The thing about suicide... it is an act of selfishness. It never considers the trail of massive wreckage it leaves in its wake. Ask anyone who is the victim of a loved ones suicide.
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The thing about suicide... it is an act of selfishness. It never considers the trail of massive wreckage it leaves in its wake. Ask anyone who is the victim of a loved ones suicide.
i don't want to get into semantics here but i think that this perception that people who commit suicide are selfish is simply a projection and not based in any fact ... i don't think people come to the conclusion to commit suicide lightly and i am guessing that loved ones are considerations ... either way - we don't know what's in the scope ... we also don't know what kind of suffering a person is going through to warrant this act ... unless one can put themselves in another person's shoes - we can only judge ... and it does nothing to help people in similar situations nor acknowledge that a person who does decide to commit suicide has likely suffered significantly in their life ...
The thing about suicide... it is an act of selfishness. It never considers the trail of massive wreckage it leaves in its wake. Ask anyone who is the victim of a loved ones suicide.
i am not making excuses. one of my best friends, Matt, shot himself at age 14. i was 12 and it fucked me up and stole my innocence...it stole all of our innocence. we were so young.
i eventually forgave him for that but it took me a long time.. it took me experiencing similar feelings of depression and despair and helplessness to fully forgive him.
but if you are the person in pain you are not thinking about other people. you are thinking about making the emotional pain stop. people who commit suicide most times are not thinking clearly. their main goal is to eliminate the pain at all costs. i am not sure if that is selfish or not.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i am not making excuses. one of my best friends, Matt, shot himself at age 14. i was 12 and it fucked me up and stole my innocence...it stole all of our innocence. we were so young.
i eventually forgave him for that but it took me a long time.. it took me experiencing similar feelings of depression and despair and helplessness to fully forgive him.
but if you are the person in pain you are not thinking about other people. you are thinking about making the emotional pain stop. people who commit suicide most times are not thinking clearly. their main goal is to eliminate the pain at all costs. i am not sure if that is selfish or not.
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My friend when we were in high school, Steve, did the same thing. He had problems at home and at school, mostly centered around his parent's divorce. He shot himself with the gun left behind by his dad.
I was extremely angry at him for doing this. Especially to his sisters, who got very fucked up over this and never really got over it. His mom got all messed up, too. She felt guilty for the divorce and for having the gun in the house.
That one instant of not thinking clearly of what he was doing to others... the ones who really loved him... destroyed the ones who loved him. I say it is selfish because it places all of the pain he felt in his life and transferred it to this mother and sisters... as well as his brother and his friends.
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the thing about suicide........some think it's selfish and for the weak minded. but they are not weak.
The depressed mind is a diseased mind. I didn't understand this until I suffered from it myself. DAILY. Today. yesterday. And I'm guessing tomorrow. I'm still here, probably because of meds.
the suicidal mind is an irrational mind. it is not selfish as depression takes the ability to think of others away. selfish is knowing how you are affecting others but doing it anyway. most, if not all, suicidal people think they are doing their loved ones a favor by ending it, at the same time as ending their own pain. So it's actually more selfless than selfish in the depressed one's mind. they think they are a detriment to society and family.
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being angry at someone who committed suicide is a selfish act ... should a person suffer internally so that he or she may play a particular role in another's life? ... ya - maybe if we're talking young kids but in the end ... where is the compassion for the person suffering!?
the thing about suicide........some think it's selfish and for the weak minded. but they are not weak.
The depressed mind is a diseased mind. I didn't understand this until I suffered from it myself. DAILY. Today. yesterday. And I'm guessing tomorrow. I'm still here, probably because of meds.
the suicidal mind is an irrational mind. it is not selfish as depression takes the ability to think of others away. selfish is knowing how you are affecting others but doing it anyway. most, if not all, suicidal people think they are doing their loved ones a favor by ending it, at the same time as ending their own pain. So it's actually more selfless than selfish in the depressed one's mind. they think they are a detriment to society and family.
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But, you hang in there, right?
i can only imagine what servere depression would be like... no... i can't even imagine what it would be like. And you bring up a true point... the thoughts being irrational. They do not think about the mass of human wreckage they leave behind for others to deal with because they falsely believe that they ones they love and who love them will be better off without them.
It is a tough call, but from all of the suicides that have taken place.... how often have we heard someone say, 'Yeah... I'm glad he/she killed himself/herself. We are better off, now that that burden is off our shoulders'? My guess, never to extremely rare occasions.
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Hang in there, friend. The world is so much more interesting with you in it.
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being angry at someone who committed suicide is a selfish act ... should a person suffer internally so that he or she may play a particular role in another's life? ... ya - maybe if we're talking young kids but in the end ... where is the compassion for the person suffering!?
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There is compassion. But, in the case I described... it was tragic for the living.
His older sister was the one who found him when she got home from school. His little brother tried to clean up the blood because he didn't want his mom to see it. That family really got fucked up after that. None of them finished school and I know his oldest sister got into lots of trouble with the cops. She thought that her teasing him as a kid was to blame. i hold a ton of compassion for those innocense that was destroyed that day.
These were nice people... whose futures were probably going to be different. Selfish or selfless... either way, it had a profound impact on the lives of the people who loved him the most.
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Yeah, I finally got over it. but, it was many years after. I don't know what became of his family, but in the 10 or so years after he killed himself, they were still suffering from it.
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There is compassion. But, in the case I described... it was tragic for the living.
His older sister was the one who found him when she got home from school. His little brother tried to clean up the blood because he didn't want his mom to see it. That family really got fucked up after that. None of them finished school and I know his oldest sister got into lots of trouble with the cops. She thought that her teasing him as a kid was to blame. i hold a ton of compassion for those innocense that was destroyed that day.
These were nice people... whose futures were probably going to be different. Selfish or selfless... either way, it had a profound impact on the lives of the people who loved him the most.
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Yeah, I finally got over it. but, it was many years after. I don't know what became of his family, but in the 10 or so years after he killed himself, they were still suffering from it.
sure ... those are the consequences ... but similar to the person who committed suicide letting his torment get to him ... the same can be said for the people who suffered after ... if we expect someone to not go the route of suicide should we then not expect that people who experienced suicide to let it go? ...
in the end - it's clearly a tragic event for everyone involved ... my only point is simply that if continue to demonize people who commit suicide as being selfish ... we learn nothing nor do we move towards a world where there is less ... there are real reasons why someone would consider suicide ... the validity of those reasons are not for us to judge but simply to accept ... and if we want to prevent this from happening again we need to listen ...
the suicidal mind is an irrational mind. it is not selfish as depression takes the ability to think of others away. selfish is knowing how you are affecting others but doing it anyway. most, if not all, suicidal people think they are doing their loved ones a favor by ending it, at the same time as ending their own pain. So it's actually more selfless than selfish in the depressed one's mind. they think they are a detriment to society and family.
I can't underscore this enough. While some people suicide out of anger at someone, the majority cannot think clearly about the future or the consequences of their actions. Depression is a horrible disease.
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But, you hang in there, right?
i can only imagine what servere depression would be like... no... i can't even imagine what it would be like. And you bring up a true point... the thoughts being irrational. They do not think about the mass of human wreckage they leave behind for others to deal with because they falsely believe that they ones they love and who love them will be better off without them.
It is a tough call, but from all of the suicides that have taken place.... how often have we heard someone say, 'Yeah... I'm glad he/she killed himself/herself. We are better off, now that that burden is off our shoulders'? My guess, never to extremely rare occasions.
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Hang in there, friend. The world is so much more interesting with you in it.
yes, I do hang in there. sometimes I think life would be so much easier without loved ones...then I wouldn't be accountable for actually doing it. I think about it a lot. All I can think of is how much my daughters would be f**ked up because of it. A friend of mine's brother did it. Wife. Two young kids. They are still f**ked. And his wife found him hanging in their closet. That's one of the things I think about the most. How I could do it so as to minimize the trauma to the person who found me. A buddy of mine drove out into the country and blew his head off in his car. A girl I knew did it with pills. A co workers step-daughter hung herself in her room.
Of course no one wishes someone to commit suicide. that's the point. the person thinking the world is better off without them is not thinking rationally.
I am probably still alive because I'm so open to people with my emotions. Most of my friends know I'm on "crazy pills", I was in regular contact during my lowest period with my Mother, who basically told me one day on the phone "that's it-your dad is coming to pick you up right now and you're heading to the doctor". Others aren't so lucky. They don't have that support system. They aren't as open as I am in their personality. Things like that. So just because I'm here and someone else isn't doesn't mean I'm stronger than them. It just means we have different circumstances.
Believe me.......as I noted above, I've known several people who committed suicide. And for all my personal experiences and knowledge on the subject, I still get angry at them. That's natural. I wouldn't go so far as to say that this is a selfish reaction as polaris said.......I suppose all of our emotions could be considered selfish, really, but I also understand why people do it and try my best not to judge them for it.
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Yes, so true, who are we to judge?
I wish suicide was not an option, but it is, I understand thinking it is.
I tell my young people to not consider it an option but they don't listen....
I didn't listen.
They must learn for themselves, all I can do is hope and pray they do.
This is one subject one must figure out themselves. To live or not to live.
I don't think most people are sorry when they choose life.
Time heals, if this lovely lady had just given some more time....
time, love could have surrounded her I know it.
Just wait it out, don't do it, don't do it.
Believe me.......as I noted above, I've known several people who committed suicide. And for all my personal experiences and knowledge on the subject, I still get angry at them. That's natural. I wouldn't go so far as to say that this is a selfish reaction as polaris said.......I suppose all of our emotions could be considered selfish, really, but I also understand why people do it and try my best not to judge them for it.
i should clarify that i actually don't believe feeling anger at someone who commits suicide is selfish ... it was a response to saying someone who does is selfish ... when taken in the same context - it should be applied everywhere is all ... hence the note about semantics ...
sure ... those are the consequences ... but similar to the person who committed suicide letting his torment get to him ... the same can be said for the people who suffered after ... if we expect someone to not go the route of suicide should we then not expect that people who experienced suicide to let it go? ...
in the end - it's clearly a tragic event for everyone involved ... my only point is simply that if continue to demonize people who commit suicide as being selfish ... we learn nothing nor do we move towards a world where there is less ... there are real reasons why someone would consider suicide ... the validity of those reasons are not for us to judge but simply to accept ... and if we want to prevent this from happening again we need to listen ...
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True. I don't know how the story ends because I lost contact with them a long time ago.
All i can go by is the experience i had with them during that time. And it was profound. The youngest brother, for example. He had to be about 11, maybe. I ran into him later when he was 19 or so. He got kicked out of the Navy on a medical discharge because of his drug use. He spoke rather frankly about his brother, Steve, and told me they were still finding little bone fragments and pieces of scalp with hair attached, years afterwards. He talked about it like we we talking about cars or something. Maybe, it was part of his healing, but, it was pretty odd to hear.
He told me he hadn't seen his sisters in about 5 years... last he heard they were living in some other state and that the oldest one might still be in jail.
Anyway, I do see your point. maybe 'selfish' isn't the right term... but, the result was, Steve's pain was thrust upon an 11 year old boy who probably didn't deserve such a fate.
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I'd also add... none of our friend's saw this coming... but, really, what did we know? We were just kids, struggling through teenagehood, too.
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sure ... those are the consequences ... but similar to the person who committed suicide letting his torment get to him ... the same can be said for the people who suffered after ... if we expect someone to not go the route of suicide should we then not expect that people who experienced suicide to let it go? ...
in the end - it's clearly a tragic event for everyone involved ... my only point is simply that if continue to demonize people who commit suicide as being selfish ... we learn nothing nor do we move towards a world where there is less ... there are real reasons why someone would consider suicide ... the validity of those reasons are not for us to judge but simply to accept ... and if we want to prevent this from happening again we need to listen ...
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True. I don't know how the story ends because I lost contact with them a long time ago.
All i can go by is the experience i had with them during that time. And it was profound. The youngest brother, for example. He had to be about 11, maybe. I ran into him later when he was 19 or so. He got kicked out of the Navy on a medical discharge because of his drug use. He spoke rather frankly about his brother, Steve, and told me they were still finding little bone fragments and pieces of scalp with hair attached, years afterwards. He talked about it like we we talking about cars or something. Maybe, it was part of his healing, but, it was pretty odd to hear.
He told me he hadn't seen his sisters in about 5 years... last he heard they were living in some other state and that the oldest one might still be in jail.
Anyway, I do see your point. maybe 'selfish' isn't the right term... but, the result was, Steve's pain was thrust upon an 11 year old boy who probably didn't deserve such a fate.
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I'd also add... none of our friend's saw this coming... but, really, what did we know? We were just kids, struggling through teenagehood, too.
that's one of the hardest things to deal with. no one actually believes that someone is going to do it, regardless if they act depressed or not. because it seems like such a leap to take. when I hear this, that people are shocked, it tells me the person was probably ashamed of the stigma that still exists towards depression and did their best to hide it. and it's so sad, because it is a medical condition, but the shame is still there, like we can control it as it is "just a bad day" or however the person justifies it to themselves. and no one wants to admit it. they might think they'll get locked up for the shit that goes through their mind. believe me, it ain't no treat being in my head a lot of the time. and it's relatively easy to say that on the internet. it's 1000 times harder to admit it to others, as well as yourself.
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we had a board member commit suicide 7 or 8 years ago. Jessie Kasper. I'll never forget her name or her photo. very sad time to be a member here back then. there is a memorial for on her on facebook somewhere. her friends and family are still trying to deal with it. :(
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
we had a board member commit suicide 7 or 8 years ago. Jessie Kasper. I'll never forget her name or her photo. very sad time to be a member here back then. there is a memorial for on her on facebook somewhere. her friends and family are still trying to deal with it. :(
how does one come to find out a board member died? did she know another board member and their family? if I was gone one day, everyone here would probably think I just got banned/left.
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we had a board member commit suicide 7 or 8 years ago. Jessie Kasper. I'll never forget her name or her photo. very sad time to be a member here back then. there is a memorial for on her on facebook somewhere. her friends and family are still trying to deal with it. :(
how does one come to find out a board member died? did she know another board member and their family? if I was gone one day, everyone here would probably think I just got banned/left.
she had friends and family on here.
yeah nobody would know if anything happened to most of us unless we had friends or family to tell people on here.
kinda morbid to think about. kinda makes you wonder about the formerly prolific posters that are no longer around...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
how does one come to find out a board member died? did she know another board member and their family? if I was gone one day, everyone here would probably think I just got banned/left.
she had friends and family on here.
yeah nobody would know if anything happened to most of us unless we had friends or family to tell people on here.
kinda morbid to think about. kinda makes you wonder about the formerly prolific posters that are no longer around...
we had a board member commit suicide 7 or 8 years ago. Jessie Kasper. I'll never forget her name or her photo. very sad time to be a member here back then. there is a memorial for on her on facebook somewhere. her friends and family are still trying to deal with it. :(
how does one come to find out a board member died? did she know another board member and their family? if I was gone one day, everyone here would probably think I just got banned/left.
she had friends and family on here.
yeah nobody would know if anything happened to most of us unless we had friends or family to tell people on here.
kinda morbid to think about. kinda makes you wonder about the formerly prolific posters that are no longer around...
Happened on the Red Mosquito forum a few years ago to a guy as well.
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Wow, can you be that stupid to think that the queen would be calling a public line to speak with her inlaw in the first place. That is all that needs to be said about this whole situation. Well that and M-5!
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Wow, can you be that stupid to think that the queen would be calling a public line to speak with her inlaw in the first place. That is all that needs to be said about this whole situation. Well that and M-5!
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Wow, can you be that stupid to think that the queen would be calling a public line to speak with her inlaw in the first place. That is all that needs to be said about this whole situation. Well that and M-5!
classy.
It's easy to get indignant after an episode like this, but think logically: How in the world did she possibly think she got a direct call from the Queen and Prince Charles....who had horrible fake British accents? As the radio hosts said: they were sure 100 other radio stations and pranksters would already have tried to call the hospital.
And SHAME on the hospital for not having a formal inquiry response. There's no way the call should have been handled by the nurse.
It sucks on many levels, but I do not blame the radio hosts in the slightest bit. This was a REALLY innocent prank. Unfortunately the victim responded by taking her own life after feeling humiliated. She should have felt silly, made a little public appearance, and let the episode just fade away. Nobody would remember the story in a week.
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
It's easy to get indignant after an episode like this, but think logically: How in the world did she possibly think she got a direct call from the Queen and Prince Charles....who had horrible fake British accents? As the radio hosts said: they were sure 100 other radio stations and pranksters would already have tried to call the hospital.
And SHAME on the hospital for not having a formal inquiry response. There's no way the call should have been handled by the nurse.
It sucks on many levels, but I do not blame the radio hosts in the slightest bit. This was a REALLY innocent prank. Unfortunately the victim responded by taking her own life after feeling humiliated. She should have felt silly, made a little public appearance, and let the episode just fade away. Nobody would remember the story in a week.
i believe she was not the person who normally answers the phone ... that person was away so she answered the phone to help out ...
i think the people who want to brush this off continue to forget that:
1. this "prank" led to a major security breach and the disclosure of private information of a major public figure ... and that regardless of whether she takes her own life or not - she could have very well lost her job ... are we that shallow of a society that we take pleasure in someone like this losing her job?
2. the radio station did not follow standard protocols of gaining permission from the person the prank was on to broadcast ... there is a reason why that protocol is in place ...
Wow, can you be that stupid to think that the queen would be calling a public line to speak with her inlaw in the first place. That is all that needs to be said about this whole situation. Well that and M-5!
classy.
I'll wear my tux next time to spice it up. It's the comment section to leave a comment you believe in.
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It's easy to get indignant after an episode like this, but think logically: How in the world did she possibly think she got a direct call from the Queen and Prince Charles....who had horrible fake British accents? As the radio hosts said: they were sure 100 other radio stations and pranksters would already have tried to call the hospital.
And SHAME on the hospital for not having a formal inquiry response. There's no way the call should have been handled by the nurse.
It sucks on many levels, but I do not blame the radio hosts in the slightest bit. This was a REALLY innocent prank. Unfortunately the victim responded by taking her own life after feeling humiliated. She should have felt silly, made a little public appearance, and let the episode just fade away. Nobody would remember the story in a week.
i believe she was not the person who normally answers the phone ... that person was away so she answered the phone to help out ...
i think the people who want to brush this off continue to forget that:
1. this "prank" led to a major security breach and the disclosure of private information of a major public figure ... and that regardless of whether she takes her own life or not - she could have very well lost her job ... are we that shallow of a society that we take pleasure in someone like this losing her job?
2. the radio station did not follow standard protocols of gaining permission from the person the prank was on to broadcast ... there is a reason why that protocol is in place ...
Because nobody on this board has listened to their local radio stations and had a giggle when they call up somebody and make them look bad live on the air. Or watched that inane show punked and wondered how it is even on t.v..
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As I've already posted, the woman who answered the phone was an immigrant and not a native English speaker. How would she recognize the accents as phony? Referring to someone as stupid for mishandling something that wasn't even her job is harsh.
As I've already posted, the woman who answered the phone was an immigrant and not a native English speaker. How would she recognize the accents as phony? Referring to someone as stupid for mishandling something that wasn't even her job is harsh.
I am not calling her stupid. She just had no common sense. The next time my phone rings and someone claims to be the queen, I'm probably going to think it's a prank call.
You can take the suicide out of this story, and suddenly the discussion is very different.
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i think the people who want to brush this off continue to forget that:
1. this "prank" led to a major security breach and the disclosure of private information of a major public figure ... and that regardless of whether she takes her own life or not - she could have very well lost her job ... are we that shallow of a society that we take pleasure in someone like this losing her job?
2. the radio station did not follow standard protocols of gaining permission from the person the prank was on to broadcast ... there is a reason why that protocol is in place ...
1) I know. the nurse, even though answering phones is not her primary job function, should not give out private information to ANYONE who calls, without proper authorization. I do not take pleasure in anyone losing their job, nor did I ever state as such.
2) I do not know Australian radio prank call protocol. In the U.S. it is illegal to conduct prank calls on the air...which is why it's hilarious that stations keep airing "prank calls" and people believe they are real.
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i don't want to get into semantics here but i think that this perception that people who commit suicide are selfish is simply a projection and not based in any fact ... i don't think people come to the conclusion to commit suicide lightly and i am guessing that loved ones are considerations ... either way - we don't know what's in the scope ... we also don't know what kind of suffering a person is going through to warrant this act ... unless one can put themselves in another person's shoes - we can only judge ... and it does nothing to help people in similar situations nor acknowledge that a person who does decide to commit suicide has likely suffered significantly in their life ...
i eventually forgave him for that but it took me a long time.. it took me experiencing similar feelings of depression and despair and helplessness to fully forgive him.
but if you are the person in pain you are not thinking about other people. you are thinking about making the emotional pain stop. people who commit suicide most times are not thinking clearly. their main goal is to eliminate the pain at all costs. i am not sure if that is selfish or not.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
My friend when we were in high school, Steve, did the same thing. He had problems at home and at school, mostly centered around his parent's divorce. He shot himself with the gun left behind by his dad.
