Wow, this is Congress in action???

unsung

http://www.examiner.com/article/h-r-193 ... ister-them


:fp:

JC29856

A patented seed is a seed that is the product of human intervention and has been claimed as intellectual property. Most patents in question, however, are patents by the company Monsanto on their genetically engineered seeds.

JC29856

scary...

Without the ability to patent and profit from our efforts there would be little incentive to develop the technology that thousands of farmers use today.

http://monsantoblog.com/2009/06/19/seed-patent-history/

gimmesometruth27

yeah the first bill in the new congress was not to do anything to help those affected by hurricane sandy, but michelle bachmann introduced the first bill and it was to repeal obamacare....as if that was ever going to pass considering it failed 39 other previous votes :fp:

unsung

Monsanto is probably the most evil and dangerous company in the world.

81

unsung wrote:

Monsanto is probably the most evil and dangerous company in the world.

yup

i can buy a seed, grow a plant, harvest it, but i can not keep some of the harvest to grow more plants next year. :fp:

JC29856

all of our efforts should be done with one goal in mind...profit! everything should be a commodity, even the basic necessities for life, food! patent it and profit!

i filed a patent on walking the old lady across the street..hopefully some day i make a killing on it (no pun intended)

redrock

81 wrote:

unsung wrote:

Monsanto is probably the most evil and dangerous company in the world.

yup

i can buy a seed, grow a plant, harvest it, but i can not keep some of the harvest to grow more plants next year. :fp:

Of course you can. Just don't use genetically modified seeds which are the intellectual property of the likes of Monsanto. But of course, genetically modified seeds are said to give better crop yield, therefore more profits. Used even if we don't know how in the long run, these genetically modified crops affects our bodies and minds.

These seeds are patented, you pay to use what is patented. Even if you generate 'copies' of said item (here a seed), they are still under that patent and the intellectual property of the 'one' who initially filed. Whether one agrees or not, that's the rule.

MotoDC

redrock wrote:

81 wrote:

unsung wrote:

Monsanto is probably the most evil and dangerous company in the world.

yup

i can buy a seed, grow a plant, harvest it, but i can not keep some of the harvest to grow more plants next year. :fp:

Of course you can. Just don't use genetically modified seeds which are the intellectual property of the likes of Monsanto. But of course, genetically modified seeds are said to give better crop yield, therefore more profits. Used even if we don't know how in the long run, these genetically modified crops affects our bodies and minds.

These seeds are patented, you pay to use what is patented. Even if you generate 'copies' of said item (here a seed), they are still under that patent and the intellectual property of the 'one' who initially filed. Whether one agrees or not, that's the rule.

I'm pretty ignorant on this stuff, so forgive me, but I thought part of the concern was that eventually the genetically modified seeds would be all that we have left?

Jason P

Seems like a hard thing to regulate.

Anyway, I've been told organic crops yield the same as bio-engineered crops. Why would a farmer want to re-seed using a Monsanto product?

81

redrock wrote:

81 wrote:

unsung wrote:

Monsanto is probably the most evil and dangerous company in the world.

yup

i can buy a seed, grow a plant, harvest it, but i can not keep some of the harvest to grow more plants next year. :fp:

Of course you can. Just don't use genetically modified seeds which are the intellectual property of the likes of Monsanto. But of course, genetically modified seeds are said to give better crop yield, therefore more profits. Used even if we don't know how in the long run, these genetically modified crops affects our bodies and minds.

These seeds are patented, you pay to use what is patented. Even if you generate 'copies' of said item (here a seed), they are still under that patent and the intellectual property of the 'one' who initially filed. Whether one agrees or not, that's the rule.

does anyone know if the farmer needs to sign a form consenting to these rules when they purchase the seed?

redrock

81 - I don't know how Monsanto (for example) packages these seeds but I would have thought that the patent number would be printed on the packaging somewhere which is considered notification. Should one purchase a pack of these seeds, one implicitly accepts the rules and regulations relative to the patent. The onus is on the purchaser to make himself aware of what these rules are. That's how it would normally work. Similar to the 'copyright' or 'trademark' notification on goods.

Motodc - it is a huge concern and I really hope it doesn't come to that. That farmers will continue to have a choice (as the consumer). Whilst I can understand the immediate perceived benefits, there it's just not enough research on long term impact, whether on nature or on humans and other animals.

Prince Of Dorkness

unsung wrote:

Monsanto is probably the most evil and dangerous company in the world.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, I think.

I'm pretty sure that there are many more dangerous companies in the world. Haliburton and Bain Capital come to mind.

but yes... GMO foods are... scary.

unsung

Monsanto is trying to control the food supply, that's pretty evil.

81

redrock wrote:

81 - I don't know how Monsanto (for example) packages these seeds but I would have thought that the patent number would be printed on the packaging somewhere which is considered notification. Should one purchase a pack of these seeds, one implicitly accepts the rules and regulations relative to the patent. The onus is on the purchaser to make himself aware of what these rules are. That's how it would normally work. Similar to the 'copyright' or 'trademark' notification on goods.

Motodc - it is a huge concern and I really hope it doesn't come to that. That farmers will continue to have a choice (as the consumer). Whilst I can understand the immediate perceived benefits, there it's just not enough research on long term impact, whether on nature or on humans and other animals.

i'll do some digging tonight and report back on the monsanto findings.

redrock

It's such a complex issue this protecting your intellectual rights. This link gives a bit of insight (a brief summary of a case where a farmer has been sued).

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/1 ... g-patents/

A simple google of monsanto patented seeds will keep you busy reading for a very long time!

riotgrl

unsung wrote:

Monsanto is trying to control the food supply, that's pretty evil.

