I Seem To Remember...
DS1119
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...a debate going on here about roadblocks near the border where police and border patrol would stop traffic and ask a simple question about your citizenship and maybe ask for your identification (something by law you are legally obligated to possess and produce when asked by an official) to try and weed out illegal immigrants and criminals. So many people were up in arms about that. How it violated your civil rights....how it was racial profiling in spite of being necessary for not only National safety but individual' personal safety...how it backed up traffic. I seem to remember the debate going into the legality of drunk driving check points too. :?
Many of those same people who are against these are for increased gun regulation against legal citizens doing nothing but exercising their own rights to bear arms. It's ok for the government to probe your own personal history but it's not ok for a police officer to ask for your driver's license? It's ok for the government to limit the number of rounds you can possess for your legal weapon but not okay to hold up traffic and see if your eyes are glazey?
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Target the criminals people not the innocent.
Many of those same people who are against these are for increased gun regulation against legal citizens doing nothing but exercising their own rights to bear arms. It's ok for the government to probe your own personal history but it's not ok for a police officer to ask for your driver's license? It's ok for the government to limit the number of rounds you can possess for your legal weapon but not okay to hold up traffic and see if your eyes are glazey?
:?Target the criminals people not the innocent.
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Go out and really live life for a awhile. too much time on here and in the bottom of a 30 pack will distort reality.
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Hey don't blame me I have a job where I can fuck around on the Internet all day.
Also, I think this is a very creative thread. Shows how much hypocritical thought and ideas actually go on around these parts.
Good post! So true it can not be debated!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
And those guns are used to kill our border patrol and many innocent Mexicans! LOL
How about the same people that are for no border or amnesty are in support of a govt body that does that! And looks the other way when the media ignores it! LOL LOL WOW
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
The examples in your first paragraph are different constitutional issues compared to gun control. Stopping people randomly is illegal search and seizure. The equivalent in gun control would be to ban a certain gun, and the government would go door to door to see if people are in illegal possession of that type of gun.
Whole hearted disagree. People can not pick and choose what's convenient for them when it comes to the COnstitution.
But in your thread you're picking what's convenient for you. You're saying illegal searches are okay, but increased gun control is not.
Asking people for their driver's license is not illegal and is far from an illegal search. I do believe that's required by law to be presented to any official while operating a motor vehicle in the United States.
Police need probable cause to pull someone over, so that makes roadblocks and stopping people just to check on who's in the car unconstitutional.
You're following the same logic in this thread that you have issue with in the gun control threads. You're willing to give up constitutional rights for a perceived increase in safety in the same way that someone who is asking for more gun control.
A person in the US is required to carry and provide identification when ever asked by an official.
You're not required to carry ID. You are required to identify yourself when the cops demand it, but again, this would be after they have probable cause to stop you.
Actually a stop inside the US to question about citizenship is unconstitutional. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has declared roadside checks Constitutional because of the risk to the public. You also are not required to have a driver's license unless you are driving. If I am the passenger in a vehicle I am not required to carry identification.
Correct. They are also not allowed to detain you unless you are under arrest. That's why you ask, "Am I under arrest? If not, am I free to go?" You keep asking to please be allowed to leave.