It sounds like you've been more than fair in dealing with the other party. Why leave the rest of the community exposed to other possible rip-offs? Get his/her name out there.
Sorry to hear about this situation, but very cool of the other members to step in and make sure you got the item you were originally after.
one thing you can do if all you are concerned about is them not doing this to anyone else, pm the OP of the good trader's list and let him know about your situation.
he might take them off the list if they refuse to answer to the allegations.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Sadly, I agree with chalking it up to a bad deal and moving on.
Worst case scenerio is you paid $40 or close to that to learn fully of someones character and level of trust. I know its hard seeing as it is a friend, but unfortunately, things will never be the same between you guys after this regardless of the outcome.
There's Pearl Jam, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson......and then everybody else.
I trade posters with a few people on here, and I was sent a poster from the MIA show. The person who sent it I had traded with a few times before, and someone I trust. When the poster was sent, they forgot to get a tracking number, but I called the post office anyway. The manager said that I should have received the poster-it had been over a month, but he would leave a note with the carrier for my route. 2 days later the poster showed up on my doorstep.
Try all avenues, you do seem to really care about the person you made the trade with.
If you still don't hear back, then I agree with SuzieMay, chalk it up to a bad experience, and don't trade with them again. At least you didn't lose hundreds or thousands of dollars.
The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
George Bush.
God - sometimes I miss George.
I don't know . . . it's a hard call. I can tell you are truly trying to do the right thing. But if you don't call them out or have them taken off the trusted trader list you are leaving others vulnerable. And to have to monitor the offender's trades yourself seems to be a bit much. I guess I would see if I could get them taken off the list. Of course, that doesn't mean everyone checks the list diligently either. :fp:
And the sun it may be shining . . . but there's an ocean in my eyes
I trade posters with a few people on here, and I was sent a poster from the MIA show. The person who sent it I had traded with a few times before, and someone I trust. When the poster was sent, they forgot to get a tracking number, but I called the post office anyway. The manager said that I should have received the poster-it had been over a month, but he would leave a note with the carrier for my route. 2 days later the poster showed up on my doorstep.
Try all avenues, you do seem to really care about the person you made the trade with.
If you still don't hear back, then I agree with SuzieMay, chalk it up to a bad experience, and don't trade with them again. At least you didn't lose hundreds or thousands of dollars.
Thanks Lisa, I agree with what you're saying for the most part--being fair and giving people the benefit of the doubt---especially when it's a friend. It's hard to ignore the facts-
Our post office told me I needed a tracking number in order for them to look into it....and since the person told me they had one but first- forgot at their office- then, said it was delivered but refused to supply me with the number, I have very few choices as far as conclusions to draw.
I don't think this is a case of a "bad" person, I honestly think they just are lazy and don't regard things like keeping up their end of the bargain as important. You're right though, exploring all avenues. We tried to be understanding and patient. We gave them more chances then I think most people would, and it's been met with excuses, lies and now, silence. This was really our last ditch effort.
I sent the person a link to this thread with one last request to make it right. The message was read this morning and not responded to--so, to me that signals that they don't care.
Tomorrow I plan to name them unless we get some kind of response or a payment. I hate to resort to this, but the person left me no choice.
we both really appreciate all the advice and support we have gotten here and privately. We will probably make a few people upset if we get to where we decide to post the persons identity, but at the end of the day we believe that's what's best for the community. We don't care about the poster or the money- it's the principle. We have already decided what we will do with the money if we are paid (repay Mike) or if we get the poster, it's going to someone else. We would rather warn others then let this one go.
Thanks everyone--means a lot to be validated in how we are feeling right now.
Makes much more sense...
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI 2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
George Bush.
sounds like a cheesy one liner from CSI...man alive.
That I no longer give a fuck Who is wrong and who’s right
I read this whole thing, you did everything proper. It's been far too long and it seems as if the person you traded with stopped being reasonable.
This is what you do. Call them out on here, post the name of the ratfucker, so everyone else here knows who it is. Make this fucker feel shame, protect the rest of your pearl jam friends from getting fucked by this guy. Then move on, people baffle me.
I sent the person a link to this thread with one last request to make it right. The message was read this morning and not responded to--so, to me that signals that they don't care.
