out of touch republicans

brianlux

unsung wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

unsung wrote:

Abortion kills more life than any so-called assault weapon.

I have no idea what an assault weapon is. Who made that term up anyway?

Back on topic,abortion had killed 55,000,000 since roe v wade in 1973.
That's more dead than the population of California and New York.

Who knows. This topic isn't about guns though, it's about how Republicans are destroying their voter base while trying to defend life.

What also irritates me is that it forces me to defend Republicans.

Why do you feel the need to defend Republicans? They made their own bed.

hedonist

I wish this weren't party-based (or party-biased, as it seems to be).

There are out of touch PEOPLE, all around and all over. Anyone who looks in just one / limited direction might miss that.

I too would hope for the number of abortions to go way down. Not to ban it, and not to take away the choice, but to avoid being in that position to begin with, at least as much as possible.

Where's the room for discussion here? IS there even room for discussion, or has the cut-and-dried phase been reached already?

blackredyellow

Here's another great example...

New Mexico Bill Would Criminalize Abortions After Rape As 'Tampering With Evidence'
Posted: 01/24/2013 10:21 am EST | Updated: 01/25/2013 5:45 pm EST

A Republican lawmaker in New Mexico introduced a bill on Wednesday that would legally require victims of rape to carry their pregnancies to term in order to use the fetus as evidence for a sexual assault trial.

House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for "tampering with evidence."

“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime," the bill says.

Third-degree felonies in New Mexico carry a sentence of up to three years in prison.

Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive nonprofit opposing the bill, called it "blatantly unconstitutional" on Thursday.

“The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” he said. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.“

The bill is unlikely to pass, as Democrats have a majority in both chambers of New Mexico's state legislature.

UPDATE: 12:25 p.m. -- Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.

“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”

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Funny, she tries to make it seem like this will be a charge against the rapist, but if you read the bill, to me, it opens up charges against the women or even the doctor.
http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/13%20Re ... HB0206.pdf

Jeanwah

Ya know, for a party that's so focused on keeping government-controlled anything off the table, they certainly feel the need to keep government involved in the laws against women.

And that's what this is about. It's not about unborn life, it's about controlling the woman's body. It's also about going backwards rather than forward and actually evolving with the times. Boehner is great at keeping his head up his ass.

blackredyellow

Jeanwah wrote:

Ya know, for a party that's so focused on keeping government-controlled anything off the table, they certainly feel the need to keep government involved in the laws against women.

And that's what this is about. It's not about unborn life, it's about controlling the woman's body. It's also about going backwards rather than forward and actually evolving with the times. Boehner is great at keeping his head up his ass.

All Boehner is doing is trying to pander to the conservative base after the fiscal cliff deal.

Jeanwah

Jindal: GOP must stop being 'stupid party'

http://news.yahoo.com/jindal-gop-must-s ... ction.html

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal called on the Republican Party to "stop being the stupid party" on Thursday as GOP leaders promised fundamental changes to help stave off future losses.

In the keynote address at the Republican National Committee's winter meeting, Jindal said the GOP doesn't need to change its values but "might need to change just about everything else we are doing."

"We've got to stop being the stupid party. It's time for a new Republican Party that talks like adults," he said. "We had a number of Republicans damage the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments. I'm here to say we've had enough of that."

Jindal, thought to be a potential 2016 presidential contender, offered little detail in the 25-minute address. He called on conservatives to shift their focus from Capitol Hill number crunching to "the place where conservatism thrives — in the real world beyond the Washington Beltway."

Hours before the speech, Republican leaders promised to release in March a report, dubbed the "Growth and Opportunity Project," outlining recommendations on party rules and messaging designed to appeal to a rapidly changing American electorate. President Barack Obama's November victory was fueled, in part, by overwhelming support from the nation's Hispanic, Asian and African-American communities.

"Losing is not fun. We want to win," said GOP strategist Sally Bradshaw, who is among five people appointed by RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to craft the report.

"I think you're going to see a very renewed, aggressive effort by this party to put on a different face," Bradshaw said. "We are going to go into areas that we do not go into and see folks that we do not see."
Republicans presidential nominee Mitt Romney struggled last fall to win over women and minorities, who overwhelmingly favored President Barack Obama's re-election bid. GOP officials conceded this week that they must change their tone and message, if not their policies, if they hope to expand their appeal in the coming years.

Romney alienated many Hispanic voters by highlighting his support for a fence along the Mexican border and "self-deportation" of illegal immigrants. Down-ticket Republican candidates alienated female voters by backing new abortion laws in a handful of swing states like Virginia and New Hampshire, while Senate candidate Todd Akin of Missouri hurt himself and his party by declaring that women's bodies could prevent pregnancy in cases of "legitimate rape."

