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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    The Juggler wrote:
    Apparently the Chiefs have run zero running plays in their first two days of training camp. Hahaha

    Only camp and they were dead last in passing last year, but that's still some funny stuff, especially considering what has been an ongoing discussion in here for years. Thought it was a joke at first.

    can't wait to see how the fan base reacts when they realize chip Kelly is gonna throw the ball as much as reid did (especially since with a lousy defense it's gonna take 30 points a game to win games).
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    always thought McNabb was very under appreciated as a player in this town but yea every time he opens his mouth now he comes off poorly. and I don't believe for one second that jim thome complained about the fans to mcnabb. Donovan might be delusional.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    Apparently the Chiefs have run zero running plays in their first two days of training camp. Hahaha

    Only camp and they were dead last in passing last year, but that's still some funny stuff, especially considering what has been an ongoing discussion in here for years. Thought it was a joke at first.

    can't wait to see how the fan base reacts when they realize chip Kelly is gonna throw the ball as much as reid did (especially since with a lousy defense it's gonna take 30 points a game to win games).
    When your behind you throw the ball. If Chip's losing badly then NO one will complain about passing to much. Chip's Off runs the ball 60-65% from his Oregon days I believe. I'd bet that Chip won't pass the ball at the end of games to kill the clock.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Your coach is a grown man who's name is "Chip". That is all
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Your coach is a grown man who's name is "Chip". That is all
    Your 3rd baseman's contract makes Howards look good.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Your coach is a grown man who's name is "Chip". That is all
    Your 3rd baseman's contract makes Howards look good.

    Not our 3rd baseman for long ;)
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Your coach is a grown man who's name is "Chip". That is all
    Your 3rd baseman's contract makes Howards look good.

    Not our 3rd baseman for long ;)
    He's gonna fight that till the end.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    jamminpearls wrote:
    He's gonna fight that till the end.

    Oh yeah. It's not ending for a long time.

    I'm out. I just needed to talk shit about the Eagles. It happens from time to time.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Your coach is a grown man who's name is "Chip". That is all
    Your 3rd baseman's contract makes Howards look good.

    Nothing makes ryan howards' contract look good. You're wrong as usual


    It may surprise no one that the 2013 Philadelphia Phillies are not where they hoped to be in the win-loss column. After a disappointing 81-81 record in 2012, the worst finish for the Phillies in a decade, the hope was that even a past-prime dynasty could retool enough to squeeze another few solid seasons on the backs of an aging core. The team's TV contract with Comcast expires after the 2015 season, so the front office had an obvious incentive to keep the team together in the hope of cash practically falling out of the sky, as the Los Angeles Dodgers have experienced with their new TV contract.

    Alas, it was not meant to be. The Phillies have continued their downward trajectory, and though they're only a few games behind the Washington Nationals, that's mainly because Washington has underperformed expectations, not due to any second wind similar to the one the Boston Red Sox are experiencing this season.

    In the middle of a second frustrating season, it's not surprising to see fingers being pointed. Most notable among them has been team general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. calling out Ryan Howard's performance, telling 94 WIP in Philadelphia in a pregame show last week that "if Howard is now relegated to being a platoon player, he's a very expensive platoon player and needs to do better … right now, he's just not doing his job."

    Given Howard's .266/.319/.465 line this season with typically mediocre defense, it would take some special delusion to think that he's been doing his job, but how much blame can we really put on Howard? How much was Howard really underperforming reasonable expectations before the recent news that he'll miss six to eight weeks with a meniscus tear?

    To get a feel for this, I went back and asked the ZiPS projection system to project Howard's 2013 season from the point his five-year, $125 million contract was signed in April 2010 and before each successive season, with knowledge included of the large drop off in run scoring across both leagues (Howard can hardly be faulted for that).

    Cheer up, Alex. Your crazy contract isn't as bad as Ryan Howard's.
    Despite coming off a solid offensive season in 2009 (.279/.360/.571, OPS+ of 141), ZiPS was not optimistic at the time. ZiPS doesn't project a lumbering slugger the same way it projects a speedy middle infielder, using large groups of similar-type players in history to make an estimate. Howard's top comps are not a pretty group -- Carlos Pena, Richie Sexson, Greg Luzinski, Jim Gentile, Mo Vaughn and Cecil Fielder were the top six on the list -- and these are all players who aged poorly. The Howard deal started for his age-32 season and none of those six sluggers had a 3-WAR season at any point at age 32 or later.

