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JK_Livin

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The Juggler

JK_Livin wrote:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/48811/possible-clues-about-the-eagles-defense

love this article.

b graham as the Predator!

rick1zoo2

Vick for one more year

jamminpearls

rick1zoo2 wrote:

Vick for one more year

Strike 1. I can't deal with #7 for another year.

The Juggler

i seriously think a friend of mine is plotting to blow up the linc over this.


i think we all wanted a clean break from the andy reid era...but i still think there's a good chance he gets traded before september though.


one hell of an interesting off season is upon us.

JK_Livin

His base for '13 is around 3.5 so he's much easier to trade than before. It's still February, this team will look a lot different after FA and the draft. Once the new coaches look at a the tape of the players on this roster, there will be an overhaul.

The Juggler

JK_Livin wrote:

His base for '13 is around 3.5 so he's much easier to trade than before. It's still February, this team will look a lot different after FA and the draft. Once the new coaches look at a the tape of the players on this roster, there will be an overhaul.

i believe it's 7M with his signing bonus. still a very tradeable number for a team that suffers a qb injury during training camp or something. i assume we'll hear nothing but good things from the eagles regarding vick from now till then. so prepare yourselves.

for the record, i'm not for bringing him back. i wanted a clean break from the reid era....but it will be a bit interesting to see how he plays with an offense that runs the ball a lot more. vick is not a guy you want throwing 65% of the time. reid rarely put him in positions to succeed.

The Juggler

think we can all agree on this tom gamble signing being a good one. looks like he certainly did a solid job in san fran.

now we got somebody with a football pedigree checking roseman in the front office. lord knows we needed that. guy's got a ton of experience.

good move.

JK_Livin

The Juggler wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

His base for '13 is around 3.5 so he's much easier to trade than before. It's still February, this team will look a lot different after FA and the draft. Once the new coaches look at a the tape of the players on this roster, there will be an overhaul.

i believe it's 7M with his signing bonus. still a very tradeable number for a team that suffers a qb injury during training camp or something. i assume we'll hear nothing but good things from the eagles regarding vick from now till then. so prepare yourselves.

for the record, i'm not for bringing him back. i wanted a clean break from the reid era....but it will be a bit interesting to see how he plays with an offense that runs the ball a lot more. vick is not a guy you want throwing 65% of the time. reid rarely put him in positions to succeed.

I know it's 7m with bonus but when trading, I'm pretty sure the bonus isn't included in tradeable salary. I wouldn't be shocked if after a couple minicamps Vick is gone.

JK_Livin

So Nnamdi ate his lunch in his car for some "Me" time. He could've let the team know he was leaving games for lunch.

The Fixer

JK_Livin wrote:

Whomever is responsible for having all the Philly threads closed, please stop.

I'm not gonna name names, but there is one person here who loves to run and tell on people

As for this offseason...I don't like any moves they have made other than bringing gamble in. Vick, a college coach with no nfl pedigree, and a bunch of browns coaches doesn't instill much confidence. As for the player personnel stuff (outside of vick, who we all know sucks), I am going to give them a pass because we don't know what systems they are implementing on either side of the ball....plus the offseason is far from complete.

The draft should be fascinating. I keep hearing EJ Manuel's name, which makes me shake my head since he stinks. anyone have any preferences at the 4 spot?

I hope nnamdi gets cut. I do agree with juggler...get rid of most of the reid era guys and completely start over.

I'm really trying to go into the kelly era with an open mind. Based on what I've seen and what I know about kelly, it's tough for me not to be apprehensive. hopefully the remainder of the offseason leads to better things

JK_Livin

The Fixer wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

Whomever is responsible for having all the Philly threads closed, please stop.

I'm not gonna name names, but there is one person here who loves to run and tell on people

As for this offseason...I don't like any moves they have made other than bringing gamble in. Vick, a college coach with no nfl pedigree, and a bunch of browns coaches doesn't instill much confidence. As for the player personnel stuff (outside of vick, who we all know sucks), I am going to give them a pass because we don't know what systems they are implementing on either side of the ball....plus the offseason is far from complete.

The draft should be fascinating. I keep hearing EJ Manuel's name, which makes me shake my head since he stinks. anyone have any preferences at the 4 spot?

I hope nnamdi gets cut. I do agree with juggler...get rid of most of the reid era guys and completely start over.

I'm really trying to go into the kelly era with an open mind. Based on what I've seen and what I know about kelly, it's tough for me not to be apprehensive. hopefully the remainder of the offseason leads to better things

Hey, the Browns should've beaten us last year. Remember that dropped INT right in their LB's gut. If we only lost that game, we may have gone winless.

I can't and won't really comment on the draft until after FA.

