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pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

let's not rewrite history here. the first 5 years of reid were good (great would entail not losing 4 of 5 championship games)

the last 8 or so were mediocre....much like the eagles have been for much of our lives. everyone is aware of this. hopefully the next 8 are better.

it will be another 25 years before the eagles are in their 5th conference championship since the reid era. but yea it was just good :roll: :fp:

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

because of press conferences

this is one reason why I don't like eagles fans

huh? dude, he came off as likeable. from a distance he always seemed sort of like a dick to me. this has nothing to do with him as a coach.

press conferences? it's the same thing everywhere (just look in the bears thread). i think you make a much bigger deal about people making a fuss over them than the actual fuss. there were 1 or 2 nondescript posts about it in here.

it's not the same everywhere. just look at bill belichicks' pressers...he says less than reid.

philly fans are morons. they loved (and still love) buddy ryan because he talked a lot of shit, even though he was a jack ass who couldn't even win a playoff game.

it is the same everywhere. and you're talking about people's reactions to them, not the actual press conference.

they liked buddy's personality more than reid. they thought reid was a better head coach. most everyone in this area accepts that. i have not met one who doesn't. you need to attend a psychology class or something. you clearly have a hard time understanding people.


also, you just called yourself a moron.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

let's not rewrite history here. the first 5 years of reid were good (great would entail not losing 4 of 5 championship games)

the last 8 or so were mediocre....much like the eagles have been for much of our lives. everyone is aware of this. hopefully the next 8 are better.

it will be another 25 years before the eagles are in their 5th conference championship since the reid era. but yea it was just good :roll: :fp:

what do you consider great?

there's nothing great about not winning a championship.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

let's not rewrite history here. the first 5 years of reid were good (great would entail not losing 4 of 5 championship games)

the last 8 or so were mediocre....much like the eagles have been for much of our lives. everyone is aware of this. hopefully the next 8 are better.

it will be another 25 years before the eagles are in their 5th conference championship since the reid era. but yea it was just good :roll: :fp:

what do you consider great?

there's nothing great about not winning a championship.

so if the Ravens don't beat the 49ers John Harbaugh's run there hasn't been great? :fp: :fp:

tony gonzalez wasn't great? :fp: :fp:

dan marino wasn't great? :fp: :fp:

The Juggler

boy, that is a lot of emoticons. good job there....

it's subjective. i look at reid's career here the same way i look at donovan's here: good. not great.

i guess you think it's great considering how poor this franchise has been since 1960 though.

but the pats made it about as far as reid did in his best years. i doubt they would consider this a great year for them.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

it's subjective. i look at reid's career here the same way i look at donovan's here: good. not great.

i guess you think it's great considering how poor this franchise has been since 1960 though.

but the pats made it about as far as reid did in his best years. i doubt they would consider this a great year for them.

oh you mean the lance armstrong of the NFL isn't happy with this season. hasn't won a title since being caught cheating...even with one of the best QBs of all time. fraud??? looks more like it every year.

but seriously you don't think Dan Marino and Tony Gonzalez weren't great because they didn't win a title

and i think Donovan had a few years run as a great QB. if at anytime in your career you are considered one of the top 4 or 5 QBs in the NFL you were great. and at the time he was considered at that level for a few years.

i think people seriously underestimate how difficult it is to win a Championship. so many factors go into
play (like maybe not going up aginst a cheating sob) to winning one including luck and frankly which seasons you are great in. some teams get easier paths (see billick, brian) and some tougher. It's like Philly fans think you can snap your fingers and get one. which boggles the mind since we've only won one in 29 fucking years in 4 sports.

was Mike Keenan not a great coach for the Flyers because he didn't win a title here?

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

it's subjective. i look at reid's career here the same way i look at donovan's here: good. not great.

i guess you think it's great considering how poor this franchise has been since 1960 though.

but the pats made it about as far as reid did in his best years. i doubt they would consider this a great year for them.

oh you mean the lance armstrong of the NFL isn't happy with this season. hasn't won a title since being caught cheating...even with one of the best QBs of all time. fraud??? looks more like it every year.

but seriously you don't think Dan Marino and Tony Gonzalez weren't great because they didn't win a title?

i think people seriously underestimate how difficult it is to win a Championship. so many factors go into play (like maybe not going up aginst a cheating sob) to winning one including luck and frankly which seasons you are great in. some teams get easier paths (see billick, brian) and some tougher. It's like Philly fans think you can snap your fingers and get one. which boggles the mind since we've only won one in 29 fucking years in 4 sports.

marino and gonzalez are hall of famers. andy reid is not. i'm not sure how the former coach of the eagles compares to these two players. :? the pats season compares favorably with reid's best. they do not consider it great up there. i doubt they look at it as good. their bar is just higher than ours.

