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Ernie Vedder

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Ernie Vedder

Spring training starts today.

Ernie Vedder

Opening Day 2013. Dodgers beating the SF Giants! 2-0

norm

:wave:

norm

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Greike has a broken colorbone...Quentin's a little bitch and shouldn't play until greinke does...what a suckass

Indifference71

norm wrote:

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Greike has a broken colorbone...Quentin's a little bitch and shouldn't play until greinke does...what a suckass

Well that will never happen. Quentin and Greinke have a history dating back to their days in the AL Central with the Royals and White Sox. Also, Greinke said something to Quentin when he was staring him down and then Quentin charged. Either way, I love a good baseball brawl!

LloydXmas

Why the hell did Greinke lower his shoulder

JK_Livin

It looks like he hit him on purpose. Why would you throw at a guy in a 2-1 game though? Was he hit earlier in the game? Greinke is too small to be picking fights.

Indifference71

JK_Livin wrote:

It looks like he hit him on purpose. Why would you throw at a guy in a 2-1 game though? Was he hit earlier in the game? Greinke is too small to be picking fights.

Didn't hit him earlier in the game, but he has hit him a few times in the past. Also, not a bright move to lower your shoulder when Quentin is charging at you....he's a big dude.

Cliffy6745

Quentin is a turd. What a jackass.

JK_Livin

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Greike has a broken colorbone...Quentin's a little bitch and shouldn't play until greinke does...what a suckass

So if Quentin got hurt in the fight, should Greinke not be able to play until Quentin is healthy?

Cliffy6745

JK_Livin wrote:

norm wrote:

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Greike has a broken colorbone...Quentin's a little bitch and shouldn't play until greinke does...what a suckass

So if Quentin got hurt in the fight, should Greinke not be able to play until Quentin is healthy?

Why on earth would Greinke throw at him intentionally in that situation?

JK_Livin

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Why on earth would Greinke throw at him intentionally in that situation?

Look at Greinke, his head is up and looking at Quentin the entire time. If the pitch slipped then he would show some sign of disgust but he never takes his eyes off him and then says something. I agree it would be stupid for Greinke to do that in that situation but people do stupid things.

Bronx Bombers

JK_Livin wrote:

So if Quentin got hurt in the fight, should Greinke not be able to play until Quentin is healthy?

Yeah that's almost like saying if Grienke broke Quentin's hand with a pitch and he missed the rest of the season than Greinke should be forced to miss the rest of the season as well. This is Greinkes fault, he was yapping at him afterwards and no idea why he dropped his shoulder but look for another brawl next week. :corn:

norm

JK_Livin wrote:

So if Quentin got hurt in the fight, should Greinke not be able to play until Quentin is healthy?

oh shut the fuck up :roll:

JK_Livin

norm wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

So if Quentin got hurt in the fight, should Greinke not be able to play until Quentin is healthy?

oh shut the fuck up :roll:

I guess your a Dodgers fan? It's not eye for an eye. They're all big boys. Maybe this should be blamed on the catcher for not getting in between immediately.

norm

Quentin deserves stiff penalty for triggering Dodgers-Padres brawl
April 12, 2013 10:23 am ET


Padres star Carlos Quentin is right about there being a history here, which was one of his claims after breaking Dodgers star Zack Greinke's left collarbone in a needless, foolish baseball brawl he precipitated. But the reality is that it's Quentin's history that's instructive, and not necessarily the brief one between him and Greinke.

Quentin's history suggests he's hit by pitches a lot, more than anyone in the National League the last two years. That has more to do with his style than any particular pitcher's ire or intention. It's no coincidence he has led the league in being hit by pitches the last two years, and he did it both times without playing a full season.

Quentin has been hit more than 100 times by pitches in his history. He should understand that's not because he's A) unlucky, or disliked. That's because he stands on the plate and doesn't give ground. It's part of his considerable game.

Quentin's history suggests he understands it sometimes doesn't take a lot to knock a man out of action. He himself has missed significant time in a vast majority of seasons. It's what has kept him from reaching his potential.

Quentin, a former all-Califnornia outside linebacker, has suffered plenty of injuries without anyone 50 pounds his better tackling him unpadded on a baseball field. So he should know charging Greinke, a wisp of a man, comes with a decent probability of injury for the high-priced pitcher.

Quentin's history suggests, too, that he while he may never have charged a mound before, as he fairly pointed out, he isn't exactly temper free. One year he was on the way to a probable MVP before knocking himself out of action by slamming and breaking his right hand, virtually killing his MVP hope with a broken wrist, not to mention costing his White Sox dearly (he was unable to play in the playoffs).

Quentin is undoubtedly a very smart man, so he should have understood the situation a little better. And that is the main point. In the heat of a game sometimes it's hard to think too much. But he should know that in a 2-1 contest, with a 3-and-2 count, Greinke very likely isn't purposely trying to hit Quentin with a pitch.

Dodgers star Matt Kemp, who doesn't exactly get genius points for trying to confront Quentin in the hallway later and calling him a “bitch,'' (Kemp's lucky there weren't two injured Dodgers), is right for wondering aloud how a Stanford man like Quentin didn't understand that situation. I wonder the same. Dodgers manager Don Mattingly flat said it was “stupid'' to think the beaning was intentional.

Quentin, I think, wasn't thinking.

He got caught up in some history he and Greinke apparently have. This was the third time Greinke hit Quentin. Quentin also has three home runs against Greinke. That may constitute a history. But that doesn't add up to an intentional beaning -- not in a 2-1 game with a 3-2 count. A Stanford man should grasp that math.

Greinke, for his part, said afterward he has never hit Quentin on purpose but that Quentin always seems to think it's on purpose. Quentin alluded to the “documented'' history he has with Greinke, and urged writers to “look it up.''

Quentin told writers to “do your homework,'' not realizing most writers aren't Stanford men, like him.

Quentin also explained that he charged the mound after Greinke said something, but he wouldn't say what it was. He gave writers more homework on that. Which doesn't help.

If Quentin wanted to mound a defense, it can't be that Greinke said “something.'' That doesn't work in a court of law, and it shouldn't work here. And Quentin can't depend on writers interrogating Greinke without subpoena power and/or a klieg light.

“It could have been avoided,'' Quentin concluded afterward. “It's not on my side.''

I'd agree with half that. It could have been avoided.

Quentin was caught up in the history he with Greinke and probably also his hatred for Greinke. But if he had stopped to think about his own history of being hit and the situation, he'd have to think it was probably an accidental beaning.

He can't have it both ways. He can't have being hit by a pitch be part of his game (115 HBPs), then be upset at the pitcher when it happens.

Quentin and Greinke are both guilty of excessive macho. “It's a man's game,'' Quentin said afterward.

Greinke was smart to keep his $147 million pitching arm out of the fray, but he should have stepped to the side. He's on a new team and perhaps he wanted to show how tough he is, so it's understandable why he didn't pull the Guillermo head-for-the-hills play (Mota is famous for running away from Mike Piazza, like Quentin another exceptionally strong man) but he didn't need to lean in to Quentin, either, not when he's a skinny pitcher and Quentin is a former football player and a bull in a rage.

Quentin can't get the usual four-to-eight game penalty for charging the mound. It needs to be more, and significantly more.

The situation should be considered. So should the circumstance.

When Quentin, 240 pounds, runs directly at Greinke, he also has to know the chances for injury are very real. Greinke, pencil thin and at least that sharp, thought enough to lower his left shoulder (not his right pitching shoulder) into Quentin. But Greinke still incurred a broken collarbone, which is expected to knock him out of action for six weeks.

Mattingly suggested Quentin miss equal time. “He should not play a game before Greinke plays a game,'' Matingly said Thursday night after the Dodgers' 3-2 win over the Padres.

I'm not sure that's the case. As Greinke's pitch was not intentional, Quentin wasn't trying to break Greinke's collarbone. But players who charge the mound have to know there's a decent probability of injury, and there needs to be more deterrent than a penalty of four-to-eight games. I'd suggest at least 15 games in this case.

Baseball is determined to provide meaningful deterrents in drug cases, and in many ways that's a much more serious situation sice it goes to the credibility of the game. But Baseball should do something to try to deter needless, dumb on-field fights, as well.

Baseball brawls are rare, and usually don't do much damage. But this is a real loss for the Dodgers and a blow to their pennant hopes in what shapes up as a real battle with at least their rival San Francisco Giants, the World Champions.

The Dodgers didn't deserve this, no matter what Greinke may have said. Or Quentin may have thought.

Fifteen games is a about right for Quentin. That would give the Stanford man something to think about next time, anyway.
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Bronx Bombers

Yeah lets give him 15 games because Greinke is a pansie and couldn't defend himself

Cliffy6745

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Yeah lets give him 15 games because Greinke is a pansie and couldn't defend himself

Dude's got 40 pounds on him. What do you want him to do? Not really a fair fight.

JK_Livin

If this wasn't the Dodgers and they didn't spend a kajillion dollars on the team and Greinke, would this be getting as much press? I don't think so.

Cliffy6745

JK_Livin wrote:

If this wasn't the Dodgers and they didn't spend a kajillion dollars on the team and Greinke, would this be getting as much press? I don't think so.

Depends on who the players were. If any front line starter broke his collar bone after a bullshit mound charging, clearly yes.

I just wish Harper charged the mound and beat the piss out of Hamels when he plunked him.

Bronx Bombers

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Yeah lets give him 15 games because Greinke is a pansie and couldn't defend himself

Dude's got 40 pounds on him. What do you want him to do? Not really a fair fight.

Greinke should've kept his mouth shut instead of yapping at him when he was headed to first.

Cliffy6745

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Yeah lets give him 15 games because Greinke is a pansie and couldn't defend himself

Dude's got 40 pounds on him. What do you want him to do? Not really a fair fight.

Greinke should've kept his mouth shut instead of yapping at him when he was headed to first.

Probably but no one knows what he said.

pjhawks

JK_Livin wrote:

If this wasn't the Dodgers and they didn't spend a kajillion dollars on the team and Greinke, would this be getting as much press? I don't think so.

agree, if it was joe shmoe in a KC vs. Hou. game no one would care.

Quentin should get a little longer suspension than normal (maybe 9 games) but people talking about the 2-3 months that Greinke is going to be out is absurd to me. and you don't want to set a precedent of a player getting supsended for as long as another player is out.

Bronx Bombers

I couldn't care less about either team but hopefully this will lead to a all out brawl next week. :corn:

JK_Livin

Cliffy6745 wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

If this wasn't the Dodgers and they didn't spend a kajillion dollars on the team and Greinke, would this be getting as much press? I don't think so.

Depends on who the players were. If any front line starter broke his collar bone after a bullshit mound charging, clearly yes.

I just wish Harper charged the mound and beat the piss out of Hamels when he plunked him.

Hamels would've suplexed Harper.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

If this wasn't the Dodgers and they didn't spend a kajillion dollars on the team and Greinke, would this be getting as much press? I don't think so.

agree, if it was joe shmoe in a KC vs. Hou. game no one would care.

I am pretty certain it would be getting a bit of press if it were James Shields. It's news if any expected contender loses a big pitcher in a fight.

Shit, it would all over the place if Lee broke his collarbone in a fight and the Phillies aren't even a contender

Cliffy6745

JK_Livin wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

If this wasn't the Dodgers and they didn't spend a kajillion dollars on the team and Greinke, would this be getting as much press? I don't think so.

Depends on who the players were. If any front line starter broke his collar bone after a bullshit mound charging, clearly yes.

I just wish Harper charged the mound and beat the piss out of Hamels when he plunked him.

Hamels would've suplexed Harper.

This guy?

DewieCox

Looked intentional to me and it doesn't help matters that he trash talked afterwards.

The catcher could've and should've stopped it. What the hell was he doing?

I dunno what the standard is for charging that mound, but the suspension shouldn't be much more than that just b/c Greinke picked a bad fight.

Donnie Baseball sounds like a douche for even mentioning a game for game suspension.

Cliffy6745

DewieCox wrote:

Looked intentional to me and it doesn't help matters that he trash talked afterwards.

The catcher could've and should've stopped it. What the hell was he doing?

I dunno what the standard is for charging that mound, but the suspension shouldn't be much more than that just b/c Greinke picked a bad fight.

Donnie Baseball sounds like a douche for even mentioning a game for game suspension.

Perhaps the catcher didn't get involved because it was a mistake and nothing was going to come of it.

No one knows what Greinke said.

perfectlefts14

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Yeah lets give him 15 games because Greinke is a pansie and couldn't defend himself

Dude's got 40 pounds on him. What do you want him to do? Not really a fair fight.

Fair fight