GOP strategist Ari Fleischer suggested that his party could learn an important lesson from Democrats on messaging: "Republicans talk policy and Democrats talk people. Republicans can learn a little bit from Democrats on how to make those people connections with our policies."

Asked whether he was considering a presidential bid in 2016, Jindal brushed aside the question. "Any Republican that's thinking about talking about running for president in 2016 needs to get his head examined," he said. "We've got a lot of work to do."

He called on conservatives to stop fighting with Democrats on their terms about the size of government in Washington and focus instead on connecting with voters across the nation.

"Today's conservatism is completely wrapped up in solving the hideous mess that is the federal budget, the burgeoning deficits, the mammoth federal debt, the shortfall in our entitlement programs," he said. "We seem to have an obsession with government bookkeeping. This is a rigged game, and it is the wrong game for us to play."

Jindal's comments come a day after the House passed a bill to permit the government to borrow enough money to avoid a first-time default for at least four months, defusing a looming crisis setting up a springtime debate over taxes, spending and the deficit. The House passed the measure on a bipartisan basis as majority Republicans back away from their previous demand that any increase in the government's borrowing cap be paired with an equivalent level of spending cuts.

The Louisiana governor's blunt remarks follow criticism from another high-profile Republican based outside Washington who publicly blasted GOP leadership on Capitol Hill: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
One of the party's most popular voices, Christie earlier in the month criticized his party's "toxic internal politics" after House Republicans initially declined to approve disaster relief for victims of Superstorm Sandy. He said it was "disgusting to watch" their actions and he faulted the GOP's most powerful elected official, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., told reporters on the sidelines of the meeting Thursday that Republicans also need to develop a sound strategy for confronting the Obama administration, suggesting House Republicans could use hearings to expose waste and promote better ideas.

"A lot of Republicans, frankly, spent the last two years saying, 'Oh, gee, we don't have to do much because after Obama loses we'll work with the new Republican president.' Well, that world ain't there," Gingrich said. "So now they have to make adjustments. They've got to understand that this is a different game."

rollings

CH156378

unsung wrote:

Rand Paul 2016.

Prince Of Dorkness

OK... Abortion is not "murder" and until something can live outside the body and become a person, it's not a person. If you're going to get upset about life growing inside women... then you must also be against antibiotics and using hydrogen peroxide to kill tape worms.

And we all know that this freaking out about human life is just a way to keep women down.

If the anti-abortion crowd were so supportive of newborn babies, they wouldn't expend so much energy trying to cut off health care and nutrition for them once they're born. They wouldn't support attacks on grade schools in third world Muslim countries.


And finally... Give it a rest. The majority of the country does not support passing laws that rape victims must have a plastic camera shoved up their vaginas and to be then forced to look at an ultrasound of their rapist's fetus.

Nor do they think that having a baby "out of wedlock" is the same as rape.

Nor do they believe that if a woman gets pregnant from rape that the slut wanted it or her body would have "shut that whole thing down."



But please continue. It's fun to watch Republicans not just lose the election but poison the ground for the next couple of generations. After what they did to my family... I'm happy to let them drown in their own shit.

mickeyrat

blackredyellow wrote:

Here's another great example...

New Mexico Bill Would Criminalize Abortions After Rape As 'Tampering With Evidence'
Posted: 01/24/2013 10:21 am EST | Updated: 01/25/2013 5:45 pm EST

A Republican lawmaker in New Mexico introduced a bill on Wednesday that would legally require victims of rape to carry their pregnancies to term in order to use the fetus as evidence for a sexual assault trial.

House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for "tampering with evidence."

“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime," the bill says.

Third-degree felonies in New Mexico carry a sentence of up to three years in prison.

Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive nonprofit opposing the bill, called it "blatantly unconstitutional" on Thursday.

“The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” he said. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.“

The bill is unlikely to pass, as Democrats have a majority in both chambers of New Mexico's state legislature.

UPDATE: 12:25 p.m. -- Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.

“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”

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Funny, she tries to make it seem like this will be a charge against the rapist, but if you read the bill, to me, it opens up charges against the women or even the doctor.
http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/13%20Re ... HB0206.pdf

so according to this GOP bill a fetus wouldnt be a person but merely evidence? Subject to evidentiary laws that eventually would be thrown in the trash.

unsung

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

OK... Abortion is not "murder" and until something can live outside the body and become a person, it's not a person.

Is it life?

Prince Of Dorkness

unsung wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

OK... Abortion is not "murder" and until something can live outside the body and become a person, it's not a person.

Is it life?

Yes, and so are anal warts but I'm sure you have no problem burning those off.

