It's quite simple really. You can be leaders of the free world by signing up to UN treaties as a statement of your values and ethics or you can just go and bomb places or be isolationist.
I for one would rather you signed treaties rather than follow the Bush doctrine. You cannot just exploit, oppress and bomb your way to supremacy. You cannot in all good faith unilaterally stand up for free enterprise and democracy when it suits you yet walk away from diplomatic efforts like the UN to make a cheap and misleading political point.
By signing treaties you lead the way by showing the best of America. It appears republicans are more than happy to show the world the worst of America.
America is not the best country in the world - very very far from it, but it could be - just get rid of the corrupt, lying Republican dicks who have caused you and the rest of the world so much pain - they are an embarrassment and undo all the good that your country used to stand for.
Unfortunately the exploitation, oppression, and bombing transcend party lines. Some light research would uncover how getting rid of corrupt lying Republican dicks only seems to clear space for corrupt lying Democrat dicks.
Yes I agree about the lack of values on both sides - your political system appears to favour the corrupt and bribeable politicians.
My point about the Republicans in this instance is related directly to this issue only. Watching the excuses and make believe of the Republicans was laughable. They did this to be obstructionist dicks - nothing else.
It's quite simple really. You can be leaders of the free world by signing up to UN treaties as a statement of your values and ethics or you can just go and bomb places or be isolationist.
I for one would rather you signed treaties rather than follow the Bush doctrine. You cannot just exploit, oppress and bomb your way to supremacy. You cannot in all good faith unilaterally stand up for free enterprise and democracy when it suits you yet walk away from diplomatic efforts like the UN to make a cheap and misleading political point.
By signing treaties you lead the way by showing the best of America. It appears republicans are more than happy to show the world the worst of America.
America is not the best country in the world - very very far from it, but it could be - just get rid of the corrupt, lying Republican dicks who have caused you and the rest of the world so much pain - they are an embarrassment and undo all the good that your country used to stand for.
Treaties are not meant to tell others how to run there country. The agenda for the UN is New World Order, Globe Government. Which is dangerous to Freedom. It is pointless to sign? Americas values and ethic are already clear. We have nothing to prove.
Unfortunately the exploitation, oppression, and bombing transcend party lines. Some light research would uncover how getting rid of corrupt lying Republican dicks only seems to clear space for corrupt lying Democrat dicks.
Yes I agree about the lack of values on both sides - your political system appears to favour the corrupt and bribeable politicians.
My point about the Republicans in this instance is related directly to this issue only. Watching the excuses and make believe of the Republicans was laughable. They did this to be obstructionist dicks - nothing else.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
It's quite simple really. You can be leaders of the free world by signing up to UN treaties as a statement of your values and ethics or you can just go and bomb places or be isolationist.
I for one would rather you signed treaties rather than follow the Bush doctrine. You cannot just exploit, oppress and bomb your way to supremacy. You cannot in all good faith unilaterally stand up for free enterprise and democracy when it suits you yet walk away from diplomatic efforts like the UN to make a cheap and misleading political point.
By signing treaties you lead the way by showing the best of America. It appears republicans are more than happy to show the world the worst of America.
America is not the best country in the world - very very far from it, but it could be - just get rid of the corrupt, lying Republican dicks who have caused you and the rest of the world so much pain - they are an embarrassment and undo all the good that your country used to stand for.
Unfortunately the exploitation, oppression, and bombing transcend party lines. Some light research would uncover how getting rid of corrupt lying Republican dicks only seems to clear space for corrupt lying Democrat dicks.
Yes I agree about the lack of values on both sides - your political system appears to favour the corrupt and bribeable politicians.
My point about the Republicans in this instance is related directly to this issue only. Watching the excuses and make believe of the Republicans was laughable. They did this to be obstructionist dicks - nothing else.
Treaties are not meant to tell others how to run there country. The agenda for the UN is New World Order, Globe Government. Which is dangerous to Freedom. It is pointless to sign? Americas values and ethic are already clear. We have nothing to prove.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Democrats play off of ones emotions and they are masterful at it! They divide us and demogogue the Republicans! Guess what....I wouldnt vote for this either cause there is no way that the UN govt. body is going to tell me or my loved ones how to treat my disabled family member. Treaty is a bad word for signing over our freedoms little by little....so noone notices! We accept things slowly until one day...we wake up and wonder what happened!
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It's quite simple really. You can be leaders of the free world by signing up to UN treaties as a statement of your values and ethics or you can just go and bomb places or be isolationist.
I for one would rather you signed treaties rather than follow the Bush doctrine. You cannot just exploit, oppress and bomb your way to supremacy. You cannot in all good faith unilaterally stand up for free enterprise and democracy when it suits you yet walk away from diplomatic efforts like the UN to make a cheap and misleading political point.
By signing treaties you lead the way by showing the best of America. It appears republicans are more than happy to show the world the worst of America.
America is not the best country in the world - very very far from it, but it could be - just get rid of the corrupt, lying Republican dicks who have caused you and the rest of the world so much pain - they are an embarrassment and undo all the good that your country used to stand for.
Unfortunately the exploitation, oppression, and bombing transcend party lines. Some light research would uncover how getting rid of corrupt lying Republican dicks only seems to clear space for corrupt lying Democrat dicks.
Yes I agree about the lack of values on both sides - your political system appears to favour the corrupt and bribeable politicians.
My point about the Republicans in this instance is related directly to this issue only. Watching the excuses and make believe of the Republicans was laughable. They did this to be obstructionist dicks - nothing else.
Not necessarily. I can't speak to each individual's motivation, but there's a strong case to be made for not involving yourself with the notion of a global authority. It may come across as odd on some issues, but there's a very principle-based argument for such a decision.
Actually, no it is not. A vote against this is just that: a vote against it. You have to make some leaps in logic to equate the two which is disingenuous.
Actually, no it is not. A vote against this is just that: a vote against it. You have to make some leaps in logic to equate the two which is disingenuous.
Clearly, you aren't disabled. Because this treaty is for equal treatment worldwide for those who are disabled. Any idiot with a heart would have voted yes on this treaty and that goes for republicans. Bob Dole, McCain, they voted for it, not sure why McCain did, but Dole is in a wheelchair. But the losers without a heart? They use politics to vote, not only because they don't have a heart, but because they refuse to understand the basis of what this treaty is all about: those who are not given the same rights as everyone else! Voting against human rights is a selfish and dirty tactic.
Actually, no it is not. A vote against this is just that: a vote against it. You have to make some leaps in logic to equate the two which is disingenuous.
Clearly, you aren't disabled. Because this treaty is for equal treatment worldwide for those who are disabled. Any idiot with a heart would have voted yes on this treaty and that goes for republicans. Bob Dole, McCain, they voted for it, not sure why McCain did, but Dole is in a wheelchair. But the losers without a heart? They use politics to vote, not only because they don't have a heart, but because they refuse to understand the basis of what this treaty is all about: those who are not given the same rights as everyone else! Voting against human rights is a selfish and dirty tactic.
Yes, insult those that would even dare to come to different conclusions than yourself. That's sure to get people to be convinced you are right. As has been pointed out before, the US already set the precedent with passage of the ADA. Not ratifying this treaty doesn't magically repeal that, does it?
My point still stands, this was not a treaty where the vote was to be for cruelty. It was a vote to ratify a disability treaty. Voting against that does not inherently mean you support cruelty.
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Actually, no it is not. A vote against this is just that: a vote against it. You have to make some leaps in logic to equate the two which is disingenuous.
Clearly, you aren't disabled. Because this treaty is for equal treatment worldwide for those who are disabled. Any idiot with a heart would have voted yes on this treaty and that goes for republicans. Bob Dole, McCain, they voted for it, not sure why McCain did, but Dole is in a wheelchair. But the losers without a heart? They use politics to vote, not only because they don't have a heart, but because they refuse to understand the basis of what this treaty is all about: those who are not given the same rights as everyone else! Voting against human rights is a selfish and dirty tactic.
Yes, insult those that would even dare to come to different conclusions than yourself. That's sure to get people to be convinced you are right. As has been pointed out before, the US already set the precedent with passage of the ADA. Not ratifying this treaty doesn't magically repeal that, does it?
My point still stands, this was not a treaty where the vote was to be for cruelty. It was a vote to ratify a disability treaty. Voting against that does not inherently mean you support cruelty.
I'll grant you that my choice of words may not be perfect or perfectly accurate but having worked with people with disabilities and with myself having acquired a permanent partial disability with hearing issues I know how it feels to be dismissed, even by medical "professionals". My injury initially lead to life threatening depression and anxiety and it was very difficult for me to find adequate help. I received some pretty rough and severe abuse a few times while going though that trauma. To often, people with difficult problems or disabilities are treated as a nuisance (or worse). And I'm not talking about people who are sometimes described as "bottomless pits"- the kind of people that no matter what you do for them, they will find a reason to me miserable and seek negative attention. (That's a different and even more difficult situation but reasonable care should be extended, even then.) I mean a typical person with a disability seeking a way to make the most of their life. There's no reason those people should not universally be given the kind of treatment we receive under the ADA. And even that, here in the US, in my experience, is often marginal in its scope and yes, sometimes cruelty is what is extended to some with disabilities-- even in this country.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
policies should never win your emotions! Use common sense. This treaty puts power in the hands of the UN govt. body to make decisions on peoples kids and family members who are US citizens! They dont want this! The family members and parents of the disabled, DONT WANT THIS TREATY!
Cmon people dont use your emotions here or ever! Thats when you are BOUGHT
BE SMART
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
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Yes I agree about the lack of values on both sides - your political system appears to favour the corrupt and bribeable politicians.
My point about the Republicans in this instance is related directly to this issue only. Watching the excuses and make believe of the Republicans was laughable. They did this to be obstructionist dicks - nothing else.
Treaties are not meant to tell others how to run there country. The agenda for the UN is New World Order, Globe Government. Which is dangerous to Freedom. It is pointless to sign? Americas values and ethic are already clear. We have nothing to prove.
Democrats play off of ones emotions and they are masterful at it! They divide us and demogogue the Republicans! Guess what....I wouldnt vote for this either cause there is no way that the UN govt. body is going to tell me or my loved ones how to treat my disabled family member. Treaty is a bad word for signing over our freedoms little by little....so noone notices! We accept things slowly until one day...we wake up and wonder what happened!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Not necessarily. I can't speak to each individual's motivation, but there's a strong case to be made for not involving yourself with the notion of a global authority. It may come across as odd on some issues, but there's a very principle-based argument for such a decision.
Actually, no it is not. A vote against this is just that: a vote against it. You have to make some leaps in logic to equate the two which is disingenuous.
Clearly, you aren't disabled. Because this treaty is for equal treatment worldwide for those who are disabled. Any idiot with a heart would have voted yes on this treaty and that goes for republicans. Bob Dole, McCain, they voted for it, not sure why McCain did, but Dole is in a wheelchair. But the losers without a heart? They use politics to vote, not only because they don't have a heart, but because they refuse to understand the basis of what this treaty is all about: those who are not given the same rights as everyone else! Voting against human rights is a selfish and dirty tactic.
Yes, insult those that would even dare to come to different conclusions than yourself. That's sure to get people to be convinced you are right. As has been pointed out before, the US already set the precedent with passage of the ADA. Not ratifying this treaty doesn't magically repeal that, does it?
My point still stands, this was not a treaty where the vote was to be for cruelty. It was a vote to ratify a disability treaty. Voting against that does not inherently mean you support cruelty.
I'll grant you that my choice of words may not be perfect or perfectly accurate but having worked with people with disabilities and with myself having acquired a permanent partial disability with hearing issues I know how it feels to be dismissed, even by medical "professionals". My injury initially lead to life threatening depression and anxiety and it was very difficult for me to find adequate help. I received some pretty rough and severe abuse a few times while going though that trauma. To often, people with difficult problems or disabilities are treated as a nuisance (or worse). And I'm not talking about people who are sometimes described as "bottomless pits"- the kind of people that no matter what you do for them, they will find a reason to me miserable and seek negative attention. (That's a different and even more difficult situation but reasonable care should be extended, even then.) I mean a typical person with a disability seeking a way to make the most of their life. There's no reason those people should not universally be given the kind of treatment we receive under the ADA. And even that, here in the US, in my experience, is often marginal in its scope and yes, sometimes cruelty is what is extended to some with disabilities-- even in this country.
Cmon people dont use your emotions here or ever! Thats when you are BOUGHT
BE SMART
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!