains, or even water? Why are we right on top of each other? Can we spread out without ripping the Earth to shreds? Maybe we're not too large? who knows the limits really?

I agree with you.. I think there is room. The limit is not so much on a number, but also on how we choose to live. And what I have seen and what has scared me and what i have finally given up on, is our ability to choose anything at all. We cherish our freedom to pull in different directions.

MotoDC

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Abuskedti wrote:

That the planet has too many humans.

I think we have grown large.. maybe too large, but...
have you ever flown in an airplane and been amazed at all the open lands and immense spans of nothing but trees, plains, or even water? Why are we right on top of each other? Can we spread out without ripping the Earth to shreds? Maybe we're not too large? who knows the limits really?

Flying into Seoul from Dulles, obviously took the Arctic loop, passing over what I can only assume was some part of northern Russia, maybe Siberia, at just the right time of day...blew my mind. The vast frozen tundra wasteland that stretched as far as the eye could see. Imagining trying to live there. Earth is pretty tiny in the cosmic sense but it certainly can feel immense.

I realize this doesn't have much to do with this thread, since the part of Earth that I'm talking about is largely uninhabitable, but your post triggered a memory that I felt compelled to share. :idea:

brianlux

Abuskedti wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Abuskedti wrote:

That the planet has too many humans.

I think we have grown large.. maybe too large, but...
have you ever flown in an airplane and been amazed at all the open lands and immense spans of nothing but trees, plains, or even water? Why are we right on top of each other? Can we spread out without ripping the Earth to shreds? Maybe we're not too large? who knows the limits really?

I agree with you.. I think there is room. The limit is not so much on a number, but also on how we choose to live. And what I have seen and what has scared me and what i have finally given up on, is our ability to choose anything at all. We cherish our freedom to pull in different directions.

In a way its does seem like there should be plenty of room for everyone, especially if you have flown over parts of the world or traveled in the US west where wide open spaces still exist. The problem lies in the fact that many of these wide open spaces cannot support large numbers of humans. The other thing we might want to take into consideration is that fact that we share this planet with other forms of life that, were they able to iterate so, would tell you they have a right to live here too. Or even just looking at it from a human perspective, reducing diversity of life reduces our chances of survival. This is basic to ecological science.

dancepartner

Succumb. Succumb to some primal acts -- not all.
Civilized. Civility is our communal divisor line.
Communal. Communal is what we are. Accept it by either embracing it or leaving it.
Monks. I don't want to be a monk.