PRIOR TO PRAYER BEING REMOVED FROM AMERICAN SCHOOLS IN 1963 THERE HAD NEVER BEEN A SCHOOL SHOOTING IN AMERICA.
THE FIRST SHOOTING IN AN AMERICAN SCHOOL OCCURRED IN 1966.
WHEN GOD WAS REMOVED CHAOS ENSUED.
1. For 15 years before 1963 pregnancies in girls ages 15 through 19 years had been no more than 15 per thousand After 1963 pregnancies increased 187% in the next 15 years.
2. For younger girls, ages 10 to 14 years, pregnancies since 1963 are up 553%.
3. Before 1963 sexually transmitted diseases among students were 400 per 100,000. Since 1963, they were up 226% in the next 12 years.
B. The Family
1. Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.
2. Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%
3. Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.
4. Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.
but how does free will mesh with god's plan? any benevolent deity would never allow these things to keep happening over and over again.
Why is it nonbelievers blame God for what humans do?
The children are with God aways have been.
They continue on their paths as we all do.
What do you think we are supposed to learn from this?
What would God want us to learn?
Certainly not how to have a better more insulting gun debate.
Nor a loss in faith. The contrary.
Each loss ripples, we all feel it. Love the byproduct of the ripples.
You, I, the killer all have choices. That is the plan, it is simultaneous,
past, present, future. And the choices we make ripples to effect everyone.
This young man a lost soul. We assume without proper reasoning tempered with
so much anger for a lifetime of hurt. Choices others made, made this killer.
This killers choices are making us.
Each of us will find what we will learn from this spiritually and individually,
that is the plan.
i typed out a huge reply to this asking how you can say god causes all good things, yet he is not responsible for anything bad and yada yada, and how people can twist god into all of these different things and how the positions can be morphed at will against all logic, but i lost it and do not feel like retyping it. how you can attempt to excuse or defend this murderer is beyond me. i am not going to let you do that. you can not defend the indefensible using god, illness, being misunderstood, or any other justification.
i do not understand you or your posts. this has absolutely nothing to do with the points i was making, and i am not going to get into a spiritual discussion with you.
i am asking you one favor, please do not turn this thread into what always happens. thanks.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
God teaches love! Not do what you want when you want........do any of you remember when there was right and wrong?
I do not believe in same sex, sex.....but I also do not believe in calling people names or harming people......I would not call anyone a fagot, queer or any other derogatory words that may be out there.....yet the so called tolerant ones on here have no problem calling me Racist, homophobic (but the way there is no such thing) and all the other nasty things you guys have in your vocabulary (be it a word or not). I believe in God.! I believe in Love
"Ariel", please do not respond to any of my threads. I find you to be someone I would never want to be friends with and someone I would never want to converse with. (I'm being kind).
You do not even know me...............
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Why is it nonbelievers blame God for what humans do?
What a ridiculous statement.
Nonbelievers don't blame 'God'; they blame those involved and a society that is too complacent to want to do anything about its problems with violence and mental illness.
The children are with God aways have been.
They continue on their paths as we all do.
What do you think we are supposed to learn from this?
What would God want us to learn?
Certainly not how to have a better more insulting gun debate.
Nor a loss in faith. The contrary.
Each loss ripples, we all feel it. Love the byproduct of the ripples.
You, I, the killer all have choices. That is the plan, it is simultaneous,
past, present, future. And the choices we make ripples to effect everyone.
This young man a lost soul. We assume without proper reasoning tempered with
so much anger for a lifetime of hurt. Choices others made, made this killer.
This killers choices are making us.
Each of us will find what we will learn from this spiritually and individually,
that is the plan.
I'm not sure why, but every time I read one of your posts I'm reminded of a Hallmark card. What I get from this post is that people are supposed to take some sort of lesson from tragedies like this but we're never to discuss guns. I suppose that would be too unAmerican; God would never want that.
I guess the only choice we're supposed to make is to brush everything under the rug and pretend it's all okay until the next massacre happens in a few months, weeks or days. Then again, this killer's choices were made pretty easy when he had an M4 at his fingertips. This young man was not a lost soul; he was a time bomb with easy access to an unbelievable arsenal.
but how does free will mesh with god's plan? any benevolent deity would never allow these things to keep happening over and over again.
Why is it nonbelievers blame God for what humans do?
The children are with God aways have been.
They continue on their paths as we all do.
What do you think we are supposed to learn from this?
What would God want us to learn?
Certainly not how to have a better more insulting gun debate.
Nor a loss in faith. The contrary.
Each loss ripples, we all feel it. Love the byproduct of the ripples.