Tomorrow I plan to name them unless we get some kind of response or a payment. I hate to resort to this, but the person left me no choice.
This is the proper way, you gave the person all the time in the world to make things right. I think that members of the commuity deserve to know who they can trust . This sucks happening in here...
ATHENS / 30-9-2006, MANCHESTER / 20-6-2012, MANCHESTER / 21-6-2012, AMSTERDAM / 16-6-2014, AMSTERDAM / 17-6-2014, AMSTERDAM / 12-6-2018, AMSTERDAM / 13-6-2018, PRAGUE / 1-7-2018, KRAKOW / 3-7-2018, BERLIN / 5-7-2018
You know how stubborn I am I will send the money back. Or buy you guys anther poster or something. If you think I'm joking just go ahead and try me.
Makes much more sense...
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI 2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
Tomorrow I plan to name them unless we get some kind of response or a payment.
:corn:
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
I agree with the people here. You've done everything you could and way way more than most people would. Naming names isn't something that should be done lightly as there are different sides to every story. You have moved with the necessary caution, and pointing him to this thread is more than enough of a warning as to what will happen.
It's always a shame to see transactions end this way, but thankfully it's very rare. Don't let it color you in the future!
Tomorrow I plan to name them unless we get some kind of response or a payment.
:corn:
I did hear from the person today in a very short PM with a proposed solution-to hand deliver thier own copy of the poster to us on Friday, which I said no to for a few reasons. That does not work for us. I proposed back and heard nothing else. Money in the paypal or a working tracking number are the only things that might get me to let up.
I am waiting until I get home from work to discuss with Stephen on how we want to proceed. Whether its he or I physically typing something on this thread, the messages are from us both. Personally I feel about ready to just give up and post the name though.
Makes much more sense...
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI 2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
With my feelings confirmed by Stephen, so here goes.
Many of you are going to try and make excuses or defend this person, I already anticipate that and just want to say ahead of time: nothing that can be said will change our minds about what transpired in this deal, so if your goal is to change our minds, im sorry but it won't happen.
Our advice is to steer clear of any trades/deals/purchases and sales with "of.the.girl"
At the very least, insist she fulfill her aide of the deal before you lose out.
Sheila, I wish we could have resolved this another way.
Makes much more sense...
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI 2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
I thought they were on the A+ traders list.... or was she taken off?
Her old name was on there, Don contacted me after seeing the thread and I requested it be taken off. I don't know exactly how he handles it.
Makes much more sense...
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI 2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
If you really want to pay me back. Buy me a couple of beers in Chicago. But other than that don't worry about it. It's what we do. I seem to remember asking you for just a sticker when you went to Europe and you sent me two stickers and a button that everyone loves. Also the gift card for Ringo and Snowball come on now. But if you feel you have to pay me back in some way then a beer would be swell. I also accept J's
If you really want to pay me back. Buy me a couple of beers in Chicago. But other than that don't worry about it. It's what we do. I seem to remember asking you for just a sticker when you went to Europe and you sent me two stickers and a button that everyone loves. Also the gift card for Ringo and Snowball come on now. But if you feel you have to pay me back in some way then a beer would be swell. I also accept J's
You're welcome and beers sound like a good payback!
Makes much more sense...
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI 2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
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Sorry to hear about this situation, but very cool of the other members to step in and make sure you got the item you were originally after.
he might take them off the list if they refuse to answer to the allegations.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Worst case scenerio is you paid $40 or close to that to learn fully of someones character and level of trust. I know its hard seeing as it is a friend, but unfortunately, things will never be the same between you guys after this regardless of the outcome.
I trade posters with a few people on here, and I was sent a poster from the MIA show. The person who sent it I had traded with a few times before, and someone I trust. When the poster was sent, they forgot to get a tracking number, but I called the post office anyway. The manager said that I should have received the poster-it had been over a month, but he would leave a note with the carrier for my route. 2 days later the poster showed up on my doorstep.
Try all avenues, you do seem to really care about the person you made the trade with.
If you still don't hear back, then I agree with SuzieMay, chalk it up to a bad experience, and don't trade with them again. At least you didn't lose hundreds or thousands of dollars.
- Christopher McCandless
It's my superpower so it comes naturally.
George Bush.
God - sometimes I miss George.
I don't know . . . it's a hard call. I can tell you are truly trying to do the right thing. But if you don't call them out or have them taken off the trusted trader list you are leaving others vulnerable. And to have to monitor the offender's trades yourself seems to be a bit much. I guess I would see if I could get them taken off the list. Of course, that doesn't mean everyone checks the list diligently either. :fp:
Thanks Lisa, I agree with what you're saying for the most part--being fair and giving people the benefit of the doubt---especially when it's a friend. It's hard to ignore the facts-
Our post office told me I needed a tracking number in order for them to look into it....and since the person told me they had one but first- forgot at their office- then, said it was delivered but refused to supply me with the number, I have very few choices as far as conclusions to draw.
I don't think this is a case of a "bad" person, I honestly think they just are lazy and don't regard things like keeping up their end of the bargain as important. You're right though, exploring all avenues. We tried to be understanding and patient. We gave them more chances then I think most people would, and it's been met with excuses, lies and now, silence. This was really our last ditch effort.
I sent the person a link to this thread with one last request to make it right. The message was read this morning and not responded to--so, to me that signals that they don't care.
Tomorrow I plan to name them unless we get some kind of response or a payment. I hate to resort to this, but the person left me no choice.
we both really appreciate all the advice and support we have gotten here and privately. We will probably make a few people upset if we get to where we decide to post the persons identity, but at the end of the day we believe that's what's best for the community. We don't care about the poster or the money- it's the principle. We have already decided what we will do with the money if we are paid (repay Mike) or if we get the poster, it's going to someone else. We would rather warn others then let this one go.
Thanks everyone--means a lot to be validated in how we are feeling right now.
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI
2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
sounds like a cheesy one liner from CSI...man alive.
Who is wrong and who’s right
This is what you do. Call them out on here, post the name of the ratfucker, so everyone else here knows who it is. Make this fucker feel shame, protect the rest of your pearl jam friends from getting fucked by this guy. Then move on, people baffle me.
YOU BETTER NOT. IT'S CALLED A GIFT.
You know how stubborn I am I will send the money back. Or buy you guys anther poster or something. If you think I'm joking just go ahead and try me.
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI
2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
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she name names
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
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St. Paul 2014
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I did hear from the person today in a very short PM with a proposed solution-to hand deliver thier own copy of the poster to us on Friday, which I said no to for a few reasons. That does not work for us. I proposed back and heard nothing else. Money in the paypal or a working tracking number are the only things that might get me to let up.
I am waiting until I get home from work to discuss with Stephen on how we want to proceed. Whether its he or I physically typing something on this thread, the messages are from us both. Personally I feel about ready to just give up and post the name though.
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI
2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
Many of you are going to try and make excuses or defend this person, I already anticipate that and just want to say ahead of time: nothing that can be said will change our minds about what transpired in this deal, so if your goal is to change our minds, im sorry but it won't happen.
Our advice is to steer clear of any trades/deals/purchases and sales with "of.the.girl"
At the very least, insist she fulfill her aide of the deal before you lose out.
Sheila, I wish we could have resolved this another way.
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI
2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
Her old name was on there, Don contacted me after seeing the thread and I requested it be taken off. I don't know exactly how he handles it.
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI
2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2
If you really want to pay me back. Buy me a couple of beers in Chicago. But other than that don't worry about it. It's what we do. I seem to remember asking you for just a sticker when you went to Europe and you sent me two stickers and a button that everyone loves. Also the gift card for Ringo and Snowball come on now. But if you feel you have to pay me back in some way then a beer would be swell. I also accept J's
shame...shame....shame...sheila
why?!?!
over a $40 poster??....wow
You're welcome
2011: East Troy, WI 1 & 2; Toronto ON 1 & 2; Hamilton ON
2012: Berlin, Germany 1& 2; Stockholm Sweden; Oslo Norway; Copenhagen Denmark
2013: Wrigley Field- Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA 1 & 2; Hartford, CT; Vancouver BC; Seattle, WA.
2014: Cincinnati, OH; St. Louis, MO; Moline, IL; Milwaukee, WI
2016: Wrigley Field- Chicago 1&2