We Need More Rights For Prisoners

Hugh Freaking Dillon

adropinthepark wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

adropinthepark wrote:

Is it compassion we're showing when we hope criminals go through a living hell? Why isn't it enough to keep them from interacting with regular haven't-been-convicted-of-a-crime citizens?

Simple. It's supposed to be a deterrent. If it's not a living hell what's the point then :?

Keeping the general public safer, perhaps.

Living hell is relative. I feel that convicted criminals have a right to food, shelter and clothing. IMO, they should not have to live in fear of the other convicted criminals. If each individual is doing the time to fit the crime, I think that someone who has failed to pay fines for petty theft should be kept safe from people who will use them as trophy kills. And, would be trophy killers should be presented with an environment where that is not possible.

where do you live where people who are behind on parking tickets get sent to the same prison as violent criminals?

Kel Varnsen

Prisons are a tough issue and I am not sure how I feel about them. On the one hand I think the purpose of prisions is to remove someone from society who is breaking the law. So if you are serving a 5 year sentence those are 5 years when you aren't going to be robbing or hurting people.

Then again I have read those reports too about how if you make prison conditions better (like in some Scandinavian countries) ex-cons are much less likely to reoffend and in the long run it costs society less.

Plus there is the aspect of guard and worker safety too that you have to think about. I mean if the cost of a couple of X-boxes means that the likelihood of a guard getting stabbed decreases then maybe it is worth it.

Plus there are some pretty messed up prisons and jails out there. My wife likes to watch those prison/jail documentaries on the National Geographic channel and some of them are messed up and I am not sure anyone deserves to be sent to them. Statesville prison in Illinois was built in the 20's with a roundhouse style design for one of its cell blocks. The whole thing looks like something out of Mad Max or something:

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Another one she saw was the Maricopa County Jail in Arizona where since the Jail is full they just set up a bunch of tents outside and prisoners sleep in there. That doens't sound so bad except that during the day temperatures in the tents get up to 150 degrees F. That same jail cut back on costs by switching to 2 meals a day. I can't remember how they got the food, but it was surplus stuff that cost like $5 per person per day (it worked out to be less than what they would spend on dog food for sheriff's department dogs). These kinds of treatments seem like they would just make the inmates more dangerous both when they are in prison and once they get out.

DS1119

Considering that between 60-70% of all convicted criminals return to jail after being released I'd have to say it's a little too pleasant for their liking. Fairly obvious it's not a big enough deterrant to achieve it's goals.

STAYSEA

No!
They had air conditioning when I couldn't afford.
They had TV with Cable I couldn't afford.
They get 3 meals every day when I work 50 hours a week and go to college full time.
Some days I get one meal.. I BUY.

But my tax money pays for them... awe

not sorry

FICA's fault?

Go Beavers

DS1119 wrote:

Considering that between 60-70% of all convicted criminals return to jail after being released I'd have to say it's a little too pleasant for their liking. Fairly obvious it's not a big enough deterrant to achieve it's goals.

Punishment isn't the most effective way to change behavior and reduce the recidivism rate. All I'm saying is that you should do your research before taking a stance on the issue.

Horos

Been there, done that. County, State and Federal. None of it was a picnic.

edit: also been homeless and hungry, would choose that any day

dimitrispearljam

Horos wrote:

Been there, done that. County, State and Federal. None of it was a picnic.

edit: also been homeless and hungry, would choose that any day

and you are the one,that can tell us the truth...

do time in prison,people think is a walk in the beach..well its not..

im tired that bullshit of people put numbers and links behind how a human should treat or fell..

i respect your opinion alot in this and i like you have balls to share with us..

hedonist

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Horos wrote:

Been there, done that. County, State and Federal. None of it was a picnic.

edit: also been homeless and hungry, would choose that any day

and you are the one,that can tell us the truth...

do time in prison,people think is a walk in the beach..well its not..

im tired that bullshit of people put numbers and links behind how a human should treat or fell..

i respect your opinion alot in this and i like you have balls to share with us..

I don't think it's a picnic or walk on the beach - nor should it be. When one commits a crime and loses their freedom, they should also lose the little perks that many of us consider gravy, luxuries.

And at the risk of sounding insensitive (which I suppose I am, in this regard), I don't give two fucks about how a piece of shit child killer, rapist or murderer feels.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Horos wrote:

Been there, done that. County, State and Federal. None of it was a picnic.

edit: also been homeless and hungry, would choose that any day

DO YOU SEE THIS POST DS?

vant0037

DS1119 wrote:

Considering that between 60-70% of all convicted criminals return to jail after being released I'd have to say it's a little too pleasant for their liking. Fairly obvious it's not a big enough deterrant to achieve it's goals.

To borrow from another thread, I thought you believed that the recidivism rate of DWI offenders who go to jail vs. the recidivism rate of DWI offenders who get on some sort of intensive supervision program (i.e. ignition interlock breath testing etc) would have "very little difference if any at all."

Very, very curious that you would look at the high recidivism rate for jail and conclude that it's because "jail is pleasant" and not "jail isn't working as a deterrent." I can point to numbers that show jail coupled with alternative programming often reduces recidivism drastically.

You can point to numbers that show people who go to jail come back to jail. Curious indeed.

dimitrispearljam

hedonist wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Horos wrote:

Been there, done that. County, State and Federal. None of it was a picnic.

edit: also been homeless and hungry, would choose that any day

and you are the one,that can tell us the truth...

do time in prison,people think is a walk in the beach..well its not..

im tired that bullshit of people put numbers and links behind how a human should treat or fell..

i respect your opinion alot in this and i like you have balls to share with us..

I don't think it's a picnic or walk on the beach - nor should it be. When one commits a crime and loses their freedom, they should also lose the little perks that many of us consider gravy, luxuries.

And at the risk of sounding insensitive (which I suppose I am, in this regard), I don't give two fucks about how a piece of shit child killer, rapist or murderer feels.

freedom..we all think its common cos we are free,but behind bars you realise how precious it is..so the luxuries yoiu refering,means nothing,when u are behind bars..
my comment has nothing to do if i give shit or care how a murderer feels...
has to do,that alot thinks that jailtime isnt enough for crimes...
someone kill someone and gets life in prison..
and alot thinks its easy.better do death penalty..cos its easy the jail time,has luxuries..
well .its not...
thats im saying..
and i agree with you,i dont care how a murderer feels.....