I ignored the war because it was a point not worth discussing. The other two points were. Again, these are all your words. If you don't want to own them, that is on you.
I'll simplify my original post (with annotations):
1) Doesn't it seem like we are in a Wag the Dog scenario (not that Obama caused everything. But, stuff happened similar to the movie - including the war which was/is in the Middle East) that has distracted us from a critical issue
2) Why do we let other issues (no matter how big or small) distract us from an important issue such as wtf happened in Benghazi?
If you think there should be no outrage, or there was no cover up, then so be it. But, I did not mean to say that Obama and his Admnistration orchestrated EVERYTHING - or anything (though I understand that's what happened in the movie). Just that what was happening (including a war) seems to be distracting us from something that at least to me seems very critical to getting to the bottom of so at the very least we don't repeat the errors that led to people's deaths.
And, not to drag him into it, but that meaning of the analogy was not lost on at least 1 person in this community (Thank you, Brian).
The fact that you wanted to bring up buzz words like politicize to distract from a very simple point is wagging the dog itself. So, it is fairly ironic. (yes I did allude to the word as to how Obama successfully thwarted any hope of bringing up this issue in the election run up. Brilliant on his team's part - beat them to the punch.)
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I'll simplify my original post (with annotations):
1) Doesn't it seem like we are in a Wag the Dog scenario (not that Obama caused everything. But, stuff happened similar to the movie - including the war which was/is in the Middle East) that has distracted us from a critical issue
To me it doesn't because I haven't noticed a decrease in the coverage of Benghazi. That is a story that isn't going away. Nor should it.
2) Why do we let other issues (no matter how big or small) distract us from an important issue such as wtf happened in Benghazi?
If you think there should be no outrage, or there was no cover up, then so be it. But, I did not mean to say that Obama and his Admnistration orchestrated EVERYTHING - or anything (though I understand that's what happened in the movie). Just that what was happening (including a war) seems to be distracting us from something that at least to me seems very critical to getting to the bottom of so at the very least we don't repeat the errors that led to people's deaths.
I do think there should be outrage because it does seem like that embassy was not properly protected. Particularly if there were cloak and dagger CIA operations being carried out there. The victims families deserve answers and, as you say, preventing these mistakes from being repeated should be paramount. But I just don't agree there was a coverup.
And, not to drag him into it, but that meaning of the analogy was not lost on at least 1 person in this community (Thank you, Brian).
The fact that you wanted to bring up buzz words like politicize to distract from a very simple point is wagging the dog itself. So, it is fairly ironic. (yes I did allude to the word as to how Obama successfully thwarted any hope of bringing up this issue in the election run up. Brilliant on his team's part - beat them to the punch.)
I didn't want to bring up buzzwords like politicize. I took that word from your original post. There were two particular points that I felt needed to be addressed, and that was one of them. They didn't distract from a very simple point, they became the point. The very simple point you are trying to make now could have been much better made originally without the politicization and sex-scandal-as-wag-the-dog charges.
I think it is quite clear you and I are not going to agree on this, and that is fine. But reading this last post, had it been your original post, I'm not sure it would have drawn any response from me at all. I certainly would not have come out guns blazing like I did.
Anyway, I think this horse might be dead so we should stop beating it.
As I have said before, a wag-the-dog scenario would draw attention away from Benghazi, not draw attention to it. Forcing the Director of the CIA to resign does that how? This would be the absolute worst wag-the-dog in history.
We were attacked. Shame on you and anyone else who wants to place the blame for that anywhere other than on the radical Islamists who killed our people.
A) They had him resign in a SEX scandal. The biggest distractor known to the US population. I mean, hey!! the Kardashian girls just got the key to a city and it's front page news on msn.com!! Not sure which city, as I didn't click, but I found that funny.
I love the shame on you defense. I'm not BLAMING anyone anymore than Nixon was blamed for Water Gate. He did what he did. It should be feted and appropriately handled. If you want to ignore folks in charge motives and abilities, do it at your own peril. The blame fore the killing lies entirely with the Terrorists (a word we can't use in the US, I guess). But, blame for the lack of support to our citizens that we send abroad to represent and protect us does fall squarely on the Commander in Chief. Sorry. That's the job description. Talk to Ben Franklin and his buddies if you want to change that.
So an ambassadors job is to protect us? Hmm, I suppose in some sort of indirect way thats true. I just wonder how that is really done inside a fortress with private security like blackwater fuckups causing international incidents.
I would tend to believe the career diplomats that understand the dangerous nature of this job. Further , it is an agreed to situation that local governmebts are to provide the majority of security.
What I've heard is a recommendation of security not an actual request for. But even thats hard to say when you have a bucnh of fucking blowhards jumping to conclusions with even the slightest chance of an investigation to uncover pertinant facts that would give a reasonable basis to pass judgement.
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I'll simplify my original post (with annotations):
1) Doesn't it seem like we are in a Wag the Dog scenario (not that Obama caused everything. But, stuff happened similar to the movie - including the war which was/is in the Middle East) that has distracted us from a critical issue
2) Why do we let other issues (no matter how big or small) distract us from an important issue such as wtf happened in Benghazi?
If you think there should be no outrage, or there was no cover up, then so be it. But, I did not mean to say that Obama and his Admnistration orchestrated EVERYTHING - or anything (though I understand that's what happened in the movie). Just that what was happening (including a war) seems to be distracting us from something that at least to me seems very critical to getting to the bottom of so at the very least we don't repeat the errors that led to people's deaths.
And, not to drag him into it, but that meaning of the analogy was not lost on at least 1 person in this community (Thank you, Brian).
The fact that you wanted to bring up buzz words like politicize to distract from a very simple point is wagging the dog itself. So, it is fairly ironic. (yes I did allude to the word as to how Obama successfully thwarted any hope of bringing up this issue in the election run up. Brilliant on his team's part - beat them to the punch.)
To me it doesn't because I haven't noticed a decrease in the coverage of Benghazi. That is a story that isn't going away. Nor should it.
I do think there should be outrage because it does seem like that embassy was not properly protected. Particularly if there were cloak and dagger CIA operations being carried out there. The victims families deserve answers and, as you say, preventing these mistakes from being repeated should be paramount. But I just don't agree there was a coverup.
I didn't want to bring up buzzwords like politicize. I took that word from your original post. There were two particular points that I felt needed to be addressed, and that was one of them. They didn't distract from a very simple point, they became the point. The very simple point you are trying to make now could have been much better made originally without the politicization and sex-scandal-as-wag-the-dog charges.
I think it is quite clear you and I are not going to agree on this, and that is fine. But reading this last post, had it been your original post, I'm not sure it would have drawn any response from me at all. I certainly would not have come out guns blazing like I did.
Anyway, I think this horse might be dead so we should stop beating it.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I would tend to believe the career diplomats that understand the dangerous nature of this job. Further , it is an agreed to situation that local governmebts are to provide the majority of security.
What I've heard is a recommendation of security not an actual request for. But even thats hard to say when you have a bucnh of fucking blowhards jumping to conclusions with even the slightest chance of an investigation to uncover pertinant facts that would give a reasonable basis to pass judgement.
Leave the armchair quaterbacking to sundays.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14