Stone's got it right

Jeanwah

From PJ's Activism FB page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pearl-Ja ... ts&fref=ts

Stone Gossard urges you to Stand Up and Rally for Sane Gun Laws in Washington State in memory of the Sandy Hook victims on 1.13.13 at 1:30 pm from Westlake Park to Seattle Center. Learn more about how you can get involved: http://bit.ly/StandUpWA

dimitrispearljam

cool!

Flutter Girl

It makes no sense. I'm not a gun enthusiast, I don't even own one..I just see a total lack of logic being used here..Firstly, they have to define what a "semi-automatic assault weapon" is. Generally, they are referring to what is commonly called an "assault" rifle, like the AR17. You know the difference between that and a wooden rifle? Black plastic. Just cos it looks scarier doesn't mean it fires any faster or harder. And second, 20% of the population in America has some form of mental, or emotional (such as bipolar), disability..yet only 61 have gone on a rampage like this in the past 30 years. They are going to penalize millions of people who have mostly shown they are perfectly responsible with a gun or rifle, because of the actions of just 61 individuals. Yet I see no legislation being pushed to put a stop to gang members and drug runners/dealers, the folks behind the majority of gun violence, from being able to buy a gun or rifle. So you stop another 60 in the next 30 years, but we will continue to see 10,000 gun-caused homicides every year because you won't deal with the bigger source. These laws are not about stopping the violence. They are purely just to make you feel better.

Zoso

yes!

brianlux

I love that dude. Thumbs up, Stone!

Jeanwah

Bump. I'd rather see Stone at the top than the non-stop gun debates.

This thread is about awareness, not a debate about guns.

brianlux

Jeanwah wrote:

Bump. I'd rather see Stone at the top than the non-stop gun debates.

This thread is about awareness, not a debate about guns.

I'll bump that! :thumbup:

unsung

Jeanwah wrote:

From PJ's Activism FB page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pearl-Ja ... ts&fref=ts

Stone Gossard urges you to Stand Up and Rally for Sane Gun Laws in Washington State in memory of the Sandy Hook victims on 1.13.13 at 1:30 pm from Westlake Park to Seattle Center. Learn more about how you can get involved: http://bit.ly/StandUpWA

What does he have right?

brianlux

Stoney!

oops...sorry :oops:

Did I mention how cool I thing this guy is? :thumbup:

usamamasan1

http://expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/154975

usamamasan1

http://expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/161850

usamamasan1

http://expressobeans.com/public/detail.php/155455

usamamasan1

Maybe Stone should talk to Ed and have him stop throwing all the dangerous imagery out there.

Movies, video games, concert posters...
Glorifying violence

Zoso

usamamasan1 wrote:

Maybe Stone should talk to Ed and have him stop throwing all the dangerous imagery out there.

Movies, video games, concert posters...
Glorifying violence

Violence is in video games and movies all over the world so it can't be te number 1 factor here... Sure it's an issue but a side issue on the gun debate.. mental health also need to e looked at but as a side issue as again mental health is an issue all over the world... Guns is the issue with stone andante others for the exact same issue.

usamamasan1

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Carry on

Zoso

usamamasan1 wrote:

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Carry on

You seem to be an issue with me giving you my 2 cents. I acknowledged that we have to look at violence in society on TV etc but I believe it can't be the number contributor to gun violence,

Flutter Girl

Zoso wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Carry on

You seem to be an issue with me giving you my 2 cents. I acknowledged that we have to look at violence in society on TV etc but I believe it can't be the number contributor to gun violence,

Poverty is. Kids in poor areas tend to turn to selling drugs or theft to survive. In either case, they often also end up in a gang as a result, which adds to the violence. It's why the UK has less gun crime than Mexico, even tho they both have total gun bans. The UK isn't as dirt poor as Mexico.

Is a kid shooting someone everyday over "turf", or drugs, or gang violence, not also a rampage? If you ban the mentally ill over 61 incidents over the past 30 years, then why is there no ban being proposed against folks in poor areas where the vast majority of the 10,000 annual gun homicides occur? No one actually wants to deal with the issue. They just want to slap a bandaid on it and pretend they did something.

Zoso

Flutter Girl wrote:

Zoso wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Carry on

You seem to be an issue with me giving you my 2 cents. I acknowledged that we have to look at violence in society on TV etc but I believe it can't be the number contributor to gun violence,

Poverty is. Kids in poor areas tend to turn to selling drugs or theft to survive. In either case, they often also end up in a gang as a result, which adds to the violence. It's why the UK has less gun crime than Mexico, even tho they both have total gun bans. The UK isn't as dirt poor as Mexico.

Is a kid shooting someone everyday over "turf", or drugs, or gang violence, not also a rampage? If you ban the mentally ill over 61 incidents over the past 30 years, then why is there no ban being proposed against folks in poor areas where the vast majority of the 10,000 annual gun homicides occur? No one actually wants to deal with the issue. They just want to slap a bandaid on it and pretend they did something.

agreed with everything you just said.

Flutter Girl

Zoso wrote:

agreed with everything you just said.

Zoso

Flutter Girl wrote:

Zoso wrote:

agreed with everything you just said.

it's rare on AMT so I'm going to enjoy this moment.