Agreed. Monsanto is evil and just as bad, they are backed by the FDA. Do we really want to eat food manufactured by the company that created Agent Orange? If so, I'll be happy to tell you about the problems my dad has suffered because of it. And we eat that shit? No thanks.

riotgrl

MotoDC wrote:

redrock wrote:

81 wrote:

yup

i can buy a seed, grow a plant, harvest it, but i can not keep some of the harvest to grow more plants next year. :fp:

Of course you can. Just don't use genetically modified seeds which are the intellectual property of the likes of Monsanto. But of course, genetically modified seeds are said to give better crop yield, therefore more profits. Used even if we don't know how in the long run, these genetically modified crops affects our bodies and minds.

These seeds are patented, you pay to use what is patented. Even if you generate 'copies' of said item (here a seed), they are still under that patent and the intellectual property of the 'one' who initially filed. Whether one agrees or not, that's the rule.

I'm pretty ignorant on this stuff, so forgive me, but I thought part of the concern was that eventually the genetically modified seeds would be all that we have left?

I think that is part of the long term plan. Already we see fewer and fewer varieties of the crops that are GMO. Did you know that there is bread that won't mold for 6 months? Real food goes bad if your food doesn't then I would be hesitant to eat it.

unsung

If it doesn't mold does that make it food or a chemical?

riotgrl

unsung wrote:

If it doesn't mold does that make it food or a chemical?

Well apparently, they use a microwave to kill mold spores. And I was wrong it's not 6 months it's 60 days, my bad. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/08/texas-company-claims-new-microwave-keeps-bread-mold-free-for-60-days/

81

did some digging.....

to buy monsanto seeds, you need to sign a "Monsanto Technology/Stewardship Agreement"

found this info on a seed selling company's advertisment of a Monsanto Soybean

http://www.stewartseeds.com/products/Do ... 2500R2.pdf

The purchase/bailment/transfer of these seeds conveys no license under said patents to use
these seeds or perform any of the methods covered by these patents. A license must first be
obtained before these seeds can be used in any way. See your seed dealer to sign a
Monsanto Technology/Stewardship Agreement ("MTSA"). Progeny of these seeds cannot be
cleaned or used as planting seed or transferred to others for planting. These seeds may only
be offered for sale and distribution by authorized seed companies or their dealers. Before
opening a bag of seed, be sure you read, understand and accept the stewardship
requirements for the biotechnology traits expressed in the seed as set forth in the Monsanto
Technology/Stewardship Agreement that you signed. By opening and using the bag of seed,
you are reaffirming your obligation to comply with the most recent stewardship requirements.

81

during my search, i ran across this supreme court case....

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/1 ... reme-court

unsung

They've also sued neighboring farms when their seed "blows" onto the neighbors land.

Prince Of Dorkness

unsung wrote:

Monsanto is trying to control the food supply, that's pretty evil.

Bain capital buys up profitable companies using borrowed money, pays off the upper management, outsources the jobs to China and makes the people who lent the money pay for the whole thing, thus leaving hundreds of millions of dollars for Bain Capital (read: Mitt Romney) and thousands of Americans unemployed.

So... I guess we have different ideas of what "pretty evil" means.

But yes... Monsanto is certainly an evil company.

Prince Of Dorkness

unsung wrote:

They've also sued neighboring farms when their seed "blows" onto the neighbors land.

They've been doing that for over 20 years, from what I understand.

Prince Of Dorkness

Here's something else that will shock you.

That "wheat" they have bio-engineered... It's not really the same thing as you'r body has been breaking down for thousands of centuries. So while it's considered "wheat" and "whole grains," it's most likely the main cause for that muffin top you had. While people are much more active than they were and they desperately try to work out more and eat more "whole grains," we're 20-35 pounds heavier than we would have been in the 60s.

Because the food we eat causes what's known as "wheat belly."

Are you like a lot of Americans who seem lean over most of their body? Arms, legs, upper back, neck... even their butt? But have a huge, swelling and uncontrolled flabby layer of lard around the middle? That's not caused by you being lazy or eating too much (if it was, you'd be fat all over your body, not just your middle). That's caused by your body's inability to handle the gluten in the wheat.

Go Gluten free for 2 months. Change nothing else.

See what happens. You'll know then just how evil the food industry is. Because they know... and yet they have managed to convince people they need to eat "whole grains" in every meal.

unsung

My girlfriends family pretty much all have issues with gluten, good point.

riotgrl

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

unsung wrote:

Monsanto is trying to control the food supply, that's pretty evil.

Bain capital buys up profitable companies using borrowed money, pays off the upper management, outsources the jobs to China and makes the people who lent the money pay for the whole thing, thus leaving hundreds of millions of dollars for Bain Capital (read: Mitt Romney) and thousands of Americans unemployed.

So... I guess we have different ideas of what "pretty evil" means.

But yes... Monsanto is certainly an evil company.

Monsanto creates bio-engineered crops that are not only inferior but that are used in virtually every food we eat (check out the list of foods http://www.purezing.com/living/toxins/living_toxins_foodcornproducts.htmlthat you eat that contain soy and corn - both of which are engineered by Monsanto). These foods are physically addictive which keeps you eating more and more and more. These foods cause a myriad of diseases from diabetes to auto-immune disorders that keeps you going to the doctors office. Doctors whom are bought and paid for by pharmaceutical companies all of which are backed and endorsed by the FDA and the USDA which are controlled by former executives that ran the very industries that are deliberately making us ill in order to make profits.