not everyone who opposed/opposes gay marriage does so from a place of hate. I doubt Meg Whitman was dancing a jig because of inequality.
I've yet to hear an argument that didn't drip of either hate or head-inn-ass syndrome. Meg Whitman's reason, as I recall was that marriage equality would "cost too much." Translation is either "you should pay for me but I should not pay for you" or "hate doesn't sell as well as it used to, now we're trying to pander to people's wallets."
Some people are seeing the light and that's a good thing. Little steps, but they are steps.
What's the point of sharing your own troubles, trying to educate others? Help them understand, open their mind? And when some finally do, it's poo-pooed and more...hate...is spewed. That was my point.
That is true... but at the moment I feel like you're giving me shit because I'm not thanking someone for pulling out the knife they stabbed me with. The damage is done and this just isn't enough for me to see it as anything but political posturing and image repair. When I see some ACTUAL action and not just adding your name to a list, maybe I'll change my own tune. But not before.
years of bigotry and then sudden capitulation only when it is politically advantageous deserves no credit.
only a fool would believe that these people suddenly decided now was the time
I'm confused. Are we talking about the GOP or the President who is "evolving"?
Oh. Please.
Nobody has ever described the president's position as "bigotry" and he never supported any anti-equality legislation. While he took longer to come right out and say he supported marriage equality than many of us wished he had, comparing him to Meg Whitman and other GOP people who actively campaigned AGAINST equality is just wrong.
years of bigotry and then sudden capitulation only when it is politically advantageous deserves no credit.
only a fool would believe that these people suddenly decided now was the time
I'm confused. Are we talking about the GOP or the President who is "evolving"?
Oh. Please.
Nobody has ever described the president's position as "bigotry" and he never supported any anti-equality legislation. While he took longer to come right out and say he supported marriage equality than many of us wished he had, comparing him to Meg Whitman and other GOP people who actively campaigned AGAINST equality is just wrong.
Some people are seeing the light and that's a good thing. Little steps, but they are steps.
What's the point of sharing your own troubles, trying to educate others? Help them understand, open their mind? And when some finally do, it's poo-pooed and more...hate...is spewed. That was my point.
That is true... but at the moment I feel like you're giving me shit because I'm not thanking someone for pulling out the knife they stabbed me with. The damage is done and this just isn't enough for me to see it as anything but political posturing and image repair. When I see some ACTUAL action and not just adding your name to a list, maybe I'll change my own tune. But not before.
Not my intent to give you shit and I'm sorry if you took it that way. Wasn't expecting you to be thanking anyone but at the same time, just...disappointed in the ever-cynicism.
Hell, I've seen support for the (former?) scumbags who defected from Westboro. People can change - correction - *some* people can change. Yes, damage done and wish it hadn't been done to begin with, but like I said, it IS a start.
Nobody has ever described the president's position as "bigotry" and he never supported any anti-equality legislation. While he took longer to come right out and say he supported marriage equality than many of us wished he had, comparing him to Meg Whitman and other GOP people who actively campaigned AGAINST equality is just wrong.
It is a good point. But pretty sure inaction and support of defining marriage as a man and a woman doesn't really give you any high ground.
So the ones that stayed silent and let others spew hate aren't as bad? I say they are all equally wrong on the issue.
ANyway, I see this as a good thing, but it is a very, very small step.
So the ones that stayed silent and let others spew hate aren't as bad? I say they are all equally wrong on the issue.
The democrats did stay silent until they felt that the public perception had changed enough that stating their position in support of gay rights wouldn't have a negative effect at the polls. I like how they had Biden strategically test the waters before jumping in.
So the ones that stayed silent and let others spew hate aren't as bad? I say they are all equally wrong on the issue.
The democrats did stay silent until they felt that the public perception had changed enough that stating their position in support of gay rights wouldn't have a negative effect at the polls. I like how they had Biden strategically test the waters before jumping in.
"There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them."
- Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin, french politician
So the ones that stayed silent and let others spew hate aren't as bad? I say they are all equally wrong on the issue.
Oh... Equally wrong... Maybe.
Equally guilty of the damage done?
No. And that's what I'm pissed about.
I cannot begin to fully feel the anger you have towards those who ridiculously and very publicly minimize and chastise your way of life.
But as far as what you said here it reminds me of this
“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”
Plato
Just my opinion of course, but those who do and say nothing when they could have, should not receive the same anger from you, but they are definitely as much at fault for nothing changing.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Just my opinion of course, but those who do and say nothing when they could have, should not receive the same anger from you, but they are definitely as much at fault for nothing changing.
I think you're absolutely right there.
One of the reasons that I trucked it downtown and to East LA for two separate demonstrations against the Arizona "Papers Please" law. I thought it was horrible and racist and not the kind of country I wanted to live in.
I've gone to Pro-Choice rallies, and stood up for many minorities when I had nothing to gain. But honestly, I don't know if I would have done that had I not felt targeted myself. Strength in numbers.
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I'm confused. Are we talking about the GOP or the President who is "evolving"?
I've yet to hear an argument that didn't drip of either hate or head-inn-ass syndrome. Meg Whitman's reason, as I recall was that marriage equality would "cost too much." Translation is either "you should pay for me but I should not pay for you" or "hate doesn't sell as well as it used to, now we're trying to pander to people's wallets."
That is true... but at the moment I feel like you're giving me shit because I'm not thanking someone for pulling out the knife they stabbed me with. The damage is done and this just isn't enough for me to see it as anything but political posturing and image repair. When I see some ACTUAL action and not just adding your name to a list, maybe I'll change my own tune. But not before.
Oh. Please.
Nobody has ever described the president's position as "bigotry" and he never supported any anti-equality legislation. While he took longer to come right out and say he supported marriage equality than many of us wished he had, comparing him to Meg Whitman and other GOP people who actively campaigned AGAINST equality is just wrong.
Once again you make a lot of sense
Hell, I've seen support for the (former?) scumbags who defected from Westboro. People can change - correction - *some* people can change. Yes, damage done and wish it hadn't been done to begin with, but like I said, it IS a start.
I'm in no position to assign motives.
It is a good point. But pretty sure inaction and support of defining marriage as a man and a woman doesn't really give you any high ground.
So the ones that stayed silent and let others spew hate aren't as bad? I say they are all equally wrong on the issue.
ANyway, I see this as a good thing, but it is a very, very small step.
The democrats did stay silent until they felt that the public perception had changed enough that stating their position in support of gay rights wouldn't have a negative effect at the polls. I like how they had Biden strategically test the waters before jumping in.
"There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them."
- Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin, french politician
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Oh... Equally wrong... Maybe.
Equally guilty of the damage done?
No. And that's what I'm pissed about.
I cannot begin to fully feel the anger you have towards those who ridiculously and very publicly minimize and chastise your way of life.
But as far as what you said here it reminds me of this
“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”
Plato
Just my opinion of course, but those who do and say nothing when they could have, should not receive the same anger from you, but they are definitely as much at fault for nothing changing.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
True and it makes sense.
I think you're absolutely right there.
One of the reasons that I trucked it downtown and to East LA for two separate demonstrations against the Arizona "Papers Please" law. I thought it was horrible and racist and not the kind of country I wanted to live in.
I've gone to Pro-Choice rallies, and stood up for many minorities when I had nothing to gain. But honestly, I don't know if I would have done that had I not felt targeted myself. Strength in numbers.