Flutter Girl

lol

PJ_Soul

Flutter Girl wrote:

It makes no sense. I'm not a gun enthusiast, I don't even own one..I just see a total lack of logic being used here..Firstly, they have to define what a "semi-automatic assault weapon" is. Generally, they are referring to what is commonly called an "assault" rifle, like the AR17. You know the difference between that and a wooden rifle? Black plastic. Just cos it looks scarier doesn't mean it fires any faster or harder. And second, 20% of the population in America has some form of mental, or emotional (such as bipolar), disability..yet only 61 have gone on a rampage like this in the past 30 years. They are going to penalize millions of people who have mostly shown they are perfectly responsible with a gun or rifle, because of the actions of just 61 individuals. Yet I see no legislation being pushed to put a stop to gang members and drug runners/dealers, the folks behind the majority of gun violence, from being able to buy a gun or rifle. So you stop another 60 in the next 30 years, but we will continue to see 10,000 gun-caused homicides every year because you won't deal with the bigger source. These laws are not about stopping the violence. They are purely just to make you feel better.

I have never had the impression that gun control is not for the sake of stopping all those criminals you mentioned. Gun control is not just about stopping the mass shootings. The point is indeed to deal with the bigger source as well.

comebackgirl

Zoso wrote:

Flutter Girl wrote:

Zoso wrote:

You seem to be an issue with me giving you my 2 cents. I acknowledged that we have to look at violence in society on TV etc but I believe it can't be the number contributor to gun violence,

Poverty is. Kids in poor areas tend to turn to selling drugs or theft to survive. In either case, they often also end up in a gang as a result, which adds to the violence. It's why the UK has less gun crime than Mexico, even tho they both have total gun bans. The UK isn't as dirt poor as Mexico.

Is a kid shooting someone everyday over "turf", or drugs, or gang violence, not also a rampage? If you ban the mentally ill over 61 incidents over the past 30 years, then why is there no ban being proposed against folks in poor areas where the vast majority of the 10,000 annual gun homicides occur? No one actually wants to deal with the issue. They just want to slap a bandaid on it and pretend they did something.

agreed with everything you just said.

Seriously...I'm wondering where Flutter Girl has been my whole life

Flutter Girl

PJ_Soul wrote:

I have never had the impression that gun control is not for the sake of stopping all those criminals you mentioned. Gun control is not just about stopping the mass shootings. The point is indeed to deal with the bigger source as well.

That's the problem..It doesn't. As shown by the "assault" weapons ban we already had (the Government itself even did a study and showed it had no effect), and the total gun ban we had in D.C. (despite having more police officers per capita than any other state, they still had the highest crime rate in the nation during the ban and it has dropped significantly since the ban was reversed), and now Chicago (highest homicidal gun deaths in the U.S. last year). Emotional logic says ban them and the violence will stop. But actual numbers show that crime only gets worse when you ban them or make laws stricter.

And again, why punish millions with mental disabilities over what a few have done. They have largely shown they are responsible. And also as said, if they want to kill, they will. Timothy McVeigh killed over 100 people, including 19 children under the age of 6. He used fertalizer, racing fuel, and a box truck. No guns. You can't even pin down one type of crazy among the 61..the only thing they had in common was blood thirst and lack of empathy for their victims.

Flutter Girl

comebackgirl wrote:

Zoso wrote:

agreed with everything you just said.

Seriously...I'm wondering where Flutter Girl has been my whole life

lol..I'm enjoying several folks agreeing with me..I got run off this board in the past..

Jeanwah

No offense to anyone, but I really, really don't want this thread to become just another gun debate. There is a whole page of gun threads, please carry on that debate in one of the other threads.

Flutter Girl

But the original post is about gun legislation. You want this thread to just be everyone wagging their tongues over how right Stone is? Cos I'm sorry, but I disagree. I think there is a lot that is being ignored by the folks pushing these laws.

Jeanwah

Flutter Girl wrote:

But the original post is about gun legislation.

I mentioned in a post above that this thread is about spreading awareness.

Flutter Girl

Okay..but I dunno, maybe I'm not understanding, but how is it not spreading awareness talking about how banning guns from the mentally disabled is ignorance. I have brain damage from an innoculation. Because of the type of damage it's done, I am legally labelled and considered mentally disabled. I take great offence to things like what Stone is pushing because it puts all of us into one catagory. We're all nutcases who might go off on people with a gun. I don't appreciate it when people group us together like that without even bothering to get the mentally disabled's point of view. I've been seeing this being done by both sides on a huge scale. Very few have spoken up for us with accurate information. Most mentally ill gun owners have shown they are perfectly capable of being responsible with a gun.

brianlux

Jeanwah wrote:

I mentioned in a post above that this thread is about spreading awareness.

Stones great at doing that. He seems to know how to gauge how much is enough but not too much that way- that's a hard balance to achieve. "Pace, pace, lead", as we used to say.

brianlux

Flutter Girl wrote:

Okay..but I dunno, maybe I'm not understanding, but how is it not spreading awareness talking about how banning guns from the mentally disabled is ignorance. I have brain damage from an innoculation. Because of the type of damage it's done, I am legally labelled and considered mentally disabled. I take great offence to things like what Stone is pushing because it puts all of us into one catagory. We're all nutcases who might go off on people with a gun. I don't appreciate it when people group us together like that without even bothering to get the mentally disabled's point of view. I've been seeing this being done by both sides on a huge scale. Very few have spoken up for us with accurate information. Most mentally ill gun owners have shown they are perfectly capable of being responsible with a gun.

"Stone is pushing because it puts all of us into one catagory"

Stone who?

Not Stone G.-- I just can't imagine that. I've never met the guy but I seriously can't imagine that he'd have anything against any of us who are brain damage.

We might consider posting guideline #5, "The band's personal lives are private", before getting too carried away focusing on Stone, especially if the OP's intent was otherwise which appears to be so.