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The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

the coaching is just...better now.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=330919021

excluding week 3 of this season of course :fp:

again let's have chip make a playoff game, let alone win a few 1st before declaring him a success. remember Jets fans thought Mangini was a genius after one year too.

he's done a nice job, with a lot of breaks so far. just really glad Andy left him so many good players.

....yeah, you already replied to this post. so i guess you agree that the 03 and 04 seasons prove my point.


anyway, if you think andy left him so many good players, the fact that they are playing better under the new coaching staff should be a clear indication of how much better the coaching is. but half of the defense has been turned over as well--that is significant turnover for one off season. billy davis deserves more credit than he's gotten so far. coaching was awful the last couple years here.

speaking about breaks, reid still has not beaten a team with a winning record. half of his team's wins have come against backup qb's. so a lot more breaks for that team---and that is the reality of the modern day nfl, though. lot of mediocre teams and lots of injuries. the good teams take advantage of their opportunities.

go birds.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

speaking about breaks, reid still has not beaten a team with a winning record.

really??????? last I checked the Eagles were 8-5 and the Cowboys 7-6. that's 2 teams with winning records the Chiefs have beaten. just idiotic. why do I even bother? :fp:

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

speaking about breaks, reid still has not beaten a team with a winning record.

really??????? last I checked the Eagles were 8-5 and the Cowboys 7-6. that's 2 teams with winning records the Chiefs have beaten. just idiotic. why do I even bother? :fp:

because you enjoy losing arguments to everyone? it pertains to at the time the game was played. the cowboys were 1-0. birds were 1-1. i missed the cowboys. congrats-they stink anyway.
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what about the other 90% of my post that you did not address. do we have common ground in these points below or are you still in denial?

-anyway, if you think andy left him so many good players, the fact that they are playing better under the new coaching staff should be a clear indication of how much better the coaching is. but half of the defense has been turned over as well--that is significant turnover for one off season. billy davis deserves more credit than he's gotten so far. coaching was awful the last couple years here.....

-andy reid and his breaks: half of his team's wins have come against backup qb's. so a lot more breaks for that team---and that is the reality of the modern day nfl, though. lot of mediocre teams and lots of injuries. the good teams take advantage of their opportunities.

Jearlpam0925

Did Paramount pay Chip to drop the Anchorman reference?

The Juggler

pjhawks, why didn't you tell us you were interested in the head coaching position at UND?

http://deadspin.com/man-applies-for-und ... 1481626884

Man Applies For UND Head Coach Job, Cites Playing Madden As Experience

My football philosophy is basically an attacking one. We're going to give AIR RAID a whole new definition. Theoretically how many times do you think a team can pass in a game? Challenge accepted. We're going 5 wide, chucking the pigskin all over the place. Never punt. Onside every time. Chip Kelly will be calling me to learn my offense. We will put on an exciting brand of football, we will pack them into the Alerus Center night in and night out, go ahead and blow the roof off the place and add about 35,000 seats to that place.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

speaking about breaks, reid still has not beaten a team with a winning record.

really??????? last I checked the Eagles were 8-5 and the Cowboys 7-6. that's 2 teams with winning records the Chiefs have beaten. just idiotic. why do I even bother? :fp:

because you enjoy losing arguments to everyone? it pertains to at the time the game was played. the cowboys were 1-0. birds were 1-1. i missed the cowboys. congrats-they stink anyway.
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what about the other 90% of my post that you did not address. do we have common ground in these points below or are you still in denial?

-anyway, if you think andy left him so many good players, the fact that they are playing better under the new coaching staff should be a clear indication of how much better the coaching is. but half of the defense has been turned over as well--that is significant turnover for one off season. billy davis deserves more credit than he's gotten so far. coaching was awful the last couple years here.....

-andy reid and his breaks: half of his team's wins have come against backup qb's. so a lot more breaks for that team---and that is the reality of the modern day nfl, though. lot of mediocre teams and lots of injuries. the good teams take advantage of their opportunities.