USARAY

anotherbashing conservativesthreads how fuckinoriginal quess theliberals have arealneed seems all they do
is
focus on that yeah lots oflifelost in legalmurder isee the analogy and the right to fight for theunborns right to life
never understood
how liberalscan
justify all the death ofinnocents i guess by notlooking at it they got a lot ofblood on theirhands with theirsupport

Bentleyspop

USARAY wrote:

anotherbashing conservativesthreads how fuckinoriginal quess theliberals have arealneed seems all they do
is
focus on that yeah lots oflifelost in legalmurder isee the analogy and the right to fight for theunborns right to life
never understood
how liberalscan
justify all the death ofinnocents i guess by notlooking at it they got a lot ofblood on theirhands with theirsupport

Seriously you need this more than anyone else on here....

USARAY

Bentleyspop wrote:

USARAY wrote:

anotherbashing conservativesthreads how fuckinoriginal quess theliberals have arealneed seems all they do
is
focus on that yeah lots oflifelost in legalmurder isee the analogy and the right to fight for theunborns right to life
never understood
how liberalscan
justify all the death ofinnocents i guess by notlooking at it they got a lot ofblood on theirhands with theirsupport

Seriously you need this more than anyone else on here....

ifyou only knew

gimmesometruth27

is he joking? clinton is more progressive and more of a "liberal" than obama is. if they would not work with obama why would they work with clinton?? if she had won, their playbook would have been exactly the same, to make her a one term president. paul ryan is LYING...

Paul Ryan: Hillary Clinton Would Have 'Fixed This Fiscal Mess'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 61817.html

WASHINGTON -- Former Republican vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.) said Sunday that if Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were president, the nation's fiscal crisis would have been averted.

“Look, if we had a [Hillary] Clinton presidency, if we had Erskine Bowles as chief of staff of the White House or president of the United States, I think we would have fixed this fiscal mess by now," Ryan said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "[But] that’s not the kind of presidency we’re dealing with right now.” Bowles was chief of staff to former President Bill Clinton, and currently co-chairs the Campaign to Fix The Debt, a bipartisan deficit reduction effort.

The praise was especially noteworthy because speculation abounds in Washington over both Ryan and Clinton's presidential prospects in 2016, although neither has responded to questions about their future plans.

Considered a major star in the GOP, Ryan was noncommittal about plans to run for president in 2016. Asked what he thinks about running, he said, “I don’t.”

“I think it’s just premature," he added, "I’ve got a job to do. I represent Wisconsin, I’m chairman of the budget committee at the time we have a fiscal crisis.” In the couched translation of Washington-speak, Ryan's response leaves the door wide open for him to run.

In one of a number of jabs at President Obama during his first live interview since losing the November election, Ryan said, "I don't think that the president thinks we actually have a fiscal crisis." He even pulled out a chart to show host David Gregory the dangers of runaway government spending.

Ryan said he believes sequestration, a series of steep cuts to federal spending, "will happen," and blamed congressional Democrats for opposing his efforts and those of other House Republicans to cut other spending instead. Ryan said that if he and GOP running mate Mitt Romney had won the election, the so-called "fiscal cliiff" battle wouldn't have resulted in a failure to pass a budget "because we would have gone and worked with Democrats and Republicans in Congress."

The chairman of the House Budget Committee weighed in on what the Republican party should learn from electoral defeats for the White House and a handful of key Senate races. "Obviously, we have to expand our appeal," he said. "We have to expand our appeal to more people and show how we'll take the country's founding principles and apply them to the problem of the day, solutions to fix our problems.

"We have to show our ideas are better at fighting poverty, better at solving health care, how our ideas are better at solving problems that people experience in their daily lives," he continued. "And that's a challenge we have to rise to, and I think we're up for it."

To that end, Ryan was quick to reject the notion that Republicans in the House were willing to shut down the government, which some of the most conservative members of the chamber had suggested could be a good thing at the height of the budget debates in December.

"We're not interested in shutting the government down," he said. "What happens on March 1 is spending goes down automatically. March 27 is … the moment you're talking about, the continuing resolution expires. We are more than happy to keep spending at those levels going on into the future while we debate how to balance the budget, grow the economy, create economic opportunity. That's the kind of debate the country deserves."

gimmesometruth27

i watched real time friday night and was appalled by this guy saying obama calling right wing republicans "right wing" is name calling and in an insult... :fp:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 58111.html

Bill Maher & Howard Dean Defend Obama Inauguration From GOP Panelists

On Friday night, Bill Maher hosted his first show of President Obama's second term. But based on the panel discussion which included the liberal former Vermont governor Howard Dean as well as conservatives GOPAC president David Avella and Republican pollster Kristen Soltis, one might think the election was still raging on.

Avella blasted Obama's inauguration speech. After pointing out that Obama made a direct dig at House Republicans by decrying "name-calling" despite doing his own name-calling just a week later, Avella was questioned by Maher exactly what name-calling Obama participated in.