    The top six comps being flops in their 30s was no fluke, either. If you look at the top 15 comps, only Jim Thome was a star in his 30s. Otherwise, it's an encyclopedia of short-career sluggers, from Rudy York to Dick Stuart to Greg Vaughn.

    In a 2013 Philadelphia environment, ZiPS projected Howard's 2013 season at .243/.333/.487 when his deal was signed, a little less batting average and a little more power than his current line, but not a dramatic difference and certainly not super-stardom. Before the 2011 season, the 2013 projection had dropped to .241/.325/.472; fast-forward another year and his 2013 projection was .246/.328/.476; and before this season, he was projected to hit .242/.325/.463.

    In other words, Howard's 2013 performance is not a nasty surprise, but exactly what you would expect from a one-dimensional slugger in his early 30s in the middle of a normal decline phase for a player of his type.

    At this point, ZiPS projects the contract to be essentially a total loss for the Phillies, with Howard only projected at 5.0 total WAR over the course of the contract (and assuming the $10 million buyout is taken for the final year). That's equivalent to a $94 million loss, a worse projected return than even the A-Rod contract, a deal that the Yankees find daily reason to regret, which ZiPS projects as an $88 million loss. (For the record: ZiPS still holds out some hope for Albert Pujols, projecting his contract as only a $90 million loss.)

    If the Phillies are going to do in 2014 what the Red Sox have done in 2013 and have their own renaissance, it's going to require a drastic change in organizational thinking -- and it's going to require plenty of cash. If such a change is to happen, moving on from the executive who got the Phillies into this position -- and continues to not show an understanding of either the position the Phillies are in or how they arrived there -- is a good place to start. If the Howard injury doesn't give the Phillies a ready-made PR excuse to start selling, something's rotten in the city of Philadelphia.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Head meet wall and repeat :roll:
    Go Birds!!!!
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    No Ryan Howard contract talk in here please.

    The Eagles have sold out tix for the practice on Sunday 55,000 :shock: Lehigh, Lewho?
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    JK_Livin wrote:
    No Ryan Howard contract talk in here please.

    The Eagles have sold out tix for the practice on Sunday 55,000 :shock: Lehigh, Lewho?
    It was brought up in a normal convo and joked about. But of course someone not involved in the convo, started YET again with insults. :nono:
    Go Birds!!!!
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    jamminpearls wrote:
    JK_Livin wrote:
    No Ryan Howard contract talk in here please.

    The Eagles have sold out tix for the practice on Sunday 55,000 :shock: Lehigh, Lewho?
    It was brought up in a normal convo and joked about. But of course someone not involved in the convo, started YET again with insults. :nono:

    You can't give Fixer even a little crack to enter when discussing Howard. :D
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    JK_Livin wrote:
    No Ryan Howard contract talk in here please.

    The Eagles have sold out tix for the practice on Sunday 55,000 :shock: Lehigh, Lewho?

    weren't they free tickets? either way nuts that 55,000 would go for a practice
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    You can't give Fixer even a little crack to enter when discussing Howard.

    Did you see the convo?
    Go Birds!!!!
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    pjhawks wrote:
    JK_Livin wrote:
    No Ryan Howard contract talk in here please.

    The Eagles have sold out tix for the practice on Sunday 55,000 :shock: Lehigh, Lewho?

    weren't they free tickets? either way nuts that 55,000 would go for a practice

    You are correct, they are free tix.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    jamminpearls wrote:
    You can't give Fixer even a little crack to enter when discussing Howard.

    Did you see the convo?
    Yes I did. I understand.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    JK_Livin wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    You can't give Fixer even a little crack to enter when discussing Howard.

    Did you see the convo?
    Yes I did. I understand.
    I disagree alot with Pjhawks. But I don't insult the dude because i'm not 16.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    i'll never understand why people care what people like mcbabb say all the time. he's a dopey guy, always has been. he really should have stepped away from the limelight for a couple years before jumping into broadcasting but...who cares?



    horrible break for j mac yesterday. wasn't even touched. contract year. cost himself millions. fucking sucks.
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  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    http://deadspin.com/eagles-wr-riley-coo ... -979470075

    :corn:

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