go back 100 years until you reach 0. You would have a hard time understanding someone from 1912 let alone 512.
Language changes. it is almost more interesting to talk about why and how it changes rather than lament it.
But I think one can do both.
(to go off on a small tangent here - sorry, Brian)
Language does change, but at what price? Sacrificing eloquence for expediency? Does it matter, abbreviating words and phrases, if you get your point across?
Semantics aside, I just love language - the connections between them - how some words in Italian, German, French, are similar to their English brothers. How they're woven in ways that can make me stop and actually re-think things, stances, I thought I knew.
How powerful they can be, even sometimes more than a tangible weapon.
Lyrics, literature...simple letters, like the ones my parents traded when they were courting...like the emails Danny and I sent eachother in our first couple of years, where we didn't use LOL and BRB but actually WROTE.
Sure we may use words differently, but as long as there is respect for their intent, their context, it's all good by me.
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Language changes. it is almost more interesting to talk about why and how it changes rather than lament it.
:thumbup:
I get what you're both saying and I'm ok with that. This wasn't meant to be about keeping language archaic. I would absolutely flounder verbally if I were suddenly transported back to Shakespearean times.
The two points I was trying to make here initially were:
1) The marked difference- even in today's language- between feelings and beliefs, and the importance of expressing which of the two you mean if you want to be understood correctly.
2) The other point I made initially related to the psychology of saying something like "You make me feel bad when you say my green hair looks funny", or "That book getting lost made me feel stupid." When we say these things we are doing one or both of two things- either giving away our personal power or avoiding being responsible for our own actions. I can't make you feel anything other than physical pain. You might be more apt to have your feelings hurt if I poke fun at your green hair but I can't make you feel hurt. You let that happen. The book didn't make you feel stupid because you lost it. Either you made yourself feel stupid for losing it or it was stolen in which case there was no reason for feeling stupid in the first place. So the message is this- don't give your power away and be responsible for your own thoughts and actions.
Edit: My apologies if this sounds like a rant or a lecture. It's not meant to be. I just think good communication is important. Remember- and this is important- I can be as full of shit and as stupid as the next guy. :P
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
belief requires faith... faith that you are correct in what it is you believe. to feel requires no faith. when i feel a need to go to the shops what that tells me is that i am restless and need an activity to relieve that. i dont necessarily need to buy anything at the shops, yet that wont stop me from possibly buying something/anything once im there.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Not very many of us have ever spoken like Shakespeare.
While I also get what Brian's trying to say, I'll try to explain myself and briefly unearth my credentials. I have both BA and MA degrees in English and taught college English for 4 years, mostly ESL. So I know a little bit about the subject but I'm hardly "the" expert.*
Besides the fact that language is fluid (constantly evolving, creating new words, borrowing from other languages), the rules vary according to usage. As I learned in college, back in prehistoric times, there is an enormous difference between how we use language when we write and when we speak. Written language has (or should have) formal rules for usage. Spoken language varies according to the situation and audience, but it's generally much more informal than written language. Of course, all this was back before there were such things as email, message boards, texts, and any other technological advances you care to add. But those are generally governed by their own sets of rules and again, they tend to be more informal than written language.
Writing will vary in formality. Bear in mind the two principles of rhetoric: audience and purpose. Every form of communication must consider those two things. Who are you trying to reach and why? If you tell the same story to four different people, there's a good chance you may tell it four different ways.
This is why I don't get too worked up about the changes in language. It's a living thing so it keeps changing. The word "smock" (for undergarments) was very vulgar in Shakespeare's day. "Blizzard" used to mean firing a volley from a gun. In the late 19th century, a American newspaperman used it to describe the blinding snowstorms that came down the Western Plains from Canada, and that's how we know the word today. Just a couple of examples of the way language evolves.
My only disappointment is that people seem to take so little interest in language. But that's because it fascinates me. We really limit our options to communicate if we limit our interest in language.
*I rarely talk about this because then everyone expects me to act like an English teacher.
Great post knowledge and understanding ...
"audience and purpose" I remember this from long ago
English teachers always my favorite and many I remember easily today from so long ago.
