NY passes new gun law

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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    It's so easy to say "...What else is NY doing?" What is YOUR state doing??? What is Connecticut doing?
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    DS1119 wrote:
    Anyone who thinks this makes any difference....well.... :lol::lol:

    You're right, do nothing and see how that goes. This week is another fine example of what happens when a certain % of the population refuses to open their eyes.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    mca47 wrote:
    I sleep on a pile of ammo atop a bed made of shot guns!


    You never fn know when the king of England will be knocking on your door!

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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Mark my words. Quote my post. Gun crime at this time in NY state will be the exact same next year as it is this year. I'm actually embarrassed as a NYS resident that trash like this can get passed and people applaud it. Way to posture governor cuomo in your "big stand". This was nothing more than the democratic run government of NY helping cuomo build his resume for a presidential run. He can now say he was the first governor to make a stance against gun control when if fact he did nothing. :lol: Paper legislation that does zippo to actually help with the issue. :fp:
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    know1 wrote:
    A couple of thoughts.

    I'd rather see the states tackle this than the Federal Government.

    In theory I agree, but that would basically cut it's effectiveness. I mean, I live in NY, if my neighbor can just drive a half hour to Vermont and buy a small arsenal and bring it home, than what effect does this law really have, as far as reducing these types of weapons in NY?
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  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    DS1119 wrote:
    Mark my words. Quote my post. Gun crime at this time in NY state will be the exact same next year as it is this year. I'm actually embarrassed as a NYS resident that trash like this can get passed and people applaud it. Way to posture governor cuomo in your "big stand". This was nothing more than the democratic run government of NY helping cuomo build his resume for a presidential run. He can now say he was the first governor to make a stance against gun control when if fact he did nothing. :lol: Paper legislation that does zippo to actually help with the issue. :fp:

    Um no, I don't think I will, if previous stated beliefs and opinions are anything to go by.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    DS1119 wrote:
    Mark my words. Quote my post. Gun crime at this time in NY state will be the exact same next year as it is this year. I'm actually embarrassed as a NYS resident that trash like this can get passed and people applaud it. Way to posture governor cuomo in your "big stand". This was nothing more than the democratic run government of NY helping cuomo build his resume for a presidential run. He can now say he was the first governor to make a stance against gun control when if fact he did nothing. :lol: Paper legislation that does zippo to actually help with the issue. :fp:

    Next year, you might be right... but what about the year after that and 5 years down the road? Unless we go door to door and remove guns (never going to happen), it's going to be a slow impact. But if it gets harder and harder every year to find these types of guns and magazines, maybe the next mass shooter goes in with a shotgun or a revolver and only kills 5 people instead of 25.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    Didn't NYC just have an all time low in homocides and don't they also have pretty strict gun laws? Sure, that's not everything but to say nothing will or has changed is kind of bullshit because they city just saw it's best year in terms of murders.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    DS1119 wrote:
    Mark my words. Quote my post. Gun crime at this time in NY state will be the exact same next year as it is this year. I'm actually embarrassed as a NYS resident that trash like this can get passed and people applaud it. Way to posture governor cuomo in your "big stand". This was nothing more than the democratic run government of NY helping cuomo build his resume for a presidential run. He can now say he was the first governor to make a stance against gun control when if fact he did nothing. :lol: Paper legislation that does zippo to actually help with the issue. :fp:

    I'd assume the gun crime in NY will be the same too. Maybe the point of this type of thing is to save one or two lives in a mass shooting. And there's probably no way to tell if new regulations were the reason for less people dying or not in a single shooting incident. If the guy that shot up the Arizona congresswoman gathering had magazines with fewer rounds, lives couldve been saved.

    The thing is, I assume you just have no optimism over the idea that a 7 round magazine might result in less death than a 30 round magazine. This is one of those things that we dont know if it will work, but even if there is another tragedy and 10 people are shot dead, if it is done by a perpetrator with a handgun who owns two clips that hold 7 rounds, we might realize that he could've killed 20 people with a single 30 round clip. But we may never know. To me, magazine limits are worth a try, and it hardly puts gun owners at an inconvenience.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    blackredyellow wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Mark my words. Quote my post. Gun crime at this time in NY state will be the exact same next year as it is this year. I'm actually embarrassed as a NYS resident that trash like this can get passed and people applaud it. Way to posture governor cuomo in your "big stand". This was nothing more than the democratic run government of NY helping cuomo build his resume for a presidential run. He can now say he was the first governor to make a stance against gun control when if fact he did nothing. :lol: Paper legislation that does zippo to actually help with the issue. :fp:

    Next year, you might be right... but what about the year after that and 5 years down the road? Unless we go door to door and remove guns (never going to happen), it's going to be a slow impact. But if it gets harder and harder every year to find these types of guns and magazines, maybe the next mass shooter goes in with a shotgun or a revolver and only kills 5 people instead of 25.

    Yup. No band-aid solution for a problem this profound. It's going to take some time before the effects are realized, but you have put it in such a way that even the resistant should be able to understand.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    DS1119 wrote:
    Mark my words. Quote my post. Gun crime at this time in NY state will be the exact same next year as it is this year. I'm actually embarrassed as a NYS resident that trash like this can get passed and people applaud it. Way to posture governor cuomo in your "big stand". This was nothing more than the democratic run government of NY helping cuomo build his resume for a presidential run. He can now say he was the first governor to make a stance against gun control when if fact he did nothing. :lol: Paper legislation that does zippo to actually help with the issue. :fp:

    You are of course hoping you are wrong, right?

    Because we all want to see gun related crime go down, right?

    Because that is far more important than the politics, right?
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/28/justice/n ... index.html

    Don't let statistics get in your way though
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    DS1119 wrote:
    Mark my words. Quote my post. Gun crime at this time in NY state will be the exact same next year as it is this year. I'm actually embarrassed as a NYS resident that trash like this can get passed and people applaud it. Way to posture governor cuomo in your "big stand". This was nothing more than the democratic run government of NY helping cuomo build his resume for a presidential run. He can now say he was the first governor to make a stance against gun control when if fact he did nothing. :lol: Paper legislation that does zippo to actually help with the issue. :fp:

    Aww. Upset that Republicans don't run the NY state legislature aren't you? :(
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    This "law" to put it frank does nothing. Zippo.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    DS1119 wrote:
    This "law" to put it frank does nothing. Zippo.

    Are you trolling or do you have anything to back that up?


    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/28/justice/n ... index.html
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    This "law" to put it frank does nothing. Zippo.

    Are you trolling or do you have anything to back that up?


    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/28/justice/n ... index.html


    It's common sense but if it makes people feel better, enjoy.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    This "law" to put it frank does nothing. Zippo.

    Are you trolling or do you have anything to back that up?


    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/28/justice/n ... index.html


    It's common sense but if it makes people feel better, enjoy.

    More fascinating insight from you. Thanks a lot. You bring so much to the table.

    How about going back to talk about your breakfast?
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    More fascinating insight from you. Thanks a lot. You bring so much to the table.

    How about going back to talk about your breakfast?


    You strike me as someone who always feels they are the smartest person in the room. Since you think this law is the greatest thing since sliced bread please explain to me exactly how this law will do anything? Anyone, please chime in an educate me. Tell me exactly how this will reduce illegal gun violence in NYS.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    There are plenty of points that could lead to a good conversation (i.e. Chicago), but no...."common sense"
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    DS1119 wrote:
    This "law" to put it frank does nothing. Zippo.

    From my point of view, not This Law, but The Law to put it frank does nothing. Zippo.

    Just because you wrote something down of piece of paper doesn't control a human being's actions. At the end of the day we're all a bunch of animals, always have been, always will be.

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