You, I, the killer all have choices. That is the plan, it is simultaneous,
past, present, future. And the choices we make ripples to effect everyone.
This young man a lost soul. We assume without proper reasoning tempered with
so much anger for a lifetime of hurt. Choices others made, made this killer.
This killers choices are making us.
Each of us will find what we will learn from this spiritually and individually,
that is the plan.
i typed out a huge reply to this asking how you can say god causes all good things, yet he is not responsible for anything bad and yada yada, and how people can twist god into all of these different things and how the positions can be morphed at will against all logic, but i lost it and do not feel like retyping it. how you can attempt to excuse or defend this murderer is beyond me. i am not going to let you do that. you can not defend the indefensible using god, illness, being misunderstood, or any other justification.
i do not understand you or your posts. this has absolutely nothing to do with the points i was making, and i am not going to get into a spiritual discussion with you.
i am asking you one favor, please do not turn this thread into what always happens. thanks.
but you did...
so lets get this straight
that would be you turning this into that kind of conversation,
which by the way others are doing as well. You asked a spiritual question and blamed God,
thats kind of ridiculous yes? Logically?
But if you agree with the others, expected that type of response, then that is ok...
right?
sorry you lost your post ... God works in mysterious ways that was a joke.
Why is it nonbelievers blame God for what humans do?
What a ridiculous statement.
Nonbelievers don't blame 'God'; they blame those involved and a society that is too complacent to want to do anything about its problems with violence and mental illness.
The children are with God aways have been.
They continue on their paths as we all do.
What do you think we are supposed to learn from this?
What would God want us to learn?
Certainly not how to have a better more insulting gun debate.
Nor a loss in faith. The contrary.
Each loss ripples, we all feel it. Love the byproduct of the ripples.
You, I, the killer all have choices. That is the plan, it is simultaneous,
past, present, future. And the choices we make ripples to effect everyone.
This young man a lost soul. We assume without proper reasoning tempered with
so much anger for a lifetime of hurt. Choices others made, made this killer.
This killers choices are making us.
Each of us will find what we will learn from this spiritually and individually,
that is the plan.
I'm not sure why, but every time I read one of your posts I'm reminded of a Hallmark card. What I get from this post is that people are supposed to take some sort of lesson from tragedies like this but we're never to discuss guns. I suppose that would be too unAmerican; God would never want that.
I guess the only choice we're supposed to make is to brush everything under the rug and pretend it's all okay until the next massacre happens in a few months, weeks or days. Then again, this killer's choices were made pretty easy when he had an M4 at his fingertips. This young man was not a lost soul; he was a time bomb with easy access to an unbelievable arsenal.
Actually no some people do blame God and repeatedly ask why HE would allow bad things to happen.
I write Hallmark cards... hmmmm
my heart you know comes out in my words. Don't see that much on AMT...
can be stunning.
Talking about guns and not the cause of the shooting is dumb. Mental illness
is the cause.
The young man came into this world a lost soul. No one found him.
I think I said numerous times we all have choices no?
PRIOR TO PRAYER BEING REMOVED FROM AMERICAN SCHOOLS IN 1963 THERE HAD NEVER BEEN A SCHOOL SHOOTING IN AMERICA.
THE FIRST SHOOTING IN AN AMERICAN SCHOOL OCCURRED IN 1966.
WHEN GOD WAS REMOVED CHAOS ENSUED.
1. For 15 years before 1963 pregnancies in girls ages 15 through 19 years had been no more than 15 per thousand After 1963 pregnancies increased 187% in the next 15 years.
2. For younger girls, ages 10 to 14 years, pregnancies since 1963 are up 553%.
3. Before 1963 sexually transmitted diseases among students were 400 per 100,000. Since 1963, they were up 226% in the next 12 years.
B. The Family
1. Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.
2. Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%
3. Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.
4. Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.
Since 1963, both black people and white people get to drink from the same drinking fountain!
and who was it that said "this happened because god doesn't go where he is not welcome?"
i thought god was everywhere, all knowing, all seeing, etc...
this just backs up the belief that there is no god.
While I think Huckabee was an idiot for what he said...I disagree with your comment as well. Quite a stretch.
People that continually push their non-religion on others is the same as those that continually push their religions on others. Youa re the Jehovah Witness's of the non-believers. I wish you would all stop the nonsense and your nonsense hatred.
and who was it that said "this happened because god doesn't go where he is not welcome?"
i thought god was everywhere, all knowing, all seeing, etc...
this just backs up the belief that there is no god.
While I think Huckabee was an idiot for what he said...I disagree with your comment as well. Quite a stretch.