1 - you can't possibly believe this is how they calculate who has beaten teams with winnings records can you? no one looks at it in that manner. it's always referring to teams with their current record. that's just more pure idiocy on your part.

below are 3 links that prove my point. 1st is a story about the New England Patriots 2011 season going 13-3 and not beating a team with a winning record. 2nd is their results per game, 3rd is the san diego chargers results who the Pats beat in week 2 when the chargers were 1-0 but ended up 8-8 so it doesn't fucking count as having beat a team with a winning records.

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports ... record.ece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_New_E ... ots_season
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_D ... ers_season

google.com - try it, it's kind of neat and not really hard to do

2 - 90% of the best players on this team are guys that were left here. Other than Barwin is there another guy Chip brought in that is one of the 10 best players on this team? since you had a hard time understanding %s yesterday that means the other 9 are Reid's guys.

3 - so Chip gets credit for 8-5 (from a 4 win team) but Andy gets no credit for 10-3 (from a 2 win team)? fucking brilliant logic there. and I guess week 3 was one of those weeks that you were just looking for 'progress' and winning and losing didn't matter. fucking eagles fans :fp:

seriously :roll:

The Juggler

1- that's what i was looking at. fair point, though. still, half their wins have come against backup qb's and they have had the benefit of the weakest schedule in the entire league. so when talking about breaks, my point remains exactly the same: the chiefs have gotten more of them than the eagles have. reid also inherited a team that had 8 pro bowlers last year.

2- half of the defense has been turned over. h-a-l-f. half of the entire defense has been turned over. what do you not understand about this? half of the entire defense has been turned over in only one off season. that is significant turnover, especially considering they installed an entirely new scheme. on offense, it's mostly the same save for a few key players in ertz and johnson. like i have been saying for months, this is the same situation as when reid took over only, reversed. back then the defense remained mostly the same and carried reid through his successful early years here.....barwin, logan, johnson, and ertz are all playing vital roles in this team's success. earl wolf was having a very strong year as well before his injury. this is year number 1. you might think coaches normally are able to turnover entire rosters in one off season but that is not the case. the players the eagles have drafted and brought in are playing well, and the players that are left over are playing better. this is just a much better run organization from top to bottom than it was compared to the last few years under andy reid.

3- of course reid gets credit. the difference here is chip didn't destroy another franchise before coming here. reid destroyed this team over the last few years. when talking about breaks, i said the good teams take advantage of them---guess this flew right over your head, but this implies the chiefs are also a good team.

i don't understand what is so hard for you to understand here. the coaching is just better. they are playing to the team's strengths like the eagles did way back in in 2003 and 2004, like you mentioned. kelly has done a great job so far.

Jearlpam0925

Dude, why do you even bother arguing with this dipshit?

The most ironic part is his "fucking eagles fans" comment - when the irony is he doesn't even realize how much he encompasses this statement, especially emphasizing the eye roll. Haha, it's almost comical - no, more than just comical.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Dude, why do you even bother arguing with this dipshit?

The most ironic part is his "fucking eagles fans" comment - when the irony is he doesn't even realize how much he encompasses this statement, especially emphasizing the eye roll. Haha, it's almost comical - no, more than just comical.

yeah, i honestly do not know, maybe i feel like maybe...just maybe, i can educate him in the slightest possible way. should have given up that hope years ago.


by the way, am i the only one who finds these michael bolton honda commercials ridiculously funny?

JK_Livin

JK_Livin wrote:

Sorry, had to be done!

I'm a little disappointed this didn't any responses.

JK_Livin

The Juggler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Dude, why do you even bother arguing with this dipshit?

The most ironic part is his "fucking eagles fans" comment - when the irony is he doesn't even realize how much he encompasses this statement, especially emphasizing the eye roll. Haha, it's almost comical - no, more than just comical.

yeah, i honestly do not know, maybe i feel like maybe...just maybe, i can educate him in the slightest possible way. should have given up that hope years ago.


by the way, am i the only one who finds these michael bolton honda commercials ridiculously funny?

No one gets the joke. As soon as people hear Michael Bolton they turn the channel.

JK_Livin

If Joe Webb steps on that field Sunday, I'm turning the game off.

Funny;
Playing in the snow

Vikings defensive end Jared Allen reflected with Philadelphia-area reporters on the last time the Vikings played the Eagles - a snow-delayed, 24-14 Minnesota win in 2010.

He joked that the Eagles could not play in the snow then. When he watched film of the Eagles' win over the Detroit Lions on Sunday, he saw a snow-covered field.

"All the sudden now you guys can play in a blizzard, huh?" Allen said with a laugh. "That must be the difference between Andy [Reid] and Chip Kelly."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eag ... tdc37yB.99

The Juggler

JK_Livin wrote:

If Joe Webb steps on that field Sunday, I'm turning the game off.

Funny;
Playing in the snow

Vikings defensive end Jared Allen reflected with Philadelphia-area reporters on the last time the Vikings played the Eagles - a snow-delayed, 24-14 Minnesota win in 2010.

He joked that the Eagles could not play in the snow then. When he watched film of the Eagles' win over the Detroit Lions on Sunday, he saw a snow-covered field.

"All the sudden now you guys can play in a blizzard, huh?" Allen said with a laugh. "That must be the difference between Andy [Reid] and Chip Kelly."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eag ... tdc37yB.99

Worst game ever. The Birds were actually a 2 td favorite in that one.

This game speaks to my point about how better that coaching is now actually. Vick dropped back to throw 43 times in that game while the team's best player only got 13 carries. In such a pivotal game, close game, bye week on the line--that should never of happened. Even if Shady struggles early you gotta give him the ball like we did this past weekend. Eventually he's gonna break one or at least wear down the defense. And I liked Vick more than most back then but he's not meant to attempt that many passes. His record as a starter is terrible when attempting more than 35 passes in a game.


Back to this week's game....little worried. All the makings of a trap.

Jearlpam0925

Trap game. Big time.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Dude, why do you even bother arguing with this dipshit?

The most ironic part is his "fucking eagles fans" comment - when the irony is he doesn't even realize how much he encompasses this statement, especially emphasizing the eye roll. Haha, it's almost comical - no, more than just comical.

yeah, i honestly do not know, maybe i feel like maybe...just maybe, i can educate him in the slightest possible way. should have given up that hope years ago.


by the way, am i the only one who finds these michael bolton honda commercials ridiculously funny?

funny you don't even understand that 8-5 and 7-6 are winning records but you are going to try an educate me? learn percentages 1st. most of us learned how to calculate those in grade school.

was the coaching better in week 3 of this season? you are awfully quiet about that week. again must have been one of those weeks where 'progress' was more important that winning.

you are the same guy that tried to argue last year that the Patriots were winning because of Stevan Ridley more than Tom Brady so yea that's the mentality I have to deal with.

I hope like hell Chip goes further than Andy this year and every year. we shall see...

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Dude, why do you even bother arguing with this dipshit?

The most ironic part is his "fucking eagles fans" comment - when the irony is he doesn't even realize how much he encompasses this statement, especially emphasizing the eye roll. Haha, it's almost comical - no, more than just comical.

yeah, i honestly do not know, maybe i feel like maybe...just maybe, i can educate him in the slightest possible way. should have given up that hope years ago.


by the way, am i the only one who finds these michael bolton honda commercials ridiculously funny?

funny you don't even understand that 8-5 and 7-6 are winning records but you are going to try an educate me? learn percentages 1st. most of us learned how to calculate those in grade school.

was the coaching better in week 3 of this season? you are awfully quiet about that week. again must have been one of those weeks where 'progress' was more important that winning.

you are the same guy that tried to argue last year that the Patriots were winning because of Stevan Ridley more than Tom Brady so yea that's the mentality I have to deal with.

