My experience with some libertarians has shown a rigidity and refusal to compromise, a sense of superiority that theirs is the only true way, and a general contempt for anyone who disagrees because anyone who does not see things their way is ignorant and not as in-the-know as they. Not at all saying you are one of these people but they are out there.
Replace "libertarians" with "people" or every other party, and I'm with you.
People are the same all over.
I agree but only because I see Libertarianism as having changed over the last several years. Libertarian is a new label (gotta love them labels) for "Tea Party". It's not the same thing any more.
As a Libertarian, I agree. The Tea Party is ridiculous.
In some cases certainly. But I expect someone who is a hardcore Dem or Rep to be rigid in that ideology. With libertarians there is simultaneously this notion that they have risen above party politics but are somehow just as rigid in their beliefs.
what would be your definition of rising above party politics?
I would think rejecting the dominant parties platforms and not supporting someone based on party alignment would be above party politics. that doesn't mean a rigid belief system is absent. Libertarians are probably more rigid than the others in their beliefs but refuse to buy into the lesser of two evils argument that permeates party politics.
See, I don't agree that what some Libertarians are doing is any better than what some Dems or Republicans are doing. How many people are supporting Rand simply because he is Ron's son? Again, not saying you are one of them, but deep down you do know those people are out there. How different is that than supporting this year's democratic candidate just because someone is a Democrat? I don't see it as being much different at all. The sense of superiority coming from some Libertarians is a real turnoff to their cause.
For what it is worth I personally have never thought of the Tea Party as being a branch of Libertarianism.
In a libertarian Utopia he claims to want... anyone could own RonPaul.com and do whatever they wanted with it and neither the U.S. federal government nor the U.N. could do a thing about it.
It would be just like those roadside businesses that Ron and Rand Paul say should be able to turn away black people if they want. Or how food manufacturers should be able to post "healthy and nutritious" on boxes of saw dust and screw the buyer... do your own research and don't expect the Nanny State to protect you...
Libertarians love the idea of "hands off" until its their turn to be slighted. Then they suddenly think the gov'mnt needs to step in and help this poor soul.
Anyone paying attention to the Paul family knows that their "libertarianism" is just a way to say "yeah, I abuse everyone I want, steal what I want, do what I want, screw over who I want and the government has no right to tell me I can't."
Anyone paying attention to the Paul family knows that their "libertarianism" is just a way to say "yeah, I abuse everyone I want, steal what I want, do what I want, screw over who I want and the government has no right to tell me I can't."
"And if I can find a way to blame the government for any of it, I will."
Anyone paying attention to the Paul family knows that their "libertarianism" is just a way to say "yeah, I abuse everyone I want, steal what I want, do what I want, screw over who I want and the government has no right to tell me I can't."
"And if I can find a way to blame the government for any of it, I will."
sorry you guys feel that way.
They believe the gov't is there to protect individuals, but you can mis-characterize it all you want.
You can disagree with them, in fact, I disagree with a lot of Rand Paul's decisions, but don't simply make shit up. There is plenty you can disagree with them on, why make stuff up?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I believe that government has been very good to the Pauls and demonizing government has been even better. I don't believe they even believe what they are saying much of the time, yet they have a fanatical following who treats every word as gospel. I don't respect that.
And I do not agree that saying the Pauls will blame government for anything and everything they can is making something up. I think they have proven that statement to be true.
most of the money went to Jesse Benton, who ran his campaign. That son of a bitch, paying his campaign manager...Did they bother to find out what they paid these people to do and if they did it or not?
Interesting report, but if you neglect saying that the grandson in law in question is the campaign manager, what agenda are you trying to push?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
most of the money went to Jesse Benton, who ran his campaign. That son of a bitch, paying his campaign manager...Did they bother to find out what they paid these people to do and if they did it or not?
Interesting report, but if you neglect saying that the grandson in law in question is the campaign manager, what agenda are you trying to push?
The campaign manager who won not a single primary if I remember correctly. Would a more qualified campaign manager perhaps have had more success?
My agenda? I believe the Pauls funneled campaign funds to their relatives whenever possible. I am pointing this out. That is my agenda.
most of the money went to Jesse Benton, who ran his campaign. That son of a bitch, paying his campaign manager...Did they bother to find out what they paid these people to do and if they did it or not?
Interesting report, but if you neglect saying that the grandson in law in question is the campaign manager, what agenda are you trying to push?
The campaign manager who won not a single primary if I remember correctly. Would a more qualified campaign manager perhaps have had more success?
My agenda? I believe the Pauls funneled campaign funds to their relatives whenever possible. I am pointing this out. That is my agenda.
not so much your agenda, but the agenda of the report. If a politician pays money to a family member for a legitimate purpose, how is that wrong?
Don't know what a better campaign manager would have done, I thought they did a good job getting the message out all things considered. I mean when you finish second in New Hampshire and people on MSNBC call you a fraud and say John Huntsman is the real second, what chance did you have?
When you don't have a lot of support in the GOP fanatical base, what kind of primary victory is he going to have? If the rules hadn't been changed at the GOP national convention he would have been nominated from the floor. And at that point a debate within the party would have been a good thing.
for someone in gov't for self gain, why would he never talk to a lobbyist? I am saddened that the two politicians left who believed in something both were gone this year.
