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unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
edited January 2013 in A Moving Train
https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal ... s/MA11.pdf

2011

433 murders
361 were shot
ONE person was shot with an "assault rifle"...


Three people were murdered with an automobile by comparison.


So I guess the "assault rifle" isn't really the weapon of choice when murder is the goal.

That is all. Continue to be distracted.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited January 2013
    unsung wrote:
    https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/News/Statistical Reports/Murder Reports/MA11.pdf
    2011
    433 murders
    361 were shot
    ONE person was shot with an "assault rifle"...

    Three people were murdered with an automobile by comparison.
    So I guess the "assault rifle" isn't really the weapon of choice when murder is the goal.
    That is all. Continue to be distracted.
    ...
    Great. Thanx for posting that.
    361 of 433 were shot... with a gun, right? Is that considered a 'majority' of the murders? How many were murdered by a car... 3? How about by a baseball bat... 1?
    And how hard is it to get an assault rifle in Chicago? Easy or hard?
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    how many were killed by cat litter boxes?
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    And look at the bright side... the murder rates have dropped since 1991 (did Chicago enact any type of gun control between 1991 and 2011).
    ...
    And the odds are in your favor if you are NOT:
    A Black or Hispanic Male between the ages of 17 and 35 with no prior arrest record and are not in a Street Gang that lives in Areas 1,2 or 4.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/News/Statistical Reports/Murder Reports/MA11.pdf

    2011

    433 murders
    361 were shot
    ONE person was shot with an "assault rifle"...


    Three people were murdered with an automobile by comparison.


    So I guess the "assault rifle" isn't really the weapon of choice when murder is the goal.

    That is all. Continue to be distracted.
    what you are saying is like saying "using c-4 is clearly not the weapon of choice when blowing something up is the goal"....

    because there are so many other forms of explosive that can be used to accomplish the same end.

    the gun is the problem. not the type of gun, ie assault rifle, but guns period.
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    361 were shot??
    with what??

    with bananas ? or with farts?
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    361 were shot??
    with what??

    with bananas ? or with farts?
    big old poops... yeah farts, man. chicago style pizza gives a guy a gasy tummy. chicago smells of fart passing. many die annually due to fart inhaling. bad bad times we are living in, my friend
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    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    chadwick wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    361 were shot??
    with what??

    with bananas ? or with farts?
    big old poops... yeah farts, man. chicago style pizza gives a guy a gasy tummy. chicago smells of fart passing. many die annually due to fart inhaling. bad bad times we are living in, my friend
    i know../.but if u think about is better die from farts..
    cos farts go out of the ass..
    bananas the opposite.. :lol:
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    however in chicago many slip on banana peelings, fall, smack head... then death. or

    many in chicago flash others their small or bulky banana... this leads to laughter, sheer terror, or rage... many die from the flash of a naked ass banana shown to them. in fact many a banana flasher have been hung, burnt to death, fed to sharks in a chicago river or shot with high capacity machine gun clips.

    i'll accept fart over banana showing any day. no need in the banana for me. others may feel differently than i.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    These pro gun threads are pure gold.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    According to the records... in 1991 there were 640 murdered by gun fire.
    And if you look at Table 13 on pg.26, the numbers begin to decline around 1998.
    in the 8 year period, from 1991 to 1998, there were 4,924 murders by guns (avg. 615.5 per year)... and in the last 8 years (2004 to 2011) the total is 2,889 (avg. 361 per year). A difference of 2,035.
    ...
    My question is... what has changed in Chicago?
    I understand there are a lot of varying factors, but what are those factors? More cops? Fewer gangs? Lower population? Fewer poor? More gun restrictions? Fewer gun restrictions?
    What?
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,517
    unsung wrote:
    https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/News/Statistical Reports/Murder Reports/MA11.pdf

    2011

    433 murders
    361 were shot
    ONE person was shot with an "assault rifle"...


    Three people were murdered with an automobile by comparison.


    So I guess the "assault rifle" isn't really the weapon of choice when murder is the goal.

    That is all. Continue to be distracted.

    I'm sure the relatives of the firemen killed in NY will now turn their frowns into smiles after reading your statistic.
  • fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
    Also, hammers and bats were used more than rifles last year.....you gonna ban hammers and bats??
    Theres no time like the present

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    Smellyman wrote:
    These pro gun threads are pure gold.

    this
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  • fear4freedomfear4freedom Posts: 920
    I would rather die from a gunshot....than a few hammer blows! But hey thats my personal opinion....what you say?
    Theres no time like the present

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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Cosmo wrote:
    And look at the bright side... the murder rates have dropped since 1991 (did Chicago enact any type of gun control between 1991 and 2011).
    ...




    And the odds are in your favor if you are NOT:
    A Black or Hispanic Male between the ages of 17 and 35 with no prior arrest record and are not in a Street Gang that lives in Areas 1,2 or 4.




    Could have been as simple as an abortion 18 years prior, give or take



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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Last year, 2012, over 500 people were killed in the city. The city with the strictest gun control in the nation. Gun control does not work. Criminals do not obey gun laws.




    THIS
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    That's it. Agreed.

    Dysfunctional families and the drug trade are a wicked pisser
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    BTW, the amount of people killed every two weeks in Chicago equals Sandy Hook. I guess the media doesn't want to point that out though given that the city had a total ban on handguns for 20 years and still makes it just about impossible to obtain one legally. I could get an illegal one in less than an hour. The media doesn't want people to know that gun control doesn't work, because it only disarms the law abiding, and leaves them defenseless.

    The nation will never hear of it, I mean how many people really give a shit about some poor black kids, right?
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Don Moran, president of the Illinois State Rifle Association, thinks new laws will not make a dent in the violence. The illegal guns are already out there. The people buying and shooting them with reckless abandon won’t even learn that the gun laws exist, let alone respect them. 
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Murder is a law. Do they respect that?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    Last year, 2012, over 500 people were killed in the city. The city with the strictest gun control in the nation. Gun control does not work. Criminals do not obey gun laws.




    THIS
    so the answer is to arm everyone to their teeth. we get it...


    yawn.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I haven't said that. I don't believe felons or the mentally incapable should be allowed the use of arms.

    You don't get it. My entire point is that you don't punish the law abiding.
  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    unsung wrote:
    I haven't said that. I don't believe felons or the mentally incapable should be allowed the use of arms.

    You don't get it. My entire point is that you don't punish the law abiding.

    yes, we get it. unfortunately, not many people come out of the womb a felon.
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    unsung wrote:
    I haven't said that. I don't believe felons or the mentally incapable should be allowed the use of arms.

    You don't get it. My entire point is that you don't punish the law abiding.

    isn't this most gun owners? :lol:

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    Last year, 2012, over 500 people were killed in the city. The city with the strictest gun control in the nation. Gun control does not work. Criminals do not obey gun laws.

    THIS
    ...
    Wait... now, i'm confused.
    I thought you posted those 2011 number to show that of the 461 murders in Chicago... only one was killed with an assault rifle. A plus on the side of assault rifles.
    Now, you are complaining that the murder rate has increased by 39? I mean, what is the breakdown? How many of the 500 murders were the results of guns? How many the results of assault rifles?
    Because, it seems like you'd be happy is zero or 1 were killed with assault rifles because it would further support your initial point.
    ...
    I think.
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  • riotgrlriotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Washington, DC has similar gun laws to Chicago and they have continued to see a decrease in their murder rate. In fact, they look to be close to hitting an all time 50 year low. To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    riotgrl wrote:
    Washington, DC has similar gun laws to Chicago and they have continued to see a decrease in their murder rate. In fact, they look to be close to hitting an all time 50 year low. To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction.
    australia has very strict gun laws as well. and their gun injury and death rate is significantly down.

    all it took was ONE mass shooting and the aussies acted.

    we have had multiple mass shootings this year already, and nothing.
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    unsung wrote:
    Murder is a law. Do they respect that?

    so should we make murder legal then?
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Don Moran, president of the Illinois State Rifle Association, thinks new laws will not make a dent in the violence. The illegal guns are already out there. The people buying and shooting them with reckless abandon won’t even learn that the gun laws exist, let alone respect them. 

    this is about as objective as posting a statement about the positives of the porn industry from Prince of Dorkness.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Don Moran, president of the Illinois State Rifle Association, thinks new laws will not make a dent in the violence. The illegal guns are already out there. The people buying and shooting them with reckless abandon won’t even learn that the gun laws exist, let alone respect them. 

    this is about as objective as posting a statement about the positives of the porn industry from Prince of Dorkness.
    :lol::lol:
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