People that continually push their non-religion on others is the same as those that continually push their religions on others. Youa re the Jehovah Witness's of the non-believers. I wish you would all stop the nonsense and your nonsense hatred.
what is it that you take issue with?
this man said the lack of god in school allowed this to happen. another talking head said that god doesn't go where he is not wanted, which is utter bullshit based on everything i was taught growing up catholic. god is in the catholic church and there are mollestations. did god allow that to happen? did he stop it? what god would allow that to happen?
arguing about the inclusion or exclusion of something that can not be proven to exist is something that i find completely absurd and frankly a waste of time.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I think I said numerous times we all have choices no?
yes we do all have choices and this young man CHOSE to take his mothers weapons and then he CHOSE to go to that school and kill children and those trying to protect them. HIS choice. why didnt the fucker just choose to kill himself?
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I've heard and seen these comments a lot since this massacre. So the logic being, God allowed these children to be slaughtered because religion isn't "allowed in schools" anymore?? I'm at a loss...
That people take comments from the extreme and apply them to the entire base. Not all religious people are kooky. Sure, I really dislike organized religion. But I don't have to go around saying things "prove their is no god". Why do you feel the need to do that?
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I think I said numerous times we all have choices no?
yes we do all have choices and this young man CHOSE to take his mothers weapons and then he CHOSE to go to that school and kill children and those trying to protect them. HIS choice. why didnt the fucker just choose to kill himself?
Do you think people with mental illness can choose?
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) weighed in on the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. on Friday, saying the crime was no surprise because we have "systematically removed God" from public schools.
"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"
This line of reasoning isn't new for Huckabee.
Speaking about a mass shooting in Aurora, Colo. over the summer, the former GOP presidential candidate claimed that such violent episodes were a function of a nation suffering from the removal of religion from the public sphere.
"We don't have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem," Huckabee said on Fox News. "And since we've ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn't act so surprised ... when all hell breaks loose."
Adam Lanza, 20, is the suspect in a school shooting that left 27 dead Friday, including 20 children. Lanza is reportedly the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred.
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So... God is pissed at us because WE stopped talking about Him in our schools and out military.
In return, God allows the slaughter of 20 children and 6 caring adults?
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If that is true... then, Fuck God. It means He is a self-centered narcissist that demands we bow to Him... otherwise, He kills our kids.
IF... God really IS that way... God is a fucking asshole.
I'm not buying it, Mr. Huckabee
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Do you think people with mental illness can choose?
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Yes. He chose to do those things... he knew which weapons to select... he chose to drive to the school after murdering his mother... he chose to pull the trigger... again and again and again and again and again and again... and he chose to take his own life.. in THAT order.
Those were all choices.
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I think I said numerous times we all have choices no?
yes we do all have choices and this young man CHOSE to take his mothers weapons and then he CHOSE to go to that school and kill children and those trying to protect them. HIS choice. why didnt the fucker just choose to kill himself?
Do you think people with mental illness can choose?
yes i do. they do it every day. you seem to paint mentally ill people as incompetant. theyre not. why is it when a massacre like this happens thealmost immediate assumption is the shooter was mentally ill? im not saying this is true or untrue in the newtown incident but it disturbs me that this is peoples first stop. heck ive even seen people blame the mother... and you all can imagine how well that goes down with me. the person responsible for the deaths of those children and the adults that tried their best to protect them is the shooter. he made the decision. it was his choice.
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yes i do. they do it every day. you seem to paint mentally ill people as incompetant. theyre not. why is it when a massacre like this happens thealmost immediate assumption is the shooter was mentally ill? im not saying this is true or untrue in the newtown incident but it disturbs me that this is peoples first stop. heck ive even seen people blame the mother... and you all can imagine how well that goes down with me. the person responsible for the deaths of those children and the adults that tried their best to protect them is the shooter. he made the decision. it was his choice.
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I agree... the shooter made choices. There were contributing factors, but, the choice to drive to the elementary school and not the police station to shoot up was his.
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The only responsiblility I can see towards the mother was her decision to allow guns into the equation. Yeah, guns are cool and the parts fit together nicely and all... but, so do bicycles. She might have chosen more wisely to have her son take apart and rebuild a ten-speed instead of a Glock.
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Then, again... what do I know? I wasn't living in the home. For all i know he was a descent kid who was not socially astute who decided one day to put his gun skills on display. We will probably never really know.
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Wait. Now God guided those bullets into those kids... because we are fucking? Seriously... I need to talk to God.
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**BBBBBRRRRIIIIING!**
"Hello... God? Yeah, this is Cosmo again... how'z it going?