I hope like hell Chip goes further than Andy this year and every year. we shall see...

I'm sorry but i just don't feel you are fully equipped to have this conversation.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

I'm sorry but i just don't feel you are fully equipped to have this conversation.

pretty funny coming from the guy I had to teach how to determine who has beaten teams with winning records. which is a really fucking simplistic concept. hard to believe harry.

oh and the chiefs have more roster turnover than the eagles from last year.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

I'm sorry but i just don't feel you are fully equipped to have this conversation.

pretty funny coming from the guy I had to teach how to determine who has beaten teams with winning records. which is a really fucking simplistic concept. hard to believe harry.

oh and the chiefs have more roster turnover than the eagles from last year.

did they? they have 8 remaining starters on defense (who has carried them this year). on offense, they have 5 remaining players. like i said back in the off season, he inherited a situation very similiar to what he had when he took over the eagles. and chip kelly kinda has the same thing, only reversed. the difference this year is reid inherited 6 pro bowlers, while he left none behind for kelly to work with.

the chiefs also have benefited from the easiest schedule of any other team in the whole league. half their wins have come against backup qb's. they have gotten more breaks than the eagles. there is absolutely no disputing that. so far they have taken advantage, to their credit. you can keep harping on one error i made, that's fine...you'll do that because you know you can't win the argument as a whole.

regarding the eagles:
-the coaching is clearly much better than it was under andy reid over the last few years (as evidenced by the remaining players performing better and the balanced play calling which plays to the team's strength).
-half of the defense has been turned over and an entirely new system has been put in place, yet they have performed much better than any eagles defense has since jim johnson was roaming the sidelines.

i don't see how any sane person can dispute any of this. then again...

JK_Livin

Let's keep the Mojo going.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

did they? they have 8 remaining starters on defense (who has carried them this year). on offense, they have 5 remaining players. like i said back in the off season, he inherited a situation very similiar to what he had when he took over the eagles. and chip kelly kinda has the same thing, only reversed. the difference this year is reid inherited 6 pro bowlers, while he left none behind for kelly to work with.

the chiefs also have benefited from the easiest schedule of any other team in the whole league. half their wins have come against backup qb's. they have gotten more breaks than the eagles. there is absolutely no disputing that. so far they have taken advantage, to their credit. you can keep harping on one error i made, that's fine...you'll do that because you know you can't win the argument as a whole.

regarding the eagles:
-the coaching is clearly much better than it was under andy reid over the last few years (as evidenced by the remaining players performing better and the balanced play calling which plays to the team's strength).
-half of the defense has been turned over and an entirely new system has been put in place, yet they have performed much better than any eagles defense has since jim johnson was roaming the sidelines.

i don't see how any sane person can dispute any of this. then again...

I'm just disputing your numbers in the returning players/talent department. you constantly say how Reid was given more to work with this year vs. Kelly. the numbers tell the reality vs. the myth.

Chiefs 23 returning players (10 on offense, 10 on defense, 3 special teamers)
Eagles 32 returning players (16 on offense, 14 on defense, 2 special teamers)

as for the Chiefs having 8 returning defensive starters...the eagles have 9 current offensive starters who were on the eagles roster last year

here is an article from early September that talks about the chiefs roster turnover.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1760 ... ck-results

still don't believe it you can figure these numbers how by nfl-reference.com and espn.com. the internet if fantastic for actually finding out facts and it's really not that difficult to find facts.

as I've said before they've done a nice job so far, especially defensively but remember 4/5 of the offensive line missed games including the 2 best offensive linemen and McCoy missed 4.5 games last year as opposed to no missed starts by either the line or McCoy this year. thinking that has a more than small part in some of the success.

as for the chiefs schedule no denying they have played a poor schedule, but they have won the same amount of games against teams with winning records as the Eagles.

those are facts. when the facts don't confirm your opinions you can always just try and put down the person that is giving you the facts.

fuck the snow and beat the Vikes.