Questions about the elections
dimitrispearljam
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2 questions..
1st where i can see the results and the statistics from states etc,link??
2nd..the voting system at the states is a little complicated?..and away different the one we got here..
i see that some states are the key to win,and away more important than others..right?
for exable i had some friends that told me that ill not go to vote cos obama or romnay and their party will win my state so doesnt matter if i vote or not... :?
kinda weird system
1st where i can see the results and the statistics from states etc,link??
2nd..the voting system at the states is a little complicated?..and away different the one we got here..
i see that some states are the key to win,and away more important than others..right?
for exable i had some friends that told me that ill not go to vote cos obama or romnay and their party will win my state so doesnt matter if i vote or not... :?
kinda weird system
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2. yes ... the electoral system is kinda messed up ... in order to be president - you have to collect 270 electoral college votes ... each state is given x number of electoral college votes to allocate to president that is kinda related to the population ... so, the bigger the population in the state - the more electoral college votes they have to offer ... most states just allocate all of them to whoever wins the state ... so, if 50.1% of people vote in california for obama ... all of there electoral college votes go to obama (55 i think) ... there are like 2 or 3 states that allocate a different way but the vast majority allocate all for one ...
in many states - historical voting patterns have shown that they generally always vote red or blue ... the ones that don't are called swing states or battleground states ... they are the ones that determine the election ... so, if you lived in a state that traditionally votes one way ... many people feel like they don't need to vote ...
its a bit confusing Dimitri... sometimes I have to go back and read up to remember how the electoral college works. I could never explain it well.
But here is an good interactive map of election results: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2012/ma ... sults.html
and
the Electoral college: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_ ... ted_States)
If the electoral college doesn't vote for the majority opinion.
It's the voters job to not vote for the electoral college.
just picture a dog that is forever chasing it's own tail. :?
only one more thing..
so..if lets say there are 100 million people voting in the whole country..
and one of the 2 running for president get 65 million votes and the other 35 million...
so..the guy with the 35 million can be the president cos won states that give more electoral votes??
sorry,but this seems wrong and not democratic....
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I don't know if a split that large could actually get the electoral votes or not. But yes, a candidate can win the Presidency and still lose the popular vote. That happened when George W. Bush won his first election, Gore actually had more votes, but you have to carry the right states.
I think the point of the system is to keep all the people in the most populous states from always electing the president, and actually giving more rural states a more active role in the process. I'm not saying I agree with it, it does seem overly complicated, but people always assure me there's a good reason for it.
cos he will the president of all americans and not of most populous states..his desition affect all american no matter if u live at a small state or a big one...
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Then the other states which added up to 268 electoral votes has extremely high turn out all in favor (say 90% to 10% split) of the 49.9% candidate from above ... the loser in the electoral vote could conceivably win the popular vote by quite a lot.