Now... are you pissed off at us? Because Mike Huchabee says the you allowed those deaths of those little kids because we kicked you out of school and.. what? Oh... I see... you graduated from school. No one kicked you out. Gotcha. If we want to talk to you... we can. We don't have to wait for any regimented time. Okay... makes sense.
Now, he is saying you killed them because I'm fucking girls who are on the pill... what? Oh, I know... you invented fucking.. oh, and, by the way, thanx for that... appreciate it. And what? Yes... i agree, fucking IS beautiful... and yeah, I agree... we gotta be careful. And responsible, yeah... why do you think i've got thoe condoms... opps, forgot, you already know.
What? Uh-huh. Mmmm-hmmmm. Yeah... i... okay. I will.
And thanx for the awesome sunset tonight, really nice work. Love you, too... yeah... later... bye."
**cli-click**
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Mike... God says, 'Quit being a dick and blaming him for what that adult chose to do'.
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In the wake of catastrophe, people want explanations, and as news spread of the mass shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, some religious conservatives were ready with an answer: the exclusion of God from public schools and the embrace of liberal social policies.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who is ordained as a minister in the Southern Baptist Church, said Friday on Fox News that "we've systematically removed God from our schools."
"Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?" he asked.
Huckabee's comments drew criticism from progressive religious leaders, who accused him of suggesting that God wasn't there with the 26 victims at Sandy Hook.
Martin E. Marty, the prominent religious scholar, wrote Monday for the Center for the Advanced Study of Religion at the University of Chicago (which is named for him) that Huckabee "wins, hands down, the prize for his absurdist judgment that 'Newtown' should have been no surprise."
Steve McSwain, a former Baptist minister who is now a nationally known interfaith activist, addressed Huckabee directly, writing:
"With such remarks, you not only show little regard for those broken by this tragedy, but you make God into some kind a cosmic psychopath — vengeful, sickeningly repulsive, one who takes out his madness on innocent little children.
"Your reasoning is repulsive: Because we have removed your god from our schools, this is how your god gets even?" he wrote.
The intensity of the rhetoric underscores how quickly discussions of the religious underpinnings of tragedy can turn heated. Little noticed among Huckabee's critics is that he didn't say God turned his back on Newtown; he expressly said God was there in the good works people were doing.
"God wasn't armed. He didn't go to the school," Huckabee continued. "But God will be there in the form of a lot of people with hugs and therapy and a whole lot of ways in which he will be involved in the aftermath."
Other social conservatives echoed Huckabee's thoughts on the root cause of Friday's attack.
James Dobson, the evangelical founder of the powerful organization Focus on the Family, said on his radio show, "Family Talk," that because "we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty, I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us. I think that's what's going on."
Dobson blamed two issues in particular: abortion and gay marriage.
"I mean, millions of people have decided that God doesn't exist or he's irrelevant to me, and we have killed 54 million babies, and the institution of marriage is right on the verge of a complete redefinition. Believe me, that is going to have consequences, too."
Joseph Farah, editor of the conservative news site WND (formerly World Net Daily), wrote Sunday that the U.S. should expect "more Sandy Hooks, not fewer," because of America's "secularism" and restrictions on guns.
Grounding his opposition to gun control in religious terms, Farah likened arguments for gun control to philosophies underpinning "Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union (and) Mao's China," declaring:
"We are reaping the seeds of the whirlwind we ourselves planted. ... It's not that there are too many guns in our hands. It's that there is not enough repentance in our hearts."
The temptation to leap to such judgments is understandable, the Rev. Jenny Warner of First Presbyterian Church of Bend, Ore., said in her sermon Sunday. But she argued that that's the coward's way out.
"How many people are saying, 'Oh, we need more gun control'? How many people are saying, 'If only God was more in our schools'? How many people are blaming it on this politician or that politician?" Warner asked her congregation.
"Another article I read was about how Mike Huckabee was blaming this on our politics, and so from both sides you've got the questions and the blame game happening."
Those are "all ways that make it easier ... to stay a little bit more removed from it, to not have to enter it in such a profound and intimate way," she said. But that's what makes it all the more important for religious people to confront tragedy, not seek to explain it.
Sure, "we need doctors," she said. "We need symposiums on world poverty. We need people to go in and address issues and to help provide a response. ...
"But we need healing, and healing comes with relationships. Healing comes by reaching out to someone and listening. Healing comes by calling and following up.
Healing comes when those four friends grab their friend and say, 'We're in this with you,'" she said, an allusion to Mark 2:1-12, in which four men lower their paralyzed friend through the roof of a crowded building where Jesus is preaching so he can be healed.
Real healing, Warner said, "steps into the pain and is with someone in it."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) weighed in on the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. on Friday, saying the crime was no surprise because we have "systematically removed God" from public schools.