If you had a nice one they were the nicest people ever. A cool one, the coolest.
I have a feeling that was you.
English my favorite class throughout the years. Although reading in front of the class
with a tiny voice, still tiny, is remembered as nightmarish
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belief requires faith... faith that you are correct in what it is you believe. to feel requires no faith. when i feel a need to go to the shops what that tells me is that i am restless and need an activity to relieve that. i dont necessarily need to buy anything at the shops, yet that wont stop me from possibly buying something/anything once im there.
Well said, but I would add that there is a difference between feeling the need to go shopping and saying, "I feel like going shopping". That sentence tells me nothing about how you feel whereas saying, "I feel bored so I think I'll go shopping" does. I can empathize with your feeling bored whereas I cannot empathize with you going shopping. Make sense?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
belief requires faith... faith that you are correct in what it is you believe. to feel requires no faith. when i feel a need to go to the shops what that tells me is that i am restless and need an activity to relieve that. i dont necessarily need to buy anything at the shops, yet that wont stop me from possibly buying something/anything once im there.
Well said, but I would add that there is a difference between feeling the need to go shopping and saying, "I feel like going shopping". That sentence tells me nothing about how you feel whereas saying, "I feel bored so I think I'll go shopping" does. I can empathize with your feeling of boredom whereas I cannot empathize with you going shopping. Make sense?
no it doesnt cause i didnt say boredom i said restless. plus i never feel like going shopping. it is an activity that grinds my bones. for me it is an activity that needs to be endured. however i do know people do go shopping because they are bored and cant think of anything else that will stimulate them and relieve that bordeom and most of the time thye dont even know it.. and this is the cornerstone of our consumerist society. we dont need it but were gonna buy it cause we feel we need to. instant gratification.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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belief requires faith... faith that you are correct in what it is you believe. to feel requires no faith. when i feel a need to go to the shops what that tells me is that i am restless and need an activity to relieve that. i dont necessarily need to buy anything at the shops, yet that wont stop me from possibly buying something/anything once im there.
Well said, but I would add that there is a difference between feeling the need to go shopping and saying, "I feel like going shopping". That sentence tells me nothing about how you feel whereas saying, "I feel bored so I think I'll go shopping" does. I can empathize with your feeling of boredom whereas I cannot empathize with you going shopping. Make sense?
no it doesnt cause i didnt say boredom i said restless. plus i never feel like going shopping. it is an activity that grinds my bones. for me it is an activity that needs to be endured. however i do know people do go shopping because they are bored and cant think of anything else that will stimulate them and relieve that bordeom and most of the time thye dont even know it.. and this is the cornerstone of our consumerist society. we dont need it but were gonna buy it cause we feel we need to. instant gratification.
Good call- you did say "restless".
I feel I've overtaxed my brain today and believe very tired from doing so.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
The other point I made initially related to the psychology of saying something like "You make me feel bad when you say my green hair looks funny", or "That book getting lost made me feel stupid." When we say these things we are doing one or both of two things- either giving away our personal power or avoiding being responsible for our own actions. I can't make you feel anything other than physical pain. You might be more apt to have your feelings hurt if I poke fun at your green hair but I can't make you feel hurt. You let that happen. The book didn't make you feel stupid because you lost it. Either you made yourself feel stupid for losing it or it was stolen in which case there was no reason for feeling stupid in the first place. So the message is this- don't give your power away and be responsible for your own thoughts and actions.
Good point. For many years I've been a health educator and I currently teach workshops in managing diabetes and chronic illnesses. The curriculum was developed at Stanford Medical School and covers a great range of tools that people can use to deal with their chronic conditions. One of the tools we talk about is communication--with your family, your friends, your health care team. We talk about the differences between "I" and "you" messages. "You" messages are the kind you posted: "You hurt me when you make fun of my green hair." An "I" message would be "I feel hurt that you made fun of my hair" or "When you make fun of my hair, I feel hurt." The differences don't seem that great but "you" messages tend to be blaming and confrontational while "I" messages allow you to express yourself honestly while trying to resolve the problem.
These concepts have been around for a long time and I don't know where they originated. But for effective communication, I like them a lot.
Edit: My apologies if this sounds like a rant or a lecture. It's not meant to be. I just think good communication is important. Remember- and this is important- I can be as full of shit and as stupid as the next guy. :P
So I can I. :oops:
I also specialize in being tacky. :P
go back 100 years until you reach 0. You would have a hard time understanding someone from 1912 let alone 512.
Language changes. it is almost more interesting to talk about why and how it changes rather than lament it.
and this is why the english language will live on for avery long time to come.. it is fluid...it evolves... it breathes...if it didnt itd end up as dead as latin. it accepts/steals/borrows words from other languages.. words get co opted and end up with different meanings.. gay for example. hard as an antonym of both soft and easy(when we should use the more 'correct' difficult). not to mention all the variant patois.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Good call- you did say "restless".
I feel I've overtaxed my brain today and believe very tired from doing so.
you believe you are very tired... or you know you are. :P there is a difference between believing and knowing.
I fool so feelish!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post
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The other point I made initially related to the psychology of saying something like "You make me feel bad when you say my green hair looks funny", or "That book getting lost made me feel stupid." When we say these things we are doing one or both of two things- either giving away our personal power or avoiding being responsible for our own actions. I can't make you feel anything other than physical pain. You might be more apt to have your feelings hurt if I poke fun at your green hair but I can't make you feel hurt. You let that happen. The book didn't make you feel stupid because you lost it. Either you made yourself feel stupid for losing it or it was stolen in which case there was no reason for feeling stupid in the first place. So the message is this- don't give your power away and be responsible for your own thoughts and actions.
Good point. For many years I've been a health educator and I currently teach workshops in managing diabetes and chronic illnesses. The curriculum was developed at Stanford Medical School and covers a great range of tools that people can use to deal with their chronic conditions. One of the tools we talk about is communication--with your family, your friends, your health care team. We talk about the differences between "I" and "you" messages. "You" messages are the kind you posted: "You hurt me when you make fun of my green hair." An "I" message would be "I feel hurt that you made fun of my hair" or "When you make fun of my hair, I feel hurt." The differences don't seem that great but "you" messages tend to be blaming and confrontational while "I" messages allow you to express yourself honestly while trying to resolve the problem.
These concepts have been around for a long time and I don't know where they originated. But for effective communication, I like them a lot.
Edit: My apologies if this sounds like a rant or a lecture. It's not meant to be. I just think good communication is important. Remember- and this is important- I can be as full of shit and as stupid as the next guy. :P
So I can I. :oops:
I also specialize in being tacky. :P
Oh my, yes, the I and you messages. I keep working on that one. And working on it. And working on it.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Brian there are certain people who nobody Believe are ever attacking you i Feel are one of them.
...well stated... I think...
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Good point. For many years I've been a health educator and I currently teach workshops in managing diabetes and chronic illnesses. The curriculum was developed at Stanford Medical School and covers a great range of tools that people can use to deal with their chronic conditions. One of the tools we talk about is communication--with your family, your friends, your health care team. We talk about the differences between "I" and "you" messages. "You" messages are the kind you posted: "You hurt me when you make fun of my green hair." An "I" message would be "I feel hurt that you made fun of my hair" or "When you make fun of my hair, I feel hurt." The differences don't seem that great but "you" messages tend to be blaming and confrontational while "I" messages allow you to express yourself honestly while trying to resolve the problem.
These concepts have been around for a long time and I don't know where they originated. But for effective communication, I like them a lot.
I've been married for 8 years. one thing that I can't stand, and that my wife can't grasp, is the difference between this:
"I'm sorry I hurt your feelings"
"I'm sorry your feelings got hurt"
The first one is an apology. The second one takes no ownership of the cause and effect of the person's feelings who got hurt. I know it may sound dumb, but it drives me nuts, as I feel as though I have never actually gotten a real apology from her any time she has fucked up.
if I was to accidentally shoot someone, I wouldn't say "I'm sorry you got shot", cause that could mean that anyone shot that person. I'd say "fuck man, I'm so sorry I shot you!".
She looks at me like I'm crazy. I just want the apology, dammit!
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
My only disappointment is that people seem to take so little interest in language. But that's because it fascinates me. We really limit our options to communicate if we limit our interest in language.
Same here. I studied the French language a long time ago and found all of this fascinating. My daughter is now studying English language (the differences in the languages studied only has to do with where one was/is living at the time of study) and I have 'rediscovered' this. From acquisition to development to how the sexes use language differently via the external influences. A very, very interesting subject.
Edit: My apologies if this sounds like a rant or a lecture. It's not meant to be. I just think good communication is important. Remember- and this is important- I can be as full of shit and as stupid as the next guy. :P
I get you here brianlux. Following my husband's stroke which has left him with slight dysphasia (amongst other things!), I have had to learn to be very precise with my 'wording' during our conversations. There can be no room for confusion as to the meanings I am trying to convey. This really prompted me to dig deep in my brain for all the 'lost' vocabulary and I believe (yes.. believe ) it has done me a huge favour!
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Good point. For many years I've been a health educator and I currently teach workshops in managing diabetes and chronic illnesses. The curriculum was developed at Stanford Medical School and covers a great range of tools that people can use to deal with their chronic conditions. One of the tools we talk about is communication--with your family, your friends, your health care team. We talk about the differences between "I" and "you" messages. "You" messages are the kind you posted: "You hurt me when you make fun of my green hair." An "I" message would be "I feel hurt that you made fun of my hair" or "When you make fun of my hair, I feel hurt." The differences don't seem that great but "you" messages tend to be blaming and confrontational while "I" messages allow you to express yourself honestly while trying to resolve the problem.
These concepts have been around for a long time and I don't know where they originated. But for effective communication, I like them a lot.
I've been married for 8 years. one thing that I can't stand, and that my wife can't grasp, is the difference between this:
"I'm sorry I hurt your feelings"
"I'm sorry your feelings got hurt"
The first one is an apology. The second one takes no ownership of the cause and effect of the person's feelings who got hurt. I know it may sound dumb, but it drives me nuts, as I feel as though I have never actually gotten a real apology from her any time she has fucked up.
if I was to accidentally shoot someone, I wouldn't say "I'm sorry you got shot", cause that could mean that anyone shot that person. I'd say "fuck man, I'm so sorry I shot you!".
She looks at me like I'm crazy. I just want the apology, dammit!
Ouch! I've been guilty of doing that to my wife, Hugh-- saying to my wife, "I'm sorry you feel hurt" instead of saying, "I'm sorry I hurt your feelings". But I also have to say that sometimes it is her problem that she feels hurt (as in if what I say is simple truth) and sometimes it is my problem (as in sometimes I'll say something hurtful that needn't be said). I guess the difficulty is being aware of the difference and being willing to own up- either of us- to our stuff.
Also gotta say- BimauralJam nailed it!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post
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Edit: My apologies if this sounds like a rant or a lecture. It's not meant to be. I just think good communication is important. Remember- and this is important- I can be as full of shit and as stupid as the next guy. :P
I get you here brianlux. Following my husband's stroke which has left him with slight dysphasia (amongst other things!), I have had to learn to be very precise with my 'wording' during our conversations. There can be no room for confusion as to the meanings I am trying to convey. This really prompted me to dig deep in my brain for all the 'lost' vocabulary and I believe (yes.. believe ) it has done me a huge favour!
Kudos to you, Redrock, for big efforts in a difficult situation. What you say here is a good reminder to me to keep my communication clear with those with whom I'm close. It's bad enough that I confuse myself sometimes.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Fun thread.
Yeah, 'I feel sick today' works but to easily use the word believe is another matter - at least for me.
I try to keep the word believe to mean I paid attention to how I feel about, or came to know, something;
'I passionately believe our time is now.'
For me, casual statements don't earn the use of feel and believe no matter how you dress it up; I feel an urgent and overwhelming drive to go to the store --- I wholeheartedly believe someone must commit to a store run. :?
Damn, obviously, suppose or evidently works for me for casual statements; 'Damn, time for another store run. I dibs not to go. However, if the store stall goes on long enough and things get dire, the use of feel and believe then become quite apt; 'I not only feel I'm missing 10 pounds but the scale confirms it and at this rate, I truly believe you best get off yer ass and go to the store lest you feel a chunk of ass missing yourself!
Hows that? I didn't come up with store scenario so you can't fault me for using it to divulge just how much I detest going there!
... I truly believe you best get off yer ass and go to the store lest you feel a chunk of ass missing yourself!
hows this?...
you need to get off your arse and go to the store before i start eating your arse.
From language to cannibalism... only here would that happen!
I once heard it said somewhere that thumbs are a delicacy!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
I love this. One of my pet peeves about myself and others is lack of precision in language. Language is a fun and wonderful thing and certainly writing, as I am here, allows me more precision but I think that is necessary as I cannot convey other emotions or feelings because you guys cannot see me to read my body language. How do I know if someone is attacking me or agreeing with me unless we are precise in our language? I often wonder if that is why I sometimes feel misunderstood by comments I make or ones that others make as well. I wouldn't want to go back to a formalized English for speaking but using proper English in certain situations is definitely needed IMO. Of course, part of the fun of language is trying to understand what someone else means. My human geography students just began their unit on language and I always have them try to decipher regional language from different areas of the country.
What do you call a carbonated beverage? Depends on which region you are from!
And I do call all drinks Coke regardless of what type of carbonated beverage it really is
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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(to go off on a small tangent here - sorry, Brian)
Language does change, but at what price? Sacrificing eloquence for expediency? Does it matter, abbreviating words and phrases, if you get your point across?
Semantics aside, I just love language - the connections between them - how some words in Italian, German, French, are similar to their English brothers. How they're woven in ways that can make me stop and actually re-think things, stances, I thought I knew.
How powerful they can be, even sometimes more than a tangible weapon.
Lyrics, literature...simple letters, like the ones my parents traded when they were courting...like the emails Danny and I sent eachother in our first couple of years, where we didn't use LOL and BRB but actually WROTE.
Sure we may use words differently, but as long as there is respect for their intent, their context, it's all good by me.
I get what you're both saying and I'm ok with that. This wasn't meant to be about keeping language archaic. I would absolutely flounder verbally if I were suddenly transported back to Shakespearean times.
The two points I was trying to make here initially were:
1) The marked difference- even in today's language- between feelings and beliefs, and the importance of expressing which of the two you mean if you want to be understood correctly.
2) The other point I made initially related to the psychology of saying something like "You make me feel bad when you say my green hair looks funny", or "That book getting lost made me feel stupid." When we say these things we are doing one or both of two things- either giving away our personal power or avoiding being responsible for our own actions. I can't make you feel anything other than physical pain. You might be more apt to have your feelings hurt if I poke fun at your green hair but I can't make you feel hurt. You let that happen. The book didn't make you feel stupid because you lost it. Either you made yourself feel stupid for losing it or it was stolen in which case there was no reason for feeling stupid in the first place. So the message is this- don't give your power away and be responsible for your own thoughts and actions.
Edit: My apologies if this sounds like a rant or a lecture. It's not meant to be. I just think good communication is important. Remember- and this is important- I can be as full of shit and as stupid as the next guy. :P
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Great post knowledge and understanding ...
"audience and purpose" I remember this from long ago
English teachers always my favorite and many I remember easily today from so long ago.
If you had a nice one they were the nicest people ever. A cool one, the coolest.
I have a feeling that was you.
English my favorite class throughout the years. Although reading in front of the class
with a tiny voice, still tiny, is remembered as nightmarish
Well said, but I would add that there is a difference between feeling the need to go shopping and saying, "I feel like going shopping". That sentence tells me nothing about how you feel whereas saying, "I feel bored so I think I'll go shopping" does. I can empathize with your feeling bored whereas I cannot empathize with you going shopping. Make sense?
no it doesnt cause i didnt say boredom i said restless. plus i never feel like going shopping. it is an activity that grinds my bones. for me it is an activity that needs to be endured. however i do know people do go shopping because they are bored and cant think of anything else that will stimulate them and relieve that bordeom and most of the time thye dont even know it.. and this is the cornerstone of our consumerist society. we dont need it but were gonna buy it cause we feel we need to. instant gratification.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Good call- you did say "restless".
I feel I've overtaxed my brain today and believe very tired from doing so.
These concepts have been around for a long time and I don't know where they originated. But for effective communication, I like them a lot.
So I can I. :oops:
I also specialize in being tacky. :P
and this is why the english language will live on for avery long time to come.. it is fluid...it evolves... it breathes...if it didnt itd end up as dead as latin. it accepts/steals/borrows words from other languages.. words get co opted and end up with different meanings.. gay for example. hard as an antonym of both soft and easy(when we should use the more 'correct' difficult). not to mention all the variant patois.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
you believe you are very tired... or you know you are. :P
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Oh my, yes, the I and you messages. I keep working on that one. And working on it. And working on it.
welcome to my world :crazy: :crazy:
I've been married for 8 years. one thing that I can't stand, and that my wife can't grasp, is the difference between this:
"I'm sorry I hurt your feelings"
"I'm sorry your feelings got hurt"
The first one is an apology. The second one takes no ownership of the cause and effect of the person's feelings who got hurt. I know it may sound dumb, but it drives me nuts, as I feel as though I have never actually gotten a real apology from her any time she has fucked up.
if I was to accidentally shoot someone, I wouldn't say "I'm sorry you got shot", cause that could mean that anyone shot that person. I'd say "fuck man, I'm so sorry I shot you!".
She looks at me like I'm crazy. I just want the apology, dammit!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I've learned how to say sorry ... now I can't stop! :P
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Same here. I studied the French language a long time ago and found all of this fascinating. My daughter is now studying English language (the differences in the languages studied only has to do with where one was/is living at the time of study) and I have 'rediscovered' this. From acquisition to development to how the sexes use language differently via the external influences. A very, very interesting subject.
I get you here brianlux. Following my husband's stroke which has left him with slight dysphasia (amongst other things!), I have had to learn to be very precise with my 'wording' during our conversations. There can be no room for confusion as to the meanings I am trying to convey. This really prompted me to dig deep in my brain for all the 'lost' vocabulary and I believe (yes.. believe
Ouch! I've been guilty of doing that to my wife, Hugh-- saying to my wife, "I'm sorry you feel hurt" instead of saying, "I'm sorry I hurt your feelings". But I also have to say that sometimes it is her problem that she feels hurt (as in if what I say is simple truth) and sometimes it is my problem (as in sometimes I'll say something hurtful that needn't be said). I guess the difficulty is being aware of the difference and being willing to own up- either of us- to our stuff.
Also gotta say- BimauralJam nailed it!
Kudos to you, Redrock, for big efforts in a difficult situation. What you say here is a good reminder to me to keep my communication clear with those with whom I'm close. It's bad enough that I confuse myself sometimes.
Yeah, 'I feel sick today' works but to easily use the word believe is another matter - at least for me.
I try to keep the word believe to mean I paid attention to how I feel about, or came to know, something;
'I passionately believe our time is now.'
For me, casual statements don't earn the use of feel and believe no matter how you dress it up; I feel an urgent and overwhelming drive to go to the store --- I wholeheartedly believe someone must commit to a store run. :?
Damn, obviously, suppose or evidently works for me for casual statements; 'Damn, time for another store run. I dibs not to go. However, if the store stall goes on long enough and things get dire, the use of feel and believe then become quite apt; 'I not only feel I'm missing 10 pounds but the scale confirms it and at this rate, I truly believe you best get off yer ass and go to the store lest you feel a chunk of ass missing yourself!
Hows that? I didn't come up with store scenario so you can't fault me for using it to divulge just how much I detest going there!
hows this?...
you need to get off your arse and go to the store before i start eating your arse.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
From language to cannibalism... only here would that happen!
I once heard it said somewhere that thumbs are a delicacy!
What do you call a carbonated beverage? Depends on which region you are from!
And I do call all drinks Coke regardless of what type of carbonated beverage it really is
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Same here!
Typical conversation with a visiting friend:
Me: You want a Coke?
Friend: Sure.
Me: What kinda Coke you want? We've got 7 Up, Dr Pepper, Coca Cola . . .