The Fixer

JK_Livin wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

Whomever is responsible for having all the Philly threads closed, please stop.

I'm not gonna name names, but there is one person here who loves to run and tell on people

As for this offseason...I don't like any moves they have made other than bringing gamble in. Vick, a college coach with no nfl pedigree, and a bunch of browns coaches doesn't instill much confidence. As for the player personnel stuff (outside of vick, who we all know sucks), I am going to give them a pass because we don't know what systems they are implementing on either side of the ball....plus the offseason is far from complete.

The draft should be fascinating. I keep hearing EJ Manuel's name, which makes me shake my head since he stinks. anyone have any preferences at the 4 spot?

I hope nnamdi gets cut. I do agree with juggler...get rid of most of the reid era guys and completely start over.

I'm really trying to go into the kelly era with an open mind. Based on what I've seen and what I know about kelly, it's tough for me not to be apprehensive. hopefully the remainder of the offseason leads to better things

Hey, the Browns should've beaten us last year. Remember that dropped INT right in their LB's gut. If we only lost that game, we may have gone winless.

I can't and won't really comment on the draft until after FA.

Yep. The browns dropped about six picks that game. If someone asked me to summarize vick as a qb I would give them the game tape of that browns game...just ignore the fact that the eagles won the game.

kelly keeping him around really is the worst case scenario. ugh

The Juggler

wouldn't mind taking a look at sean smith...

http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/03 ... ee-agency/
A Look At the Eagles’ CB Options In Free Agency
Posted by Sheil Kapadia on March 1, 2013 at 11:01 am | 28 Comments


When the Eagles are officially able to start adding players on March 12, rebuilding an underachieving secondary will be near the top of their list of priorities.

The draft will be critical, especially this year with a deep group of safeties and several starting-caliber corners. But that doesn’t mean Howie Roseman is just going to sit on the sidelines and observe during free agency. This is not an either/or situation. The Eagles have money to spend and holes to fill. They will likely address the secondary in free agency and the draft.

Keeping that in mind, who are their options at cornerback? It seems probable that they’ll just let Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie walk, and Nnamdi Asomugha too, unless they agree to a re-structured contract.

Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com recently put out a list of the top 85 free agents, and it includes 12 cornerbacks. Below is a table with all 12, including age, height, weight and career games started.
Age Ht. Wt. Games Started
Sean Smith, MIA 25 6-3 218 56
Brent Grimes, ATL 29 5-10 183 43
Aqib Talib, NE 27 6-1 205 50
Chris Houston, DET 28 5-11 178 78
Keenan Lewis, PIT 26 6-0 208 17
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, PHI 26 6-2 182 54
Derek Cox, JAX 26 6-1 195 45
Adam Jones, CIN 29 5-10 189 47
Cary Williams, BAL 28 6-1 190 33
Bradley Fletcher, STL 26 6-0 200 26
Antoine Cason, SD 26 6-1 195 49
Mike Jenkins, DAL 27 5-10 198 48

Rosenthal has different categories for the free agents. Under Solid starters, he has Smith (22nd overall), Grimes (23rd), Talib (24th), Houston (27th) and Lewis (28th).

The Eagles reportedly will have some interest in Smith at the right price. He’s been inconsistent, but has good size, is young and has upside. Grimes, meanwhile, is coming off a torn Achilles’ and could sign a one-year deal. The Philadelphia native could be a “band-aid” option for 2013.

Talib has had share of off-the-field issues. Given the locker room problems the Eagles had last year, he doesn’t make much sense for this team. Houston is the most-experienced of the group and is only 28. Lewis is an intriguing name. He’s only been a full-time starter for one full season, has good size and is 26. Rosenthal called him the Steelers’ “best cover corner” last season.

The next group are Starters with questions, and that has Rodgers-Cromartie (38th) and Cox (53rd). The funny thing about DRC is he’s the classic “looks great on paper” player. He’s young, has size and speed, and has been to a Pro Bowl. Yet we know from watching him last year that he shies away from contact, is a horrible tackler and gets beat too often for someone with his skill set.

Cox, meanwhile, is another interesting name. He has good size, good experience and is only 26. But Cox has had trouble staying healthy. He missed four games last season because of hamstring and back issues. And Cox has missed 17 games the past three seasons due to injury.

In the Effective in the right role category, Rosenthal has Jones (56th), Williams (59th), Fletcher (61st), Cason (70th) and Jenkins (74th). Williams started 16 games last season for the Super Bowl champs, but is not considered a top-tier option. Cason is a former first-round pick, who is young and has good size. Fletcher is only 26, but has started just eight games the past two seasons. Jones (turns 30 in September) and Jenkins (not very good anymore) don’t seem like great options.