"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"
This line of reasoning isn't new for Huckabee.
Speaking about a mass shooting in Aurora, Colo. over the summer, the former GOP presidential candidate claimed that such violent episodes were a function of a nation suffering from the removal of religion from the public sphere.
"We don't have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem," Huckabee said on Fox News. "And since we've ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn't act so surprised ... when all hell breaks loose."
Adam Lanza, 20, is the suspect in a school shooting that left 27 dead Friday, including 20 children. Lanza is reportedly the son of a teacher at the school where the shootings occurred.
Tea Party Group Blames Connecticut Shooting On Teachers, Unions, And Sex
A piece posted to the Tea Party Nation website yesterday, and sent to the group’s members in an email from TPN head Judson Phillips, blamed the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut on teachers, unions, bureaucracy, and the presence of sex in popular culture. In a lengthy screed that’s essentially a round-up of every major cultural and policy grievance the American right holds with the rest of the country, author Timothy Birdnow cited concerns about the mental health of shooter Adam Lanza, the lack of spanking in schools, and the new movie “Django Unchained” — among other things — as evidence that American popular culture “has made murder, rape, mayhem, hatred, and violence ‘cool.’”
He then went on to recommend a number of interesting solutions, including a lamentation that George Zimmerman was not guarding Sandy Hook Elementary School:
Homeschool. Take away the power of the radicals in the classrooms. Makes your kids safer, too.
Back Right to Work legislation for the public sector. Teacher’s unions have helped cement much of this in place. As long as we have group think in the classrooms we will never see the end of this. […]
Work to devolve power back to the parents, the local officials, and the communities. A society that is top-down will inevitably lead to alienation of the sort we have seen here. This young man was twenty years old, and his actions were neither spurious nor random. As an FBI profiler said on television last night, he undoubtedly felt powerless and sought to remedy that. Why does a twenty year old feel powerless? He could leave his mother’s home at any time at his age. He feels powerless because he has lived in an over-bureaucratized society, one run ultimately from a far-away central location. […]
Restrict the sex in movies, television, on the internet. There is a reason why young people commit these sorts of crimes, and sex plays no small part. Their passions are eternally inflamed, and they wander the Earth with no outlet for their overstimulated glands. […]
Support the creation of local organizations to act as “neighborhood watch” for schools. Had George Zimmerman been at the front door instead of some mechanical card reader those children would still be alive. Perhaps it’s time we start asking for volunteers to protect our children. It will require security checks, but isn’t that worth it? This dovetails with the union problem; the unions will fight this measure tooth-and-nail.
This isn’t the first time Tea Party Nation has indulged in extremist outbursts. Members of the group chanted “pay for it yourself,” suggesting the uninsured should finance their own health care out of pocket, at protests during the Supreme Court hearings on Obamacare. In 2011, TPN emailed a message urging businesses to “not hire a single person” in protest against Obama’s presidency. And Phillips also responded to the controversy over Mitt Romney’s tax returns by suggesting Republicans inquire whether President Obama is a drug addict.
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Tea Party Group Blames Connecticut Shooting On Teachers, Unions, And Sex
A piece posted to the Tea Party Nation website yesterday, and sent to the group’s members in an email from TPN head Judson Phillips, blamed the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut on teachers, unions, bureaucracy, and the presence of sex in popular culture. In a lengthy screed that’s essentially a round-up of every major cultural and policy grievance the American right holds with the rest of the country, author Timothy Birdnow cited concerns about the mental health of shooter Adam Lanza, the lack of spanking in schools, and the new movie “Django Unchained” — among other things — as evidence that American popular culture “has made murder, rape, mayhem, hatred, and violence ‘cool.’”
He then went on to recommend a number of interesting solutions, including a lamentation that George Zimmerman was not guarding Sandy Hook Elementary School:
Homeschool. Take away the power of the radicals in the classrooms. Makes your kids safer, too.
Back Right to Work legislation for the public sector. Teacher’s unions have helped cement much of this in place. As long as we have group think in the classrooms we will never see the end of this. […]
Work to devolve power back to the parents, the local officials, and the communities. A society that is top-down will inevitably lead to alienation of the sort we have seen here. This young man was twenty years old, and his actions were neither spurious nor random. As an FBI profiler said on television last night, he undoubtedly felt powerless and sought to remedy that. Why does a twenty year old feel powerless? He could leave his mother’s home at any time at his age. He feels powerless because he has lived in an over-bureaucratized society, one run ultimately from a far-away central location. […]
Restrict the sex in movies, television, on the internet. There is a reason why young people commit these sorts of crimes, and sex plays no small part. Their passions are eternally inflamed, and they wander the Earth with no outlet for their overstimulated glands. […]
Support the creation of local organizations to act as “neighborhood watch” for schools. Had George Zimmerman been at the front door instead of some mechanical card reader those children would still be alive. Perhaps it’s time we start asking for volunteers to protect our children. It will require security checks, but isn’t that worth it? This dovetails with the union problem; the unions will fight this measure tooth-and-nail.