I was extremely angry at him for doing this. Especially to his sisters, who got very fucked up over this and never really got over it. His mom got all messed up, too. She felt guilty for the divorce and for having the gun in the house.
That one instant of not thinking clearly of what he was doing to others... the ones who really loved him... destroyed the ones who loved him. I say it is selfish because it places all of the pain he felt in his life and transferred it to this mother and sisters... as well as his brother and his friends.
Hail, Hail!!!
The depressed mind is a diseased mind. I didn't understand this until I suffered from it myself. DAILY. Today. yesterday. And I'm guessing tomorrow. I'm still here, probably because of meds.
the suicidal mind is an irrational mind. it is not selfish as depression takes the ability to think of others away. selfish is knowing how you are affecting others but doing it anyway. most, if not all, suicidal people think they are doing their loved ones a favor by ending it, at the same time as ending their own pain. So it's actually more selfless than selfish in the depressed one's mind. they think they are a detriment to society and family.
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But, you hang in there, right?
i can only imagine what servere depression would be like... no... i can't even imagine what it would be like. And you bring up a true point... the thoughts being irrational. They do not think about the mass of human wreckage they leave behind for others to deal with because they falsely believe that they ones they love and who love them will be better off without them.
It is a tough call, but from all of the suicides that have taken place.... how often have we heard someone say, 'Yeah... I'm glad he/she killed himself/herself. We are better off, now that that burden is off our shoulders'? My guess, never to extremely rare occasions.
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Hang in there, friend. The world is so much more interesting with you in it.
Hail, Hail!!!
There is compassion. But, in the case I described... it was tragic for the living.
His older sister was the one who found him when she got home from school. His little brother tried to clean up the blood because he didn't want his mom to see it. That family really got fucked up after that. None of them finished school and I know his oldest sister got into lots of trouble with the cops. She thought that her teasing him as a kid was to blame. i hold a ton of compassion for those innocense that was destroyed that day.
These were nice people... whose futures were probably going to be different. Selfish or selfless... either way, it had a profound impact on the lives of the people who loved him the most.
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Yeah, I finally got over it. but, it was many years after. I don't know what became of his family, but in the 10 or so years after he killed himself, they were still suffering from it.
Hail, Hail!!!
sure ... those are the consequences ... but similar to the person who committed suicide letting his torment get to him ... the same can be said for the people who suffered after ... if we expect someone to not go the route of suicide should we then not expect that people who experienced suicide to let it go? ...
in the end - it's clearly a tragic event for everyone involved ... my only point is simply that if continue to demonize people who commit suicide as being selfish ... we learn nothing nor do we move towards a world where there is less ... there are real reasons why someone would consider suicide ... the validity of those reasons are not for us to judge but simply to accept ... and if we want to prevent this from happening again we need to listen ...
yes, I do hang in there. sometimes I think life would be so much easier without loved ones...then I wouldn't be accountable for actually doing it. I think about it a lot. All I can think of is how much my daughters would be f**ked up because of it. A friend of mine's brother did it. Wife. Two young kids. They are still f**ked. And his wife found him hanging in their closet. That's one of the things I think about the most. How I could do it so as to minimize the trauma to the person who found me. A buddy of mine drove out into the country and blew his head off in his car. A girl I knew did it with pills. A co workers step-daughter hung herself in her room.
Of course no one wishes someone to commit suicide. that's the point. the person thinking the world is better off without them is not thinking rationally.
I am probably still alive because I'm so open to people with my emotions. Most of my friends know I'm on "crazy pills", I was in regular contact during my lowest period with my Mother, who basically told me one day on the phone "that's it-your dad is coming to pick you up right now and you're heading to the doctor". Others aren't so lucky. They don't have that support system. They aren't as open as I am in their personality. Things like that. So just because I'm here and someone else isn't doesn't mean I'm stronger than them. It just means we have different circumstances.
Believe me.......as I noted above, I've known several people who committed suicide. And for all my personal experiences and knowledge on the subject, I still get angry at them. That's natural. I wouldn't go so far as to say that this is a selfish reaction as polaris said.......I suppose all of our emotions could be considered selfish, really, but I also understand why people do it and try my best not to judge them for it.
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I wish suicide was not an option, but it is, I understand thinking it is.
I tell my young people to not consider it an option but they don't listen....
I didn't listen.
They must learn for themselves, all I can do is hope and pray they do.
This is one subject one must figure out themselves. To live or not to live.
I don't think most people are sorry when they choose life.
Time heals, if this lovely lady had just given some more time....
time, love could have surrounded her I know it.
Just wait it out, don't do it, don't do it.
i should clarify that i actually don't believe feeling anger at someone who commits suicide is selfish ... it was a response to saying someone who does is selfish ... when taken in the same context - it should be applied everywhere is all ... hence the note about semantics ...
True. I don't know how the story ends because I lost contact with them a long time ago.
All i can go by is the experience i had with them during that time. And it was profound. The youngest brother, for example. He had to be about 11, maybe. I ran into him later when he was 19 or so. He got kicked out of the Navy on a medical discharge because of his drug use. He spoke rather frankly about his brother, Steve, and told me they were still finding little bone fragments and pieces of scalp with hair attached, years afterwards. He talked about it like we we talking about cars or something. Maybe, it was part of his healing, but, it was pretty odd to hear.
He told me he hadn't seen his sisters in about 5 years... last he heard they were living in some other state and that the oldest one might still be in jail.
Anyway, I do see your point. maybe 'selfish' isn't the right term... but, the result was, Steve's pain was thrust upon an 11 year old boy who probably didn't deserve such a fate.
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I'd also add... none of our friend's saw this coming... but, really, what did we know? We were just kids, struggling through teenagehood, too.
Hail, Hail!!!
that's one of the hardest things to deal with. no one actually believes that someone is going to do it, regardless if they act depressed or not. because it seems like such a leap to take. when I hear this, that people are shocked, it tells me the person was probably ashamed of the stigma that still exists towards depression and did their best to hide it. and it's so sad, because it is a medical condition, but the shame is still there, like we can control it as it is "just a bad day" or however the person justifies it to themselves. and no one wants to admit it. they might think they'll get locked up for the shit that goes through their mind. believe me, it ain't no treat being in my head a lot of the time. and it's relatively easy to say that on the internet. it's 1000 times harder to admit it to others, as well as yourself.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
how does one come to find out a board member died? did she know another board member and their family? if I was gone one day, everyone here would probably think I just got banned/left.
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yeah nobody would know if anything happened to most of us unless we had friends or family to tell people on here.
kinda morbid to think about. kinda makes you wonder about the formerly prolific posters that are no longer around...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
...dead...
Happened on the Red Mosquito forum a few years ago to a guy as well.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
classy.
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It's easy to get indignant after an episode like this, but think logically: How in the world did she possibly think she got a direct call from the Queen and Prince Charles....who had horrible fake British accents? As the radio hosts said: they were sure 100 other radio stations and pranksters would already have tried to call the hospital.
And SHAME on the hospital for not having a formal inquiry response. There's no way the call should have been handled by the nurse.
It sucks on many levels, but I do not blame the radio hosts in the slightest bit. This was a REALLY innocent prank. Unfortunately the victim responded by taking her own life after feeling humiliated. She should have felt silly, made a little public appearance, and let the episode just fade away. Nobody would remember the story in a week.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
i believe she was not the person who normally answers the phone ... that person was away so she answered the phone to help out ...
i think the people who want to brush this off continue to forget that:
1. this "prank" led to a major security breach and the disclosure of private information of a major public figure ... and that regardless of whether she takes her own life or not - she could have very well lost her job ... are we that shallow of a society that we take pleasure in someone like this losing her job?
2. the radio station did not follow standard protocols of gaining permission from the person the prank was on to broadcast ... there is a reason why that protocol is in place ...
I'll wear my tux next time to spice it up. It's the comment section to leave a comment you believe in.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Because nobody on this board has listened to their local radio stations and had a giggle when they call up somebody and make them look bad live on the air. Or watched that inane show punked and wondered how it is even on t.v..
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I am not calling her stupid. She just had no common sense. The next time my phone rings and someone claims to be the queen, I'm probably going to think it's a prank call.
You can take the suicide out of this story, and suddenly the discussion is very different.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
1) I know. the nurse, even though answering phones is not her primary job function, should not give out private information to ANYONE who calls, without proper authorization. I do not take pleasure in anyone losing their job, nor did I ever state as such.
2) I do not know Australian radio prank call protocol. In the U.S. it is illegal to conduct prank calls on the air...which is why it's hilarious that stations keep airing "prank calls" and people believe they are real.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"