Here are performance numbers from last year, courtesy of Pro Football Focus:

Targets Completion % TDs INTs QB Rating
Sean Smith, MIA 113 54.9% 6 2 85.1
Brent Grimes, ATL (2012) 56 44.6% 2 1 62.9
Aqib Talib, NE 80 65.0% 3 2 98.7
Chris Houston, DET 94 56.4% 3 2 78.7
Keenan Lewis, PIT 112 52.7% 3 0 80.7
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, PHI 81 56.8% 5 3 87.7
Derek Cox, JAX 89 60.7% 1 4 69.0
Adam Jones, CIN 69 53.6% 2 0 81.9
Cary Williams, BAL 135 64.4% 7 6 89.1
Bradley Fletcher, STL 34 47.1% 1 1 55.8
Antoine Cason, SD 97 67.0% 5 2 98.0
Mike Jenkins, DAL 27 63.0% 1 0 101.6

Some things that stand out:

* Smith had a good opponents’ completion percentage (54.9) and missed just four tackles all season, but only four corners allowed more touchdowns last season.

* Grimes’ numbers are from 2011 since he was injured last season.

* Houston’s charting numbers were really good in 2011 too. Football Outsiders measures success rate: the percentage of passes that don’t manage to get at least 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent of needed yards on second down, or 100 percent of needed yards on third down. Houston had a success rate of 60 percent in 2011, which ranked 18th in the NFL.

* Lewis led the league with 16 passes defensed, but also had eight penalties last season (tied for seventh-most).

* Cox only played six games in 2011, but had a spectacular success rate (74 percent). It was good in 2010 also (53 percent). On the flip side, he missed 15 tackles last season, per PFF, third-most among all cornerbacks.

* A couple other names that did not make Rosenthal’s list: Greg Toler and E.J. Biggers. Toler (6-0, 192) is 28 and has spent his career with the Arizona Cardinals. But he’s only started two games the past two seasons. Biggers (6-0, 185) is 25 and has played four seasons in Tampa.

* As you can see, there are quite a few young cornerbacks with good physical tools on the market. The Eagles aren’t going to make the splash they did before the 2011 season, but look for them to pursue at least one of the defensive backs on the list above.
- See more at: http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/03 ... 0dCYo.dpuf

jamminpearls

The Juggler wrote:

wouldn't mind taking a look at sean smith...

http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/03 ... ee-agency/
A Look At the Eagles’ CB Options In Free Agency
Posted by Sheil Kapadia on March 1, 2013 at 11:01 am | 28 Comments


When the Eagles are officially able to start adding players on March 12, rebuilding an underachieving secondary will be near the top of their list of priorities.

The draft will be critical, especially this year with a deep group of safeties and several starting-caliber corners. But that doesn’t mean Howie Roseman is just going to sit on the sidelines and observe during free agency. This is not an either/or situation. The Eagles have money to spend and holes to fill. They will likely address the secondary in free agency and the draft.

Keeping that in mind, who are their options at cornerback? It seems probable that they’ll just let Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie walk, and Nnamdi Asomugha too, unless they agree to a re-structured contract.

Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com recently put out a list of the top 85 free agents, and it includes 12 cornerbacks. Below is a table with all 12, including age, height, weight and career games started.
Age Ht. Wt. Games Started
Sean Smith, MIA 25 6-3 218 56
Brent Grimes, ATL 29 5-10 183 43
Aqib Talib, NE 27 6-1 205 50
Chris Houston, DET 28 5-11 178 78
Keenan Lewis, PIT 26 6-0 208 17
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, PHI 26 6-2 182 54
Derek Cox, JAX 26 6-1 195 45
Adam Jones, CIN 29 5-10 189 47
Cary Williams, BAL 28 6-1 190 33
Bradley Fletcher, STL 26 6-0 200 26
Antoine Cason, SD 26 6-1 195 49
Mike Jenkins, DAL 27 5-10 198 48

Rosenthal has different categories for the free agents. Under Solid starters, he has Smith (22nd overall), Grimes (23rd), Talib (24th), Houston (27th) and Lewis (28th).

The Eagles reportedly will have some interest in Smith at the right price. He’s been inconsistent, but has good size, is young and has upside. Grimes, meanwhile, is coming off a torn Achilles’ and could sign a one-year deal. The Philadelphia native could be a “band-aid” option for 2013.

Talib has had share of off-the-field issues. Given the locker room problems the Eagles had last year, he doesn’t make much sense for this team. Houston is the most-experienced of the group and is only 28. Lewis is an intriguing name. He’s only been a full-time starter for one full season, has good size and is 26. Rosenthal called him the Steelers’ “best cover corner” last season.