This isn’t the first time Tea Party Nation has indulged in extremist outbursts. Members of the group chanted “pay for it yourself,” suggesting the uninsured should finance their own health care out of pocket, at protests during the Supreme Court hearings on Obamacare. In 2011, TPN emailed a message urging businesses to “not hire a single person” in protest against Obama’s presidency. And Phillips also responded to the controversy over Mitt Romney’s tax returns by suggesting Republicans inquire whether President Obama is a drug addict.
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I feel ill.
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Tea Party Group Blames Connecticut Shooting On Teachers, Unions, And Sex
A piece posted to the Tea Party Nation website yesterday, and sent to the group’s members in an email from TPN head Judson Phillips, blamed the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut on teachers, unions, bureaucracy, and the presence of sex in popular culture. In a lengthy screed that’s essentially a round-up of every major cultural and policy grievance the American right holds with the rest of the country, author Timothy Birdnow cited concerns about the mental health of shooter Adam Lanza, the lack of spanking in schools, and the new movie “Django Unchained” — among other things — as evidence that American popular culture “has made murder, rape, mayhem, hatred, and violence ‘cool.’”
He then went on to recommend a number of interesting solutions, including a lamentation that George Zimmerman was not guarding Sandy Hook Elementary School:
Homeschool. Take away the power of the radicals in the classrooms. Makes your kids safer, too.
Back Right to Work legislation for the public sector. Teacher’s unions have helped cement much of this in place. As long as we have group think in the classrooms we will never see the end of this. […]
Work to devolve power back to the parents, the local officials, and the communities. A society that is top-down will inevitably lead to alienation of the sort we have seen here. This young man was twenty years old, and his actions were neither spurious nor random. As an FBI profiler said on television last night, he undoubtedly felt powerless and sought to remedy that. Why does a twenty year old feel powerless? He could leave his mother’s home at any time at his age. He feels powerless because he has lived in an over-bureaucratized society, one run ultimately from a far-away central location. […]
Restrict the sex in movies, television, on the internet. There is a reason why young people commit these sorts of crimes, and sex plays no small part. Their passions are eternally inflamed, and they wander the Earth with no outlet for their overstimulated glands. […]
Support the creation of local organizations to act as “neighborhood watch” for schools. Had George Zimmerman been at the front door instead of some mechanical card reader those children would still be alive. Perhaps it’s time we start asking for volunteers to protect our children. It will require security checks, but isn’t that worth it? This dovetails with the union problem; the unions will fight this measure tooth-and-nail.
This isn’t the first time Tea Party Nation has indulged in extremist outbursts. Members of the group chanted “pay for it yourself,” suggesting the uninsured should finance their own health care out of pocket, at protests during the Supreme Court hearings on Obamacare. In 2011, TPN emailed a message urging businesses to “not hire a single person” in protest against Obama’s presidency. And Phillips also responded to the controversy over Mitt Romney’s tax returns by suggesting Republicans inquire whether President Obama is a drug addict.
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i do not understand you or your posts. this has absolutely nothing to do with the points i was making, and i am not going to get into a spiritual discussion with you.
i am asking you one favor, please do not turn this thread into what always happens. thanks.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You do not even know me...............
What a ridiculous statement.
Nonbelievers don't blame 'God'; they blame those involved and a society that is too complacent to want to do anything about its problems with violence and mental illness.
I'm not sure why, but every time I read one of your posts I'm reminded of a Hallmark card. What I get from this post is that people are supposed to take some sort of lesson from tragedies like this but we're never to discuss guns. I suppose that would be too unAmerican; God would never want that.
I guess the only choice we're supposed to make is to brush everything under the rug and pretend it's all okay until the next massacre happens in a few months, weeks or days. Then again, this killer's choices were made pretty easy when he had an M4 at his fingertips. This young man was not a lost soul; he was a time bomb with easy access to an unbelievable arsenal.
so lets get this straight
that would be you turning this into that kind of conversation,
which by the way others are doing as well. You asked a spiritual question and blamed God,
thats kind of ridiculous yes? Logically?
But if you agree with the others, expected that type of response, then that is ok...
right?
sorry you lost your post ... God works in mysterious ways
I write Hallmark cards... hmmmm
my heart you know comes out in my words. Don't see that much on AMT...
can be stunning.
Talking about guns and not the cause of the shooting is dumb. Mental illness
is the cause.
The young man came into this world a lost soul. No one found him.
I think I said numerous times we all have choices no?
While I think Huckabee was an idiot for what he said...I disagree with your comment as well. Quite a stretch.
People that continually push their non-religion on others is the same as those that continually push their religions on others. Youa re the Jehovah Witness's of the non-believers. I wish you would all stop the nonsense and your nonsense hatred.
this man said the lack of god in school allowed this to happen. another talking head said that god doesn't go where he is not wanted, which is utter bullshit based on everything i was taught growing up catholic. god is in the catholic church and there are mollestations. did god allow that to happen? did he stop it? what god would allow that to happen?
arguing about the inclusion or exclusion of something that can not be proven to exist is something that i find completely absurd and frankly a waste of time.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
yes we do all have choices and this young man CHOSE to take his mothers weapons and then he CHOSE to go to that school and kill children and those trying to protect them. HIS choice. why didnt the fucker just choose to kill himself?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
That people take comments from the extreme and apply them to the entire base. Not all religious people are kooky. Sure, I really dislike organized religion. But I don't have to go around saying things "prove their is no god". Why do you feel the need to do that?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
what
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
So... God is pissed at us because WE stopped talking about Him in our schools and out military.
In return, God allows the slaughter of 20 children and 6 caring adults?
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If that is true... then, Fuck God. It means He is a self-centered narcissist that demands we bow to Him... otherwise, He kills our kids.
IF... God really IS that way... God is a fucking asshole.
I'm not buying it, Mr. Huckabee
Hail, Hail!!!
Yes. He chose to do those things... he knew which weapons to select... he chose to drive to the school after murdering his mother... he chose to pull the trigger... again and again and again and again and again and again... and he chose to take his own life.. in THAT order.
Those were all choices.
Hail, Hail!!!
yes i do. they do it every day. you seem to paint mentally ill people as incompetant. theyre not. why is it when a massacre like this happens thealmost immediate assumption is the shooter was mentally ill? im not saying this is true or untrue in the newtown incident but it disturbs me that this is peoples first stop. heck ive even seen people blame the mother... and you all can imagine how well that goes down with me. the person responsible for the deaths of those children and the adults that tried their best to protect them is the shooter. he made the decision. it was his choice.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I agree... the shooter made choices. There were contributing factors, but, the choice to drive to the elementary school and not the police station to shoot up was his.
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The only responsiblility I can see towards the mother was her decision to allow guns into the equation. Yeah, guns are cool and the parts fit together nicely and all... but, so do bicycles. She might have chosen more wisely to have her son take apart and rebuild a ten-speed instead of a Glock.
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Then, again... what do I know? I wasn't living in the home. For all i know he was a descent kid who was not socially astute who decided one day to put his gun skills on display. We will probably never really know.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/12 ... -massacre/
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Wait. Now God guided those bullets into those kids... because we are fucking? Seriously... I need to talk to God.
...
**BBBBBRRRRIIIIING!**
"Hello... God? Yeah, this is Cosmo again... how'z it going?
Now... are you pissed off at us? Because Mike Huchabee says the you allowed those deaths of those little kids because we kicked you out of school and.. what? Oh... I see... you graduated from school. No one kicked you out. Gotcha. If we want to talk to you... we can. We don't have to wait for any regimented time. Okay... makes sense.
Now, he is saying you killed them because I'm fucking girls who are on the pill... what? Oh, I know... you invented fucking.. oh, and, by the way, thanx for that... appreciate it. And what? Yes... i agree, fucking IS beautiful... and yeah, I agree... we gotta be careful. And responsible, yeah... why do you think i've got thoe condoms... opps, forgot, you already know.
What? Uh-huh. Mmmm-hmmmm. Yeah... i... okay. I will.
And thanx for the awesome sunset tonight, really nice work. Love you, too... yeah... later... bye."
**cli-click**
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Mike... God says, 'Quit being a dick and blaming him for what that adult chose to do'.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... s-god?lite
What is to blame for the Connecticut school attack?
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In the wake of catastrophe, people want explanations, and as news spread of the mass shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, some religious conservatives were ready with an answer: the exclusion of God from public schools and the embrace of liberal social policies.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who is ordained as a minister in the Southern Baptist Church, said Friday on Fox News that "we've systematically removed God from our schools."
"Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?" he asked.
Huckabee's comments drew criticism from progressive religious leaders, who accused him of suggesting that God wasn't there with the 26 victims at Sandy Hook.
Martin E. Marty, the prominent religious scholar, wrote Monday for the Center for the Advanced Study of Religion at the University of Chicago (which is named for him) that Huckabee "wins, hands down, the prize for his absurdist judgment that 'Newtown' should have been no surprise."
Steve McSwain, a former Baptist minister who is now a nationally known interfaith activist, addressed Huckabee directly, writing:
"With such remarks, you not only show little regard for those broken by this tragedy, but you make God into some kind a cosmic psychopath — vengeful, sickeningly repulsive, one who takes out his madness on innocent little children.
"Your reasoning is repulsive: Because we have removed your god from our schools, this is how your god gets even?" he wrote.
The intensity of the rhetoric underscores how quickly discussions of the religious underpinnings of tragedy can turn heated. Little noticed among Huckabee's critics is that he didn't say God turned his back on Newtown; he expressly said God was there in the good works people were doing.
"God wasn't armed. He didn't go to the school," Huckabee continued. "But God will be there in the form of a lot of people with hugs and therapy and a whole lot of ways in which he will be involved in the aftermath."
Other social conservatives echoed Huckabee's thoughts on the root cause of Friday's attack.
James Dobson, the evangelical founder of the powerful organization Focus on the Family, said on his radio show, "Family Talk," that because "we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty, I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us. I think that's what's going on."
Dobson blamed two issues in particular: abortion and gay marriage.
"I mean, millions of people have decided that God doesn't exist or he's irrelevant to me, and we have killed 54 million babies, and the institution of marriage is right on the verge of a complete redefinition. Believe me, that is going to have consequences, too."
Joseph Farah, editor of the conservative news site WND (formerly World Net Daily), wrote Sunday that the U.S. should expect "more Sandy Hooks, not fewer," because of America's "secularism" and restrictions on guns.
Grounding his opposition to gun control in religious terms, Farah likened arguments for gun control to philosophies underpinning "Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union (and) Mao's China," declaring:
"We are reaping the seeds of the whirlwind we ourselves planted. ... It's not that there are too many guns in our hands. It's that there is not enough repentance in our hearts."
The temptation to leap to such judgments is understandable, the Rev. Jenny Warner of First Presbyterian Church of Bend, Ore., said in her sermon Sunday. But she argued that that's the coward's way out.
"How many people are saying, 'Oh, we need more gun control'? How many people are saying, 'If only God was more in our schools'? How many people are blaming it on this politician or that politician?" Warner asked her congregation.
"Another article I read was about how Mike Huckabee was blaming this on our politics, and so from both sides you've got the questions and the blame game happening."
Those are "all ways that make it easier ... to stay a little bit more removed from it, to not have to enter it in such a profound and intimate way," she said. But that's what makes it all the more important for religious people to confront tragedy, not seek to explain it.
Sure, "we need doctors," she said. "We need symposiums on world poverty. We need people to go in and address issues and to help provide a response. ...
"But we need healing, and healing comes with relationships. Healing comes by reaching out to someone and listening. Healing comes by calling and following up.
Healing comes when those four friends grab their friend and say, 'We're in this with you,'" she said, an allusion to Mark 2:1-12, in which four men lower their paralyzed friend through the roof of a crowded building where Jesus is preaching so he can be healed.
Real healing, Warner said, "steps into the pain and is with someone in it."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/ ... s-and-sex/
Tea Party Group Blames Connecticut Shooting On Teachers, Unions, And Sex
A piece posted to the Tea Party Nation website yesterday, and sent to the group’s members in an email from TPN head Judson Phillips, blamed the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut on teachers, unions, bureaucracy, and the presence of sex in popular culture. In a lengthy screed that’s essentially a round-up of every major cultural and policy grievance the American right holds with the rest of the country, author Timothy Birdnow cited concerns about the mental health of shooter Adam Lanza, the lack of spanking in schools, and the new movie “Django Unchained” — among other things — as evidence that American popular culture “has made murder, rape, mayhem, hatred, and violence ‘cool.’”
He then went on to recommend a number of interesting solutions, including a lamentation that George Zimmerman was not guarding Sandy Hook Elementary School:
This isn’t the first time Tea Party Nation has indulged in extremist outbursts. Members of the group chanted “pay for it yourself,” suggesting the uninsured should finance their own health care out of pocket, at protests during the Supreme Court hearings on Obamacare. In 2011, TPN emailed a message urging businesses to “not hire a single person” in protest against Obama’s presidency. And Phillips also responded to the controversy over Mitt Romney’s tax returns by suggesting Republicans inquire whether President Obama is a drug addict.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
I feel ill.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful