I would have to think you offering Donald Trump 5 million dollars to shove a dildo up his ass may have been slightly more obnoxious, classist, and plutocratic but that's just me I guess.
Yes, it's just you.
the rest of us know what "classist" and "plutocratic" mean.
I know what they mean and flashing around the ability to pay Trump 5 million dollars certainly fits, if in fact you do have 5 million bucks to apparently waste for something so ridiclulous.
Workers are treated fairly and with fair wages. If their current situation doesn't they are free to seek employment elsewhere. They are also free to start their own business using their own capital.
And if YOU don't like how the majority of the American people voted and support the right of busines owners to pay their employees slave wages, treat them unfairly and expect them to work in unsafe conditions, you are free to move to North Korea where I'm sure you'll be much happier.
I like the way American business is going. Every year unions shrink in this country and eventually they will be gone. Finally full accountability in the workplace and all of these union heads will actually have to find real and productive jobs.
I know what they mean and flashing around the ability to pay Trump 5 million dollars certainly fits, if in fact you do have 5 million bucks to apparently waste for something so ridiclulous.
Yes. I was seriously going to offer Donald Trump $5 Million to go fuck himself.
I know what they mean and flashing around the ability to pay Trump 5 million dollars certainly fits, if in fact you do have 5 million bucks to apparently waste for something so ridiclulous.
Yes. I was seriously going to offer Donald Trump $5 Million to go fuck himself.
That was a serious offer.
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Shouldn't have said it then. What if he read it and took you up on your offer?
Finally full accountability in the workplace and all of these union heads will actually have to find real and productive jobs.
Because making cars and construction and teaching aren't "productive" at all?
3 industries in this country with serious serious issues. Couldn't possibly be the unions causing those issues? And when I said productive I was referring to the union heads. You know, the guys who sit behind big oak desks and make their incomes off of the actual workers through union dues.
You know, the guys who sit behind big oak desks and make their incomes off of the actual workers through union dues.
Um... my father was the president of the professors union at the university he taught at and he still taught a full panel of classes, conducted the orchestra and had private students.
What's the "big oak desk" thing you keep going on about?
You know, the guys who sit behind big oak desks and make their incomes off of the actual workers through union dues.
Um... my father was the president of the professors union at the university he taught at and he still taught a full panel of classes, conducted the orchestra and had private students.
What's the "big oak desk" thing you keep going on about?
Imagine how much more productive he would have been if he only had to worry about his job.
Workers are treated fairly and with fair wages. If their current situation doesn't they are free to seek employment elsewhere. They are also free to start their own business using their own capital.
And if YOU don't like how the majority of the American people voted and support the right of busines owners to pay their employees slave wages, treat them unfairly and expect them to work in unsafe conditions, you are free to move to North Korea where I'm sure you'll be much happier.
I like the way American business is going. Every year unions shrink in this country and eventually they will be gone. Finally full accountability in the workplace and all of these union heads will actually have to find real and productive jobs.
With any luck... all worker's wages will get reduced to minimum and then it will be really awesome for business, huh? Because... like... think of how much 'disposable income' those 'just-feel-fortunate-to-have-a-job-now-get-to-work' minimum wage servants will have to go support all those lucky businesses!
Unions have their faults... but they pale in comparison to unabated greed. Get serious. If you think good businesses will pay their employees fair wages without a watchdog looking out for the interests of the worker then Prince's comment towards you is quite reasonable.
If you even start to cite wages paid by non-unionized companies... don't. The only reason those wages might be in place is because their unionized competitors set the bar.
* I'm all for making unions more accountable... but eliminating them would set society back in ways we couldn't even imagine.
I didn't bring up your Dad, you did. I multitask everyday at my job and I certainly know that if I had one less responsibility I would be more productive at my other responsibilities.
With any luck... all worker's wages will get reduced to minimum and then it will be really awesome for business, huh? Because... like... think of how much 'disposable income' those 'just-feel-fortunate-to-have-a-job-now-get-to-work' minimum wage servants will have to go support all those lucky businesses!
Unions have their faults... but they pale in comparison to unabated greed. Get serious. If you think good businesses will pay their employees fair wages without a watchdog looking out for the interests of the worker then Prince's comment towards you is quite reasonable.
If you even start to cite wages paid by non-unionized companies... don't. The only reason those wages might be in place is because their unionized competitors set the bar.
* I'm all for making unions more accountable... but eliminating them would set society back in ways we couldn't even imagine.
...and yet they are still disappearing. Unions are watchdogs? The only thing they are watching is the bottom line to keep the union in business.
With any luck... all worker's wages will get reduced to minimum and then it will be really awesome for business, huh? Because... like... think of how much 'disposable income' those 'just-feel-fortunate-to-have-a-job-now-get-to-work' minimum wage servants will have to go support all those lucky businesses!
Unions have their faults... but they pale in comparison to unabated greed. Get serious. If you think good businesses will pay their employees fair wages without a watchdog looking out for the interests of the worker then Prince's comment towards you is quite reasonable.
If you even start to cite wages paid by non-unionized companies... don't. The only reason those wages might be in place is because their unionized competitors set the bar.
* I'm all for making unions more accountable... but eliminating them would set society back in ways we couldn't even imagine.
...and yet they are still disappearing. Unions are watchdogs? The only thing they are watching is the bottom line to keep the union in business.
And so what is your point? Don't toss a bunch of goofy emoticons in your feeble response and pretend you've actually done something remotely close to intelligent. The only thing you have done with your response is suggest you have a deeply bred negative attitude about worker's unions and cannot see an issue from two sides.
I acknowledged that unions have their faults, but in my opinion... they are the lesser of two evils. Greed unabated (as in the Hostess scenario) is far more reprehensible. Extreme example: Industrial Revolution.
Are you capable of a formulated response that lends weight to your position? Maybe even enlightening me as to why I might consider thinking more along the lines of someone like yourself?
If you are going to take a position on a subject and beak off about it... then at least be prepared to defend it. Don't just listen to a blowhard buddy and try to parrot it without understanding it.
With any luck... all worker's wages will get reduced to minimum and then it will be really awesome for business, huh? Because... like... think of how much 'disposable income' those 'just-feel-fortunate-to-have-a-job-now-get-to-work' minimum wage servants will have to go support all those lucky businesses!
Unions have their faults... but they pale in comparison to unabated greed. Get serious. If you think good businesses will pay their employees fair wages without a watchdog looking out for the interests of the worker then Prince's comment towards you is quite reasonable.
If you even start to cite wages paid by non-unionized companies... don't. The only reason those wages might be in place is because their unionized competitors set the bar.
* I'm all for making unions more accountable... but eliminating them would set society back in ways we couldn't even imagine.
...and yet they are still disappearing. Unions are watchdogs? The only thing they are watching is the bottom line to keep the union in business.
And so what is your point? Don't toss a bunch of goofy emoticons in your feeble response and pretend you've actually done something remotely close to intelligent. The only thing you have done with your response is suggest you have a deeply bred negative attitude about worker's unions and cannot see an issue from two sides.
I acknowledged that unions have their faults, but in my opinion... they are the lesser of two evils. Greed unabated (as in the Hostess scenario) is far more reprehensible. Extreme example: Industrial Revolution.
Are you capable of a formulated response that lends weight to your position? Maybe even enlightening me as to why I might consider thinking more along the lines of someone like yourself?
If you are going to take a position on a subject and beak off about it... then at least be prepared to defend it. Don't just listen to a blowhard buddy and try to parrot it without understanding it.
:? Who is my blowhard buddy? I have my own opinions. Please explain.
:? Who is my blowhard buddy? I have my own opinions. Please explain.
We know you have an opinion. If you actually need an explanation... I guess I was implying you have no substance to your argument or position. It at least appears that you have adopted a stance without really knowing why; therefore, I suggested that because you seem unable and unwilling to qualify your position... you have likely heard a really loud and impressive friend state his and simply adopted their stance. You know... without placing a ton of critical thought on the issue.
:? Who is my blowhard buddy? I have my own opinions. Please explain.
We know you have an opinion. If you actually need an explanation... I guess I was implying you have no substance to your argument or position. It at least appears that you have adopted a stance without really knowing why; therefore, I suggested that because you seem unable and unwilling to qualify your position... you have likely heard a really loud and impressive friend state his and simply adopted their stance. You know... without placing a ton of critical thought on the issue.
Was this clear enough?
Not at all. I form my own opinions in spite of what you assume. And have no substance? Look at the industries with issues in this country. Which ones are they? Union driven industries. Unions are also going down in membership year after year. ANother fact. Should I just post some links to some obscure "non mainstream" media outlets? Does that add credit to this?
:? Who is my blowhard buddy? I have my own opinions. Please explain.
We know you have an opinion. If you actually need an explanation... I guess I was implying you have no substance to your argument or position. It at least appears that you have adopted a stance without really knowing why; therefore, I suggested that because you seem unable and unwilling to qualify your position... you have likely heard a really loud and impressive friend state his and simply adopted their stance. You know... without placing a ton of critical thought on the issue.
Was this clear enough?
Not at all. I form my own opinions in spite of what you assume. And have no substance? Look at the industries with issues in this country. Which ones are they? Union driven industries. Unions are also going down in membership year after year. ANother fact. Should I just post some links to some obscure "non mainstream" media outlets? Does that add credit to this?
No... but post something to support your ill-conceived notion, man. You're just sitting there yapping and there is no substance to what you are saying. You still don't get it. Just as you present a vague example of unions 'taking down industry'... you refuse to acknowledge examples of industry and business with really poor practices that exploit the workers- providing the need for unions. Because this is so... you have not learned the entire scope of the subject, yet you think you're qualified to speak on it.
There is no question, given all the historical evidence to date, that business will readily exploit and abuse the working man to make a dollar. Remember I alluded to the 'extreme' example of the Industrial Revolution to illustrate this? We can look in third world countries to also see this exploitation. Unless I am mistaken, isn't there a large sector of immigrants in your country working their sacks off so you can have cheap burgers and apples? These people aren't consuming and distributing currency... they are existing and no better. The model you propose would have all the cash available from industry and business sit in the bank accounts of a few. Blow up the middle class.
Is a labourer a complete waste of air? Without the worker... no business succeeeds. Not everyone sits at the top of an organizational model, but all members contribute and they should earn accordingly. I'm all for a business owner reaping the benefits of his/her venture... but not at the complete expense of those who provide the labour. Fair wages and reasonable working conditions aren't a by-product of goodwill. They have been achieved through organized labour. As I said before, unions have their faults and many, if not most, definitely need to be reworked... but if you think union busting is wise you are gravely mistaken.
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I know what they mean and flashing around the ability to pay Trump 5 million dollars certainly fits, if in fact you do have 5 million bucks to apparently waste for something so ridiclulous.
I like the way American business is going. Every year unions shrink in this country and eventually they will be gone. Finally full accountability in the workplace and all of these union heads will actually have to find real and productive jobs.
Because making cars and construction and teaching aren't "productive" at all?
Yes. I was seriously going to offer Donald Trump $5 Million to go fuck himself.
That was a serious offer.
:fp:
Shouldn't have said it then. What if he read it and took you up on your offer?
3 industries in this country with serious serious issues. Couldn't possibly be the unions causing those issues? And when I said productive I was referring to the union heads. You know, the guys who sit behind big oak desks and make their incomes off of the actual workers through union dues.
then he would be the second-dumbest person in the Pearl Jam fanclub.
Um... my father was the president of the professors union at the university he taught at and he still taught a full panel of classes, conducted the orchestra and had private students.
What's the "big oak desk" thing you keep going on about?
Imagine how much more productive he would have been if he only had to worry about his job.
So now you're calling me stupid? You certainly can be offensive at times with the pictures you display and the names you throw around.
With any luck... all worker's wages will get reduced to minimum and then it will be really awesome for business, huh? Because... like... think of how much 'disposable income' those 'just-feel-fortunate-to-have-a-job-now-get-to-work' minimum wage servants will have to go support all those lucky businesses!
Unions have their faults... but they pale in comparison to unabated greed. Get serious. If you think good businesses will pay their employees fair wages without a watchdog looking out for the interests of the worker then Prince's comment towards you is quite reasonable.
If you even start to cite wages paid by non-unionized companies... don't. The only reason those wages might be in place is because their unionized competitors set the bar.
* I'm all for making unions more accountable... but eliminating them would set society back in ways we couldn't even imagine.
...and yet they are still disappearing. Unions are watchdogs?
And so what is your point? Don't toss a bunch of goofy emoticons in your feeble response and pretend you've actually done something remotely close to intelligent. The only thing you have done with your response is suggest you have a deeply bred negative attitude about worker's unions and cannot see an issue from two sides.
I acknowledged that unions have their faults, but in my opinion... they are the lesser of two evils. Greed unabated (as in the Hostess scenario) is far more reprehensible. Extreme example: Industrial Revolution.
Are you capable of a formulated response that lends weight to your position? Maybe even enlightening me as to why I might consider thinking more along the lines of someone like yourself?
If you are going to take a position on a subject and beak off about it... then at least be prepared to defend it. Don't just listen to a blowhard buddy and try to parrot it without understanding it.
:? Who is my blowhard buddy? I have my own opinions. Please explain.
We know you have an opinion. If you actually need an explanation... I guess I was implying you have no substance to your argument or position. It at least appears that you have adopted a stance without really knowing why; therefore, I suggested that because you seem unable and unwilling to qualify your position... you have likely heard a really loud and impressive friend state his and simply adopted their stance. You know... without placing a ton of critical thought on the issue.
Was this clear enough?
Not at all. I form my own opinions in spite of what you assume. And have no substance? Look at the industries with issues in this country. Which ones are they? Union driven industries. Unions are also going down in membership year after year. ANother fact. Should I just post some links to some obscure "non mainstream" media outlets? Does that add credit to this?
No... but post something to support your ill-conceived notion, man. You're just sitting there yapping and there is no substance to what you are saying. You still don't get it. Just as you present a vague example of unions 'taking down industry'... you refuse to acknowledge examples of industry and business with really poor practices that exploit the workers- providing the need for unions. Because this is so... you have not learned the entire scope of the subject, yet you think you're qualified to speak on it.
There is no question, given all the historical evidence to date, that business will readily exploit and abuse the working man to make a dollar. Remember I alluded to the 'extreme' example of the Industrial Revolution to illustrate this? We can look in third world countries to also see this exploitation. Unless I am mistaken, isn't there a large sector of immigrants in your country working their sacks off so you can have cheap burgers and apples? These people aren't consuming and distributing currency... they are existing and no better. The model you propose would have all the cash available from industry and business sit in the bank accounts of a few. Blow up the middle class.
Is a labourer a complete waste of air? Without the worker... no business succeeeds. Not everyone sits at the top of an organizational model, but all members contribute and they should earn accordingly. I'm all for a business owner reaping the benefits of his/her venture... but not at the complete expense of those who provide the labour. Fair wages and reasonable working conditions aren't a by-product of goodwill. They have been achieved through organized labour. As I said before, unions have their faults and many, if not most, definitely need to be reworked... but if you think union busting is wise you are gravely mistaken.