"Well, he talked about right-wing Republicans..." Avella said.

"Really? That's a name-call? 'Right-wing' is a name-call?" Maher asked, to Avella's affirmation. "I got so many worse than that."

Maher asked for polite alternatives to calling someone "right-wing," to which Avella replied, "He could have said 'conservatives,' he could have said 'my friends on the other side of the aisle.'"

Soltis agreed that Obama's speech was too partisan.

"The theme of this speech was 'you didn't build that,' but this time it's not a gaffe. It was the speech," she said.

Dean took issue. "I thought the speech was something Americans ought to embrace, which was equal rights for all Americans," he said, to much audience applause.

"I thought it was American," he continued. "And it's about time the President of the United States stood up to all this crazy crap on the right wing."

Watch the clip from Friday's "Real Time" above, in which the panel also has a spirited discussion over Hillary Clinton's testimony about the Benghazi tragedy.


i wish i could get offended when people call me "left wing" or liberal, or socialist, etc....because that has not been socially acceptable at all since 2008 :roll:

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i watched real time friday night and was appalled by this guy saying obama calling right wing republicans "right wing" is name calling and in an insult... :fp:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 58111.html

Bill Maher & Howard Dean Defend Obama Inauguration From GOP Panelists

On Friday night, Bill Maher hosted his first show of President Obama's second term. But based on the panel discussion which included the liberal former Vermont governor Howard Dean as well as conservatives GOPAC president David Avella and Republican pollster Kristen Soltis, one might think the election was still raging on.

Avella blasted Obama's inauguration speech. After pointing out that Obama made a direct dig at House Republicans by decrying "name-calling" despite doing his own name-calling just a week later, Avella was questioned by Maher exactly what name-calling Obama participated in.

"Well, he talked about right-wing Republicans..." Avella said.

"Really? That's a name-call? 'Right-wing' is a name-call?" Maher asked, to Avella's affirmation. "I got so many worse than that."

Maher asked for polite alternatives to calling someone "right-wing," to which Avella replied, "He could have said 'conservatives,' he could have said 'my friends on the other side of the aisle.'"

Soltis agreed that Obama's speech was too partisan.

"The theme of this speech was 'you didn't build that,' but this time it's not a gaffe. It was the speech," she said.

Dean took issue. "I thought the speech was something Americans ought to embrace, which was equal rights for all Americans," he said, to much audience applause.

"I thought it was American," he continued. "And it's about time the President of the United States stood up to all this crazy crap on the right wing."

Watch the clip from Friday's "Real Time" above, in which the panel also has a spirited discussion over Hillary Clinton's testimony about the Benghazi tragedy.


i wish i could get offended when people call me "left wing" or liberal, or socialist, etc....because that has not been socially acceptable at all since 2008 :roll:

I totally agree, gimme. This goes back even further. I can't find the link, but clear back in the 90's SNL did a skit about "The Liberal" around the time the right began it's attempt to re-start the McCarthy era. This long running smear campaign has gotten old and tired while at the same time the right continues to sabotage itself with over-the-top wild accusations (for example, the lame attempts to discredit climate scientists.)

aerial

Both Parties are out of touch.....Neither are looking out for the American people
I don't believe they are trying to keep women down...they are trying to keep the American People down (under control)
Check out what a Boom Town Washington has become.....
and the Nepotism that is going on (has been going on)
It's a private "clique".......
Look at the legislation that is passed.....most will benefit few.....
Our representatives (left and right) are business people and Business is booming in Washington....
When someone tries to come to Washington to change the norm they get ridiculed because they don't have media backing.......or should I say they don't own any media outlets.....
We don't need business men (though business knowledge is a plus) running this country, we need Brave men and women with a dedication to Country. The American people need to stop the Me attitudes and look out for each other and this country. :idea:

Abortion.....if it is not a life why get rid of it?

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

Both Parties are out of touch.....

if that is the case, why is it that one party, despite recent drubbings at the polls, continue to push the same issues forward? repealing obamacare, outlawing abortion, banning gay marriage, tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, corporate personhood, etc... these are all cornerstones of the republican party platform, which, in case they missed it, was patently rejected by american voters just 2.5 months ago. one would think that they would become more center right than hard right, but as a whole, they are stubborn and ignorant.

there is one party pushing for gay rights, one party pushing for equality, one party pushing for women's rights, one party pushing for affordable health care for all, one party trying to raise revenue, cut spending and deficit reduction, and then there is one party who opposes all of that. i think the choice is pretty easy.

aerial, if you think the democrats in congress are so out of step and out of touch with the american voter, be my guest and start your own thread and post your articles containing evidence of your position in that thread.

the gop is backwards, and it wants to take out country backwards, and this thread serves as evidence to show that.