There have been three politicians I have believed meant what they said, Ron Paul (R), Paul Wellstone (D), and Dennis Kucinich (D). The rest use(d) have truths and lies, including switching unpopular decisions because they were unpopular at the time.
I wouldn't say I am a fanatical follower who treats his words as gospel, he has done some strange stuff, but his opinions certainly made me do my own research as they were vastly different from most politicians.
If you see poor financial and monetary policy as a catalyst for a lot of wrongs in our society, and those two things are controlled and manipulated by the gov't, who deserves the blame? When you are a politician, and you believe that gov't policy has caused problems, would it make sense to blame the populace or the gov't that puts the rules in play?
People blame the gov't all the time, but when Paul does it eye rolls and sighs happen and I don't know why, ok I do know why, but it doesn't make it right
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I believe that government has been very good to the Pauls and demonizing government has been even better. I don't believe they even believe what they are saying much of the time, yet they have a fanatical following who treats every word as gospel. I don't respect that.
And I do not agree that saying the Pauls will blame government for anything and everything they can is making something up. I think they have proven that statement to be true.
I was referring to this
"yeah, I abuse everyone I want, steal what I want, do what I want, screw over who I want and the government has no right to tell me I can't."
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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As a Libertarian, I agree. The Tea Party is ridiculous.
See, I don't agree that what some Libertarians are doing is any better than what some Dems or Republicans are doing. How many people are supporting Rand simply because he is Ron's son? Again, not saying you are one of them, but deep down you do know those people are out there. How different is that than supporting this year's democratic candidate just because someone is a Democrat? I don't see it as being much different at all. The sense of superiority coming from some Libertarians is a real turnoff to their cause.
For what it is worth I personally have never thought of the Tea Party as being a branch of Libertarianism.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
He's now suing the people who own Ron Paul.com and RonPaul.org, even though they had originally offered him.org for free.
And this "people should be able to do what they want" has gone crying to the UNITED F-ing NATIONS begging for help.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ron-paul ... -for-help/
In a libertarian Utopia he claims to want... anyone could own RonPaul.com and do whatever they wanted with it and neither the U.S. federal government nor the U.N. could do a thing about it.
It would be just like those roadside businesses that Ron and Rand Paul say should be able to turn away black people if they want. Or how food manufacturers should be able to post "healthy and nutritious" on boxes of saw dust and screw the buyer... do your own research and don't expect the Nanny State to protect you...
Libertarians love the idea of "hands off" until its their turn to be slighted. Then they suddenly think the gov'mnt needs to step in and help this poor soul.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/22/r ... 1-million/
What a scam they have pulled on their followers.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Libertarian utopia. the rich get richer and cronyism runs rampant.
"And if I can find a way to blame the government for any of it, I will."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
sorry you guys feel that way.
They believe the gov't is there to protect individuals, but you can mis-characterize it all you want.
You can disagree with them, in fact, I disagree with a lot of Rand Paul's decisions, but don't simply make shit up. There is plenty you can disagree with them on, why make stuff up?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
And I do not agree that saying the Pauls will blame government for anything and everything they can is making something up. I think they have proven that statement to be true.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
most of the money went to Jesse Benton, who ran his campaign. That son of a bitch, paying his campaign manager...Did they bother to find out what they paid these people to do and if they did it or not?
Interesting report, but if you neglect saying that the grandson in law in question is the campaign manager, what agenda are you trying to push?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
The campaign manager who won not a single primary if I remember correctly. Would a more qualified campaign manager perhaps have had more success?
My agenda? I believe the Pauls funneled campaign funds to their relatives whenever possible. I am pointing this out. That is my agenda.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
not so much your agenda, but the agenda of the report. If a politician pays money to a family member for a legitimate purpose, how is that wrong?
Don't know what a better campaign manager would have done, I thought they did a good job getting the message out all things considered. I mean when you finish second in New Hampshire and people on MSNBC call you a fraud and say John Huntsman is the real second, what chance did you have?
When you don't have a lot of support in the GOP fanatical base, what kind of primary victory is he going to have? If the rules hadn't been changed at the GOP national convention he would have been nominated from the floor. And at that point a debate within the party would have been a good thing.
for someone in gov't for self gain, why would he never talk to a lobbyist? I am saddened that the two politicians left who believed in something both were gone this year.
There have been three politicians I have believed meant what they said, Ron Paul (R), Paul Wellstone (D), and Dennis Kucinich (D). The rest use(d) have truths and lies, including switching unpopular decisions because they were unpopular at the time.
I wouldn't say I am a fanatical follower who treats his words as gospel, he has done some strange stuff, but his opinions certainly made me do my own research as they were vastly different from most politicians.
If you see poor financial and monetary policy as a catalyst for a lot of wrongs in our society, and those two things are controlled and manipulated by the gov't, who deserves the blame? When you are a politician, and you believe that gov't policy has caused problems, would it make sense to blame the populace or the gov't that puts the rules in play?
People blame the gov't all the time, but when Paul does it eye rolls and sighs happen and I don't know why, ok I do know why, but it doesn't make it right
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I was referring to this
"yeah, I abuse everyone I want, steal what I want, do what I want, screw over who I want and the government has no right to tell me I can't."
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan