Piers Morgan and Ben Shapiro

Aaron 23

Another lively debate on gun control:

http://youtu.be/xyMSM__wvGc

Thoughts?

blueandwhite

I don't like Piers Morgan in any way, shape or form but I found this discussion somewhat interesting. Unlike Alex Jones who behaved like a raving maniac when he was on with Morgan, Shapiro spoke well and presented his position far better than most. While I still feel that semi-automatic weapons should be banned, Shapiro was a strong spokesperson for gun advocates rather than coming across as a lunatic. I particularly liked when Shapiro asked Morgan not to compare him (Shapiro) with Alex Jones.

I don't think that Morgan or Jones covered any new ground here, but the two positions were well articulated. The only thing I still don't understand on this debate is how the pro-assault rifle crowd (Shapiro included) can say with a straight face that as semiautomatic rifle is sufficient firepower to combat government tyranny. If that remains the true reason for the 2nd amendment, it stands to reason that a citizen of the United States should have the right to legally purchase any weaponry available to the US military including fully automatic weapons, missiles, tanks, drones and nuclear weaponry. If big brother wants to take over, your AR-15s aren't going to cut it.

mickeyrat

blueandwhite wrote:

I don't like Piers Morgan in any way, shape or form but I found this discussion somewhat interesting. Unlike Alex Jones who behaved like a raving maniac when he was on with Morgan, Shapiro spoke well and presented his position far better than most. While I still feel that semi-automatic weapons should be banned, Shapiro was a strong spokesperson for gun advocates rather than coming across as a lunatic. I particularly liked when Shapiro asked Morgan not to compare him (Shapiro) with Alex Jones.

I don't think that Morgan or Jones covered any new ground here, but the two positions were well articulated. The only thing I still don't understand on this debate is how the pro-assault rifle crowd (Shapiro included) can say with a straight face that as semiautomatic rifle is sufficient firepower to combat government tyranny. If that remains the true reason for the 2nd amendment, it stands to reason that a citizen of the United States should have the right to legally purchase any weaponry available to the US military including fully automatic weapons, missiles, tanks, drones and nuclear weaponry. If big brother wants to take over, your AR-15s aren't going to cut it.

BINGO!!!!!!!! Provides nothing more than a false sense of security. At least in regards to repeling the
gov.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mickeyrat wrote:

The only thing I still don't understand on this debate is how the pro-assault rifle crowd (Shapiro included) can say with a straight face that as semiautomatic rifle is sufficient firepower to combat government tyranny. If that remains the true reason for the 2nd amendment, it stands to reason that a citizen of the United States should have the right to legally purchase any weaponry available to the US military including fully automatic weapons, missiles, tanks, drones and nuclear weaponry. If big brother wants to take over, your AR-15s aren't going to cut it.

BINGO!!!!!!!! Provides nothing more than a false sense of security. At least in regards to repeling the
gov.[/quote]

But let's be honest here: the pro gun crowd does not think the government is out to get them nor do they think the AR15 would serve them in that event. If they actually believed that... wow! Compared to the mountain of support to the contrary, there are no reasons that make one even pause for consideration when one suggests assault rifles are appropriate for household use. The government turning to the dark side reason is just a fancy one that sounds quite a bit better than, "What the hell, man? You're telling me that now I gotta go shoot beer cans with my hunting rifle? No way! Not gonna do it."

Aaron 23

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

The only thing I still don't understand on this debate is how the pro-assault rifle crowd (Shapiro included) can say with a straight face that as semiautomatic rifle is sufficient firepower to combat government tyranny. If that remains the true reason for the 2nd amendment, it stands to reason that a citizen of the United States should have the right to legally purchase any weaponry available to the US military including fully automatic weapons, missiles, tanks, drones and nuclear weaponry. If big brother wants to take over, your AR-15s aren't going to cut it.

BINGO!!!!!!!! Provides nothing more than a false sense of security. At least in regards to repeling the
gov.

But let's be honest here: the pro gun crowd does not think the government is out to get them nor do they think the AR15 would serve them in that event. If they actually believed that... wow! Compared to the mountain of support to the contrary, there are no reasons that make one even pause for consideration when one suggests assault rifles are appropriate for household use. The government turning to the dark side reason is just a fancy one that sounds quite a bit better than, "What the hell, man? You're telling me that now I gotta go shoot beer cans with my hunting rifle? No way! Not gonna do it."

Because people making bombs and taking shots at our military in Iraq didn't cause any trouble for our military. :fp:

I personally believe it is more a deterrent than anything.

whgarrett

I thought that Mr. Shapiro made a wonderful point. Why are most people focused on theses so called assault rifles? Do the 98% or more deaths that come from other guns not count? Is it only when mass killings happen people care?

When people use the argument that these rifles would have no effect on the might of the U.S. army they are just not thinking. If the U.S. government used this type of weaponry on its citizens then I think that the argument has just been won.

Also, it's funny how many on this board domestic and foreign always put the actions of the United States down. They often say that it is the government and it's policies that they dislike not the people. I agree. I think that is precisely the reason for owning this type of weapon.

Gun advocates understand that if they give an inch then their opponent will take a yard. These type of mass killings will continue to happen not because of guns, but because of our obsession with these type of mass killings. Guns have been around a long time. Semi automatics have been around for a while as well. Why all of a sudden all of the mass killings.

I unfortunately had to sell my "assault" weapon the other day because I needed the money. $750.00

Oh, and F&^*% that asshole Piers Morgan.

Aaron 23

I figured this would go largely ignored from people here when compared to the Alex Jones interview. So predictable.

fear4freedom

exactly! Crickets around here now huh? LOL The liberal media will lose this battle and walk home with their tales between their legs!

I guess one black man shot in Chicago, or %95 of all murders dont matter! Its only the mass murders that matter! LOL

So dont they understand that if the American public was disarmed that the black market, mexican drug cartels and the russian mob, would be greatly empowered to run a gun operation through our southern border?

Its common sense to spend our time on the real problems....such as movies, video games, mental illness and drugs! Thats a good start! HUH?

DS1119

fear4freedom wrote:

exactly! Crickets around here now huh? LOL The liberal media will lose this battle and walk home with their tales between their legs!

I guess one black man shot in Chicago, or %95 of all murders dont matter! Its only the mass murders that matter! LOL

So dont they understand that if the American public was disarmed that the black market, mexican drug cartels and the russian mob, would be greatly empowered to run a gun operation through our southern border?

Its common sense to spend our time on the real problems....such as movies, video games, mental illness and drugs! Thats a good start! HUH?

Don't even bring up the Southern border to me. :x People standing on the Constitution because they feel it's their right to not show their driver's license at a road block but they expect the rest of the citizen's to lay down their arms. Such hypocrisy.

fear4freedom

DS1119 wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

exactly! Crickets around here now huh? LOL The liberal media will lose this battle and walk home with their tales between their legs!

I guess one black man shot in Chicago, or %95 of all murders dont matter! Its only the mass murders that matter! LOL

So dont they understand that if the American public was disarmed that the black market, mexican drug cartels and the russian mob, would be greatly empowered to run a gun operation through our southern border?

Its common sense to spend our time on the real problems....such as movies, video games, mental illness and drugs! Thats a good start! HUH?

Don't even bring up the Southern border to me. :x People standing on the Constitution because they feel it's their right to not show their driver's license at a road block but they expect the rest of the citizen's to lay down their arms. Such hypocrisy.

what the heck are you talking about? staye on point bud. This conversation and comment is about the result if guns were taken away! Stay on point! Dont veer off track there!

DS1119

fear4freedom wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

exactly! Crickets around here now huh? LOL The liberal media will lose this battle and walk home with their tales between their legs!

I guess one black man shot in Chicago, or %95 of all murders dont matter! Its only the mass murders that matter! LOL

So dont they understand that if the American public was disarmed that the black market, mexican drug cartels and the russian mob, would be greatly empowered to run a gun operation through our southern border?

Its common sense to spend our time on the real problems....such as movies, video games, mental illness and drugs! Thats a good start! HUH?

Don't even bring up the Southern border to me. :x People standing on the Constitution because they feel it's their right to not show their driver's license at a road block but they expect the rest of the citizen's to lay down their arms. Such hypocrisy.

what the heck are you talking about? staye on point bud. This conversation and comment is about the result if guns were taken away! Stay on point! Dont veer off track there!

What I'm referencing is the thread that circulated here about a month back about security check points along the borders and sobriety checkpoints. Many of the same people in that thread that were against these things cited their Constitutional Rights. Yet, they are so willing for others to give up their rights when others and not themselves are not affected.

I guess what I'm getting at is if we can't seal up the borders of the country...how would limiting the legal sale and possession of guns actually solve the gun problem. It would make it worse actually.

Aaron 23

A civil debate on guns with a rational pro-gun POV and AMT ignores it while continually bumping Alex Jones' drivel.

:crickets:

JimmyV

Aaron 23 wrote:

A civil debate on guns with a rational pro-gun POV and AMT ignores it while continually bumping Alex Jones' drivel.

:crickets:

You are forgetting that asking people to watch two Piers Morgan interviews in such a short period of time is asking a lot.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Aaron 23 wrote:

I figured this would go largely ignored from people here when compared to the Alex Jones interview. So predictable.

People are growing weary of trying to dent your indoctrinated beliefs that assault rifles need to be in your households. You can't blame anyone can you?

I mean some very poignant questions have been asked throughout this multi-thread discussion for the gun lobbyist group. They have consistently ignored them. Why do you think you deserve another effort here?

fife

fear4freedom wrote:

exactly! Crickets around here now huh? LOL The liberal media will lose this battle and walk home with their tales between their legs!

I guess one black man shot in Chicago, or %95 of all murders dont matter! Its only the mass murders that matter! LOL

So dont they understand that if the American public was disarmed that the black market, mexican drug cartels and the russian mob, would be greatly empowered to run a gun operation through our southern border?

Its common sense to spend our time on the real problems....such as movies, video games, mental illness and drugs! Thats a good start! HUH?

again no where does anyone want to completely disarm people.

the reason some people are not really posting here is because its always the same thing. pro-gun people believe that Obama is trying to take all their guns away (which is false) and the anti-gun people keep asking why you need certain weapons.

its getting boring and there is alot of treads about this issue.