since you brought it up, the nfc--especially the nfc east was garbage back when reid was losing in nfc championship games. you like to say how billick's road was easy, reid's was just as easy but he failed to take advantage of it. he inherited a very solid defensive core who carried his team for 4 or 5 years, he got a franchise qb with the 2nd pick in the draft and surrounded him with below average wide receivers. this was none more evident than in the 03 championship game when they couldn't even get off the line.

reid was good. i will give you very good overall for about 5 seasons. we're talking 8 years ago. he has since given us mediocre football capped off by a disastrous 4-12 season. one of the worst we have ever seen around here.

i'm sorry but you can't rewrite history man.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

it's subjective. i look at reid's career here the same way i look at donovan's here: good. not great.

i guess you think it's great considering how poor this franchise has been since 1960 though.

but the pats made it about as far as reid did in his best years. i doubt they would consider this a great year for them.

oh you mean the lance armstrong of the NFL isn't happy with this season. hasn't won a title since being caught cheating...even with one of the best QBs of all time. fraud??? looks more like it every year.

but seriously you don't think Dan Marino and Tony Gonzalez weren't great because they didn't win a title?

i think people seriously underestimate how difficult it is to win a Championship. so many factors go into play (like maybe not going up aginst a cheating sob) to winning one including luck and frankly which seasons you are great in. some teams get easier paths (see billick, brian) and some tougher. It's like Philly fans think you can snap your fingers and get one. which boggles the mind since we've only won one in 29 fucking years in 4 sports.

marino and gonzalez are hall of famers. andy reid is not. i'm not sure how the former coach of the eagles compares to these two players. :? the pats season compares favorably with reid's best. they do not consider it great up there. i doubt they look at it as good. their bar is just higher than ours.

since you brought it up, the nfc--especially the nfc east was garbage back when reid was losing in nfc championship games. you like to say how billick's road was easy, reid's was just as easy but he failed to take advantage of it. he inherited a very solid defensive core who carried his team for 4 or 5 years, he got a franchise qb with the 2nd pick in the draft and surrounded him with below average wide receivers. this was none more evident than in the 03 championship game when they couldn't even get off the line.

reid was good. i will give you very good overall for about 5 seasons. we're talking 8 years ago. he has since given us mediocre football capped off by a disastrous 4-12 season. one of the worst we have ever seen around here.

can't rewrite history man.

was Mike Keenan not a great coach for the Flyers because he didn't win a title here?

and do you consider charlie manual great because he won a title? i sure as hell don't.

those two names should give you pause on having to win a championship to be considered great. one did one the best coaches jobs in Philly sports history and didn't win a championship here and was 1000x the coach ole charlie is. But charlie has a title.

The Juggler

you're asking the wrong guy. i know nothing about hockey. i think he won a stanely cup though.

The Juggler

the problem you have is you are living in the past. all of these supposedly great seasons he had while losing nfc championship games occurred in george bush's 1st term. whether you call them great or very good, they are in the DISTANT past. obama is being sworn in for the 2nd time today.

it's like looking at a baseball player's career average instead of what he's done in the most recent 3 or 4 years.

these last 8 years have been rough man. and were capped off by one of the worst seasons we have ever seen from the eagles.

gotta hope for better.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

it's like looking at a baseball player's career average instead of what he's done in the most recent 3 or 4 years.

which is, you know. how a career is defined and how people actually, you know become hall of famers. no one looks at just the last few years. that's the most absurd premise you've ever put forward dude. :fp:

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

it's like looking at a baseball player's career average instead of what he's done in the most recent 3 or 4 years.

which is, you know. how a career is defined and how people actually, you know become hall of famers. no one looks at just the last few years. that's the most absurd premise you've ever put forward dude. :fp:

that's not the point. if you look at his career as a whole, yeah, it's been good. very good. nobody denies that.

but you keep harping on the whole 14 year thing when comparing it to chip kelly. the last 8 years are what is fresh in people's minds. that is almost a decade of mediocre football capped off by an epic failure. this is what we're hoping the new regime turns around.....and, eventually, if chip starts losing in championship games like reid did so many years ago without winning the super bowl, then yes--we will look back and say he was a good coach who inherited poop, turned it around, and ultimately left us an unsatisfied frustrated bunch. just like we are now.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

it's like looking at a baseball player's career average instead of what he's done in the most recent 3 or 4 years.

which is, you know. how a career is defined and how people actually, you know become hall of famers. no one looks at just the last few years. that's the most absurd premise you've ever put forward dude. :fp:

that's not the point. if you look at his career as a whole, yeah, it's been good. very good. nobody denies that.

so what you wrote wasn't your point??? um ok. thanks for playing then. i'm done.