The next group are Starters with questions, and that has Rodgers-Cromartie (38th) and Cox (53rd). The funny thing about DRC is he’s the classic “looks great on paper” player. He’s young, has size and speed, and has been to a Pro Bowl. Yet we know from watching him last year that he shies away from contact, is a horrible tackler and gets beat too often for someone with his skill set.

Cox, meanwhile, is another interesting name. He has good size, good experience and is only 26. But Cox has had trouble staying healthy. He missed four games last season because of hamstring and back issues. And Cox has missed 17 games the past three seasons due to injury.

In the Effective in the right role category, Rosenthal has Jones (56th), Williams (59th), Fletcher (61st), Cason (70th) and Jenkins (74th). Williams started 16 games last season for the Super Bowl champs, but is not considered a top-tier option. Cason is a former first-round pick, who is young and has good size. Fletcher is only 26, but has started just eight games the past two seasons. Jones (turns 30 in September) and Jenkins (not very good anymore) don’t seem like great options.

Here are performance numbers from last year, courtesy of Pro Football Focus:

Targets Completion % TDs INTs QB Rating
Sean Smith, MIA 113 54.9% 6 2 85.1
Brent Grimes, ATL (2012) 56 44.6% 2 1 62.9
Aqib Talib, NE 80 65.0% 3 2 98.7
Chris Houston, DET 94 56.4% 3 2 78.7
Keenan Lewis, PIT 112 52.7% 3 0 80.7
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, PHI 81 56.8% 5 3 87.7
Derek Cox, JAX 89 60.7% 1 4 69.0
Adam Jones, CIN 69 53.6% 2 0 81.9
Cary Williams, BAL 135 64.4% 7 6 89.1
Bradley Fletcher, STL 34 47.1% 1 1 55.8
Antoine Cason, SD 97 67.0% 5 2 98.0
Mike Jenkins, DAL 27 63.0% 1 0 101.6

Some things that stand out:

* Smith had a good opponents’ completion percentage (54.9) and missed just four tackles all season, but only four corners allowed more touchdowns last season.

* Grimes’ numbers are from 2011 since he was injured last season.

* Houston’s charting numbers were really good in 2011 too. Football Outsiders measures success rate: the percentage of passes that don’t manage to get at least 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent of needed yards on second down, or 100 percent of needed yards on third down. Houston had a success rate of 60 percent in 2011, which ranked 18th in the NFL.

* Lewis led the league with 16 passes defensed, but also had eight penalties last season (tied for seventh-most).

* Cox only played six games in 2011, but had a spectacular success rate (74 percent). It was good in 2010 also (53 percent). On the flip side, he missed 15 tackles last season, per PFF, third-most among all cornerbacks.

* A couple other names that did not make Rosenthal’s list: Greg Toler and E.J. Biggers. Toler (6-0, 192) is 28 and has spent his career with the Arizona Cardinals. But he’s only started two games the past two seasons. Biggers (6-0, 185) is 25 and has played four seasons in Tampa.

* As you can see, there are quite a few young cornerbacks with good physical tools on the market. The Eagles aren’t going to make the splash they did before the 2011 season, but look for them to pursue at least one of the defensive backs on the list above.
- See more at: http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/03 ... 0dCYo.dpuf

The dude got burnt a lot this year from what i was told. Not sure we need another over paid cb. There's gotta be a reason why Mia hasn't resigned him yet.

JK_Livin

http://fishduck.com/2013/03/why-chip-ke ... ladelphia/

An interesting article.

The Fixer

JK_Livin wrote:

http://fishduck.com/2013/03/why-chip-kelly-will-win-super-bowls-at-philadelphia/

An interesting article.

bunch of homer crap

oregon lost to an inferior opponent just last year -- at home too. I guess the author conveniently forgot about that game

JK_Livin

The Fixer wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

http://fishduck.com/2013/03/why-chip-kelly-will-win-super-bowls-at-philadelphia/

An interesting article.

bunch of homer crap

oregon lost to an inferior opponent just last year -- at home too. I guess the author conveniently forgot about that game

and if the article stated the opposite and bashed everything he did there, would you call the writer bitter?

The Fixer

JK_Livin wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

http://fishduck.com/2013/03/why-chip-kelly-will-win-super-bowls-at-philadelphia/

An interesting article.

bunch of homer crap

oregon lost to an inferior opponent just last year -- at home too. I guess the author conveniently forgot about that game

and if the article stated the opposite and bashed everything he did there, would you call the writer bitter?

yep. he had success while at oregon, so that wouldn't make much sense.

sorry, I don't enjoy hyperbole

JK_Livin

Correct, he had success. Was he supposed to write about how everything Chip did, did not work?