Opinions? Should he have to pay child support?

SPEEDY MCCREADY
SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,945
edited January 2013 in A Moving Train
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/04/us/kansas ... ?hpt=hp_t2
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    At face value... no.

    But this story exudes dysfunction. The woman took major risks to avoid costs. Why would a guy offer his gizz to a lesbian couple on Craig's List? Is this his idea of making charitable contributions?
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/04/us/kansas-sperm-donation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    Yes.....
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  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    At face value... no.

    But this story exudes dysfunction. The woman took major risks to avoid costs. Why would a guy offer his gizz to a lesbian couple on Craig's List? Is this his idea of making charitable contributions?

    I agree. This story has a really bad feeling to it!

    I think it actually calls attention to the reality of the whole "sperm donation" issue. When people donate sperm, they are "donating" the material for half of a PERSON. This person, once born, is the man's child. Even if he was not involved with the fertilization of the egg.

    My husband would never consider donating sperm because he imagined it was like selling his potential children! :|
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Absolutely not.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    seems not fair him to pay..
    but..its how he feels about it...
    he donate sperm..but in the end of the day is his children..
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,945
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Absolutely not.
    Agreed.
    No way in hell should this guy have to pay child support.
    This whole situation is/was shady.
    I wouldnt be the least surprised to find out these 2 ladies had this planned all along.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,779
    this contract he signed stating he would not be financially responsible or otherwise a part of the childs life, I wonder if it was signed in the presence of a lawyer or at a minimum a notary. I also wonder if these women listed him on the birth certificate?


    This ,on its face, doesnt seem like the mother is the instigator here but rather the state seeking redress.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
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    I wouldnt be the least surprised to find out these 2 ladies had this planned all along.
    yeah..that crossed my mind too
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  • QuarterToTen
    QuarterToTen Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,651
    Legally responsible, absolutely not.

    But morally responsible, in such a deeply emotional matter of the heart, how could the poor guy not feel some sort of obligation. It seems more than cruel to put this man in this terrible ethical dilemma.

    In today's world these situations are going to be happening more and more frequently.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    QuarterToTen wrote:
    Legally responsible, absolutely not.

    But morally responsible, in such a deeply emotional matter of the heart, how could the poor guy not feel some sort of obligation. It seems more than cruel to put this man in this terrible ethical dilemma.

    In today's world these situations are going to be happening more and more frequently.
    i agree with this exactly
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    QuarterToTen wrote:
    In today's world these situations are going to be happening more and more frequently.
    A friend of mine was asked to donate sperm in a similar situation. He declined because of potential support/custody issues down the road. His feeling was that no matter how the woman felt now, there was no predicting what might happen in the future.

    I was flabbergasted that someone would just ask a man to father her child, like it's borrowing a cup of sugar. :shock:
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    I smell a rat.

    First... Three cups? No man ejaculates three cups of fluid in one go.

    And yes, I am professionally aware of that.

    They did no testing for STDs?

    Sperm doesn't really live that long outside the body. It's why you need a doctor to help the process.

    I think this is a couple who were trying to bilk the system.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    IF what this guy says is true...........then no way in hell.

    but I'd never personally donate. I couldn't live knowing I had biological children out there and not be involved in their lives.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    mickeyrat wrote:
    this contract he signed stating he would not be financially responsible or otherwise a part of the childs life, I wonder if it was signed in the presence of a lawyer or at a minimum a notary. I also wonder if these women listed him on the birth certificate?


    This ,on its face, doesnt seem like the mother is the instigator here but rather the state seeking redress.

    The news story on tv showed a brief image of the contract and what I saw only had the three parties signatures and no notary. It was just a homemade contract which seems legally iffy in this kind of situation. The state is pushing it, my guess due to the child being on Medicaid and possibly other public assistance.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Yeah, agreed this doesn't pass the smell test.

    Also, aren't documents signed at some point before the process that indemnify the donor from situations like this?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    hedonist wrote:
    Yeah, agreed this doesn't pass the smell test.

    Also, aren't documents signed at some point before the process that indemnify the donor from situations like this?

    If you go through the right process, but in this case, they didn't. You know how those craigslist transactions are, that is if you're a real hedonist :lol:
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Go Beavers wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Yeah, agreed this doesn't pass the smell test.

    Also, aren't documents signed at some point before the process that indemnify the donor from situations like this?

    If you go through the right process, but in this case, they didn't. You know how those craigslist transactions are, that is if you're a real hedonist :lol:
    I AM a real one (within reason)! ...just not a stupid or careless one :mrgreen:

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  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    once one donates something....it no longer is theirs. Once a person or couple accept that donation....its theirs forever. Simple as that!
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  • tkbelle1980
    tkbelle1980 Posts: 43
    In the end there are a series of choices. Woman have a choice whether or not to have a child, why then do fathers not have the same right? Why do fathers have no rights, sperm donation or not? Sure the argument is a moral argument, but why should woman have control of everything. i am all about woman's rights being a woman myself, but if the father says he doesn't want the baby, then the woman is faced with a decision, to have the baby and be responsible for it, or terminate it. But men, they don't have that option, their fate falls upon the woman's choice. How is that fair? So because she decides to have the baby now he is responsible and has no choice. This has only a little bit to do with issue at hand, but it something that came to mind when i was reading this article. Just being the devils advocate here, but I am interested to hear your thoughts. So please weigh in.

    This issue is not complex, he donated and it was understood that was the only involvement that he would have. Seems a little unfair that he is now being made to be responsible for a child that he did not agree he would be responsible for, this lesbian couple should be the ones responsible, they were the ones that decided to bring this child into the world and care for it. The real question is, Why then is the other participant not being forced to take care of what she conscientiously agreed to.... Oh that's right because gay marriage is illegal there and they don't have equal rights so her responsibilities are unrecognized and state is ignoring what is really going on.. Most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, once again the justice system fails... And another innocent person falls victim.. So I guess the lesson here is, don't donate sperm through any channels then those set out by law or it could come back to bite you. I see someone that was compassionate that was helping a gay couple be parents and fulfilling their dream of being parents being taken advantage of for an act of kindness.
  • tkbelle1980
    tkbelle1980 Posts: 43
    fear4freedom wrote:
    once one donates something....it no longer is theirs. Once a person or couple accept that donation....its theirs forever. Simple as that!

    I loved this response!

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