JK_Livin

Rick Minter as LB coach. I'm going to have to look this guy up.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

which is, you know. how a career is defined and how people actually, you know become hall of famers. no one looks at just the last few years. that's the most absurd premise you've ever put forward dude. :fp:

that's not the point. if you look at his career as a whole, yeah, it's been good. very good. nobody denies that.

but you keep harping on the whole 14 year thing when comparing it to chip kelly. the last 8 years are what is fresh in people's minds. that is almost a decade of mediocre football capped off by an epic failure. this is what we're hoping the new regime turns around.....and, eventually, if chip starts losing in championship games like reid did so many years ago without winning the super bowl, then yes--we will look back and say he was a good coach who inherited poop, turned it around, and ultimately left us an unsatisfied frustrated bunch. just like we are now

so what you wrote wasn't your point??? um ok. thanks for playing then. i'm done.

funny. but, no. you missed the point like usual.

you and the other reid apologist are two peas in a pod. you talk about reid's 14 years in such glowing fashion, yet always leave out the fact that the majority of his success came prior to 2005 (when the nfc was much weaker than it is now). he has been an average coach since then. for almost a decade the guy averaged 8 wins and capped it off with a 4-12 epic disaster of kotitian proportions (hyperbole--but i don't care. this year was a disaster). this is the mess he left us with. this is what chip kelly has to rebuild and this is what he has to improve upon.

if he ends up having a similiar kind of success that reid enjoyed back around when 9/11 happened and when we were led to believe iraq had weapons of mass destruction (yeah it was that long ago) then that will be awesome....however, it will also not be good enough.

The Juggler

JK_Livin wrote:

Rick Minter as LB coach. I'm going to have to look this guy up.

former kentucky dc apparently....looks like herrman withdrew his name from dc consideration:

http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/01 ... dc-search/

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

if he ends up having a similiar kind of success that reid enjoyed back around when 9/11 happened and when we were led to believe iraq had weapons of mass destruction (yeah it was that long ago) then that will be awesome....however, it will also not be good enough.

not to agree with that other guy but how can you be so hard line that success ONLY is a Super Bowl Title for the Eagles but so lenient towards the Phils and Sixers not winning titles? I'd love to hear your answer for that.

The odds of Chip Kelly winning 7 Division Titles, making playoff appearances in 9 seasons, Winning at least one playoff game in 7 different seasons, going to 5 NFC Championship games including 1 Super Bowl appearance in the next 14 years is closer to Zero than it is to even 1%. It ain't gonna happen buddy. and I think if you sit back from your hatred for Andy even you'd realize that.

Now I hope like hell Chipper can get one magical season together like Charlie Manuel did and win a title. I'd take bad years around that to win a title in a heartbeat but this franchise has never won one and the city, with 4 sports teams, has won one title since Reagan's 2nd term and the Cold War...Ronald fucking Reagan and the Cold fucking War. and we are demanding titles to define success? in Philadelphia. Really?

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

if he ends up having a similiar kind of success that reid enjoyed back around when 9/11 happened and when we were led to believe iraq had weapons of mass destruction (yeah it was that long ago) then that will be awesome....however, it will also not be good enough.

not to agree with that other guy but how can you be so hard line that success ONLY is a Super Bowl Title for the Eagles but so lenient towards the Phils and Sixers not winning titles? I'd love to hear your answer for that.

The odds of Chip Kelly winning 7 Division Titles, making playoff appearances in 9 seasons, Winning at least one playoff game in 7 different seasons, going to 5 NFC Championship games including 1 Super Bowl appearance in the next 14 years is closer to Zero than it is to even 1%. It ain't gonna happen buddy. and I think if you sit back from your hatred for Andy even you'd realize that.

Now I hope like hell Chipper can get one magical season together like Charlie Manuel did and win a title. I'd take bad years around that to win a title in a heartbeat but this franchise has never won one and the city, with 4 sports teams, has won one title since Reagan's 2nd term and the Cold War...Ronald fucking Reagan and the Cold fucking War. and we are demanding titles to define success? in Philadelphia. Really?

the first part of this doesn't make sense. the phillies won a title 4 years ago. they capitalized on their opportunity. the sixers have been a miserable franchise for most of the last 3 decades.

reid has averaged 8 wins a game for most of the last decade. that is the definition of average. he had a good amount of success back when bush was in his first term and the nfc was considered much weaker than it is now. but for most of the last decade he drafted poorly, assembled a dysfunctional coaching staff, whiffed on a bunch of free agents, and left this franchise in shambles. this is what chip kelly needs to rebuild. if he ends up having the same sort of success reid had 10 years ago, awesome. but it will still not be good enough.

i don't hate andy reid. i like him. he just stayed here about 3 years too long.

it seems like you have a losers mentality.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

it seems like you have a losers mentality.

i just define winning differently. by your standand only 1 team is successful each season. you clearly think one of the Harbaugh's is gonna be a loser this year. 99% of the rest of the world that disagrees with you.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

it seems like you have a losers mentality.

i just define winning differently. by your standand only 1 team is successful each season. you clearly think one of the Harbaugh's is gonna be a loser this year. 99% of the rest of the world that disagrees with you.

no that's not what i think. at all how many times today have i said andy reid had a good amount of success about a decade ago?

the last 8 years of the andy reid era has been mediocre. 8 wins a year in a 16 game season is the definition of mediocre. i'm tired of having an average football team.