US Postal Service to end Saturday letter delivery

JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
edited February 2013 in A Moving Train
For a gov't agency as inefficient as the USPS, it's about time they're doing something about things. It's not in stone yet though, the employee union will of course fight it; as unions are usually against all business reform and are only looking out for the workers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21357663

The US Postal Service plans to end Saturday delivery of first-class mail by August, in its latest cost-cutting drive.

The move would save about $2bn (£1.3bn) a year, according to the agency.

But the USPS will still deliver parcels six days a week, a service that has grown by 14% since 2010.

The financially troubled postal service lost nearly $16bn last year and has defaulted twice on required payments to the US government.

"Our financial condition is urgent," Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe told reporters on Wednesday.

The 237-year-old institution is in the middle of a major restructuring, although it is projected to remain in the red this year.

'Disastrous idea'
Since 2006, the agency has reduced its costs by about $15bn and cut its workforce by 28%, the equivalent of 193,000 jobs.

Most of the mail agency's financial woes come from mounting mandatory costs for future retiree health benefits. The USPS has asked Congress to reduce the payments, but lawmakers have not acted.

The new proposal may require congressional approval. Although the USPS does not receive taxpayer funding, it is subject to government control.

Mr Donahoe said the service reduction could be carried out through a combination of employee reassignment and attrition.

He also pointed to research that suggests seven in 10 Americans support the shift to a five-day schedule.

But Frederic Rolando, president of the National Association of Letter Carriers, said it was a "disastrous idea".

It "would have a profoundly negative effect on the Postal Service and on millions of customers", he said, adding that businesses, rural communities, the elderly and disabled were just some of the groups that depended on Saturday service for work and communication.

Analysts say the postal service is making the change because it has little other choice.

"It's unclear whether the USPS has the legislative authority to take such actions on its own, but the alternative is the status quo until it is completely cash starved," James O'Rourke, a professor of management at the University of Notre Dame, told the Associated Press.

While the rising healthcare payment made up $11bn of last year's $16bn loss, the agency has also been weakened by the internet and competition from rivals such as FedEx and UPS.

But parcel deliveries have grown as consumers order more products from sites such as eBay and Amazon.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,459
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Most of the mail agency's financial woes come from mounting mandatory costs for future retiree health benefits.


    Bingo.
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  • It is my humble opinion that the United States Postal Service be disbanded. It is now the 21st Century. Most of the mail I receive is bullshit junk. Bills can be sent via ethernet and packages through private org.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    I can't believe the US still does Saturday delivery, it is amazing. In Canada there hasn't been Saturday delivery for something like 40 years. Hell they don't even do Saturday pick up and haven't for at least 8 years.
  • I can't believe the US still does Saturday delivery, it is amazing. In Canada there hasn't been Saturday delivery for something like 40 years. Hell they don't even do Saturday pick up and haven't for at least 8 years.

    I know. The first time I heard that the US got mail on Saturdays I thought someone was talking about some fantasy land.
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  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    I can't believe the US still does Saturday delivery


    i've been wondering this for years and i live here
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    mysticweed wrote:
    I can't believe the US still does Saturday delivery


    i've been wondering this for years and i live here

    I looked it up and the crazy thing is that Canada stopped doing Saturday delivery in 1969. Which made perfect sense since at the time if you got a piece of mail on Saturday that needed you to do something you couldn't do anything until Monday anyways. I mean if you got a bill or a cheque in the mail you couldn't cash it because banks were closed and there was no ATM. If the US had gotten rid of it then, it probably would have been an easy sell to the people.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    whgarrett wrote:
    It is my humble opinion that the United States Postal Service be disbanded. It is now the 21st Century. Most of the mail I receive is bullshit junk. Bills can be sent via ethernet and packages through private org.

    A couple problems with that are that the people who use the mail the most for letters are the same old people who always vote and if their representative in government tries to disband the post office he wouldn't last long in office. Plus as far as packages go my understanding is that in the US for any kind of rural area that is not a major city if you send a package via UPS then UPS will fly it to the major city then they will just contract the postal service to handle local delivery. If the postal service was gone, package service would either become more expensive or not be available to a large portion of the US population.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    It wouldn't bother me if they went to one day a week or cut it out altogether. I only bother to check my mailbox every couple of days and I rarely get anything worthwhile or that couldn't be sent to me by other means.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Most of the mail agency's financial woes come from mounting mandatory costs for future retiree health benefits.


    Bingo.

    Because of the union.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I can't believe the US still does Saturday delivery, it is amazing. In Canada there hasn't been Saturday delivery for something like 40 years. Hell they don't even do Saturday pick up and haven't for at least 8 years.

    My husband is a letter carrier, and when he found out years ago that Canada had no Sat. delivery, he immediately wanted to look into movingl :lol:
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,459
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Most of the mail agency's financial woes come from mounting mandatory costs for future retiree health benefits.


    Bingo.

    Because of the union.

    Double Bingo.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    Jeanwah wrote:


    Bingo.

    Because of the union.

    Double Bingo.

    Is everyone sure about bingo, because here's the next sentence: "The USPS has asked Congress to reduce the payments, but lawmakers have not acted."
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Is everyone sure about bingo, because here's the next sentence: "The USPS has asked Congress to reduce the payments, but lawmakers have not acted."


    who secured the health benefits for the retirees?

    interesting article on it

    http://www.govexec.com/management/2012/ ... ays/60381/

    "A Government Accountability Office study analyzed several approaches to a prefunding mandate for the benefits, finding cuts to what USPS must pay in the near future will result in a larger liability farther down the road..."
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    i think i'd prefer mondy be cancelled and saterday kept.
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    New hires will only work a 30 hr work week with no possiblity of overtime. :fp:
  • Jeanwah wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Most of the mail agency's financial woes come from mounting mandatory costs for future retiree health benefits.


    Bingo.

    Because of the union.

    Actually this is why:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Acc ... ct_of_2006
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I think they'll eventually go the way of many print shops and similar services, as they're just not needed anymore - at least to the extent they once were.

    99% of our mail consists of catalogues, real estate solicitations, credit card applications and the like.

    All get tossed.

    What a waste, on so many levels.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    the radio channel i was listening to today had contradicting information. they said no more mail will be delivered on saturdays. then they said all post offices will remain open & all po boxes will still receieve their mail on saturdays :?
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Our postal service (Canada Post) had 16 straight years of profitability up until 2011 ... they are also unionized. As usual some prefer to blame the unions.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    sachtriv wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:


    Bingo.

    Because of the union.

    Actually this is why:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Acc ... ct_of_2006


    pay now or pay later, large payments to cover retiree benefits still have to be paid
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    chadwick wrote:
    the radio channel i was listening to today had contradicting information. they said no more mail will be delivered on saturdays. then they said all post offices will remain open & all po boxes will still receieve their mail on saturdays :?

    doesn't sound contradicting. the mail trucks will be off the road, the office's will still be open so you can mail shit and do other shit that requires people
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Our postal service (Canada Post) had 16 straight years of profitability up until 2011 ... they are also unionized. As usual some prefer to blame the unions.

    Isn't the mail in Canada delivered by horse and dogsled anyway? It's not difficult to be profitable when you don't have to pay the animals.
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  • know1 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Our postal service (Canada Post) had 16 straight years of profitability up until 2011 ... they are also unionized. As usual some prefer to blame the unions.

    Isn't the mail in Canada delivered by horse and dogsled anyway? It's not difficult to be profitable when you don't have to pay the animals.

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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    know1 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Our postal service (Canada Post) had 16 straight years of profitability up until 2011 ... they are also unionized. As usual some prefer to blame the unions.

    Isn't the mail in Canada delivered by horse and dogsled anyway? It's not difficult to be profitable when you don't have to pay the animals.

    it sure is ... its always funny watching americans crossing the border with ski's on the roof of their cars in August ;)

    Or maybe it's easier to be profitable when you charge the appropriate amount for a service instead of always running debt ...
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Our postal service (Canada Post) had 16 straight years of profitability up until 2011 ... they are also unionized. As usual some prefer to blame the unions.
    Canada post does a lot of shit that the USPS doesn't seem to bother with. Like I said we don't do Saturday delivery (and haven't for over 40 years). Plus when was the last time anyone in Canada went into an actual post office. For the most part there aren't any more. Instead there are postal outlets in the back of Drug Stores and 7-11's. Those places are run like post offices but instead of being owned, staffed and managed by Canada Post they are owned staffed and managed by the owner of the store they are in. That to me must save a ton of money since Canada post gets fees from the outlet owners (plus money when things like stamps are sold), but they don't have to own and maintain buildings, or have pay staff to work in them. But in the US it seems that every town I go into has a separate post office that is a USPS building. Not to mention you can buy stamps in all kinds of places that aren't the post office. You can buy giant rolls of stamps from Costco.

    Plus my understanding is that in Canada if you buy a new house in a newer sub division, you don't get service to your door. There will be say a bank of post office boxes at the end of your street and you will get a box in one of those and a key. Does the USPS do anything like that? These things seem super simple but it would seem obvious that they are huge money savers.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    know1 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Our postal service (Canada Post) had 16 straight years of profitability up until 2011 ... they are also unionized. As usual some prefer to blame the unions.

    Isn't the mail in Canada delivered by horse and dogsled anyway? It's not difficult to be profitable when you don't have to pay the animals.

    That's as good as a Yank saying you don't have a gun problem.

    I hate the post office in America.

    My comment was a slam on Canada in general.
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  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,124
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Most of the mail agency's financial woes come from mounting mandatory costs for future retiree health benefits.


    Bingo.

    I seriously doubt bingo is the financial answer to this problem.

    Bingo and a bake sale.... maybe
    but not just bingo alone.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,459
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Our postal service (Canada Post) had 16 straight years of profitability up until 2011 ... they are also unionized. As usual some prefer to blame the unions.


    And as usual, some prefer to ignore the issues that some unions bring.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,084
    I'll never understand the vitriol against the US Postal Service. I can write a letter to a friend in Maine and for a mere 41 cents ( I have "Forever" stamps) it will arrive there in a few days. That alone is effin amazing. I know people who have worked for the Postal Service for many years. Their bodies take a beating like a professional athlete but no way do they make the salaries of an average pro sports athlete. Mail carries beat the pavement in my town everyday (except Sunday and maybe soon Saturday) in weather that varies from snow in the winter to blast furnace heat in the summer.

    I just don't get the bad rap these people get. Never will.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    brianlux wrote:
    I'll never understand the vitriol against the US Postal Service. I can write a letter to a friend in Maine and for a mere 41 cents ( I have "Forever" stamps) it will arrive there in a few days. That alone is effin amazing. I know people who have worked for the Postal Service for many years. Their bodies take a beating like a professional athlete but no way do they make the salaries of an average pro sports athlete. Mail carries beat the pavement in my town everyday (except Sunday and maybe soon Saturday) in weather that varies from snow in the winter to blast furnace heat in the summer.

    I just don't get the bad rap these people get. Never will.

    I have my reasons. Most of them have to do with dealing with the miserable, grumpy folks who work there and don't deal with people well. Also, a line of 3 people shouldn't take 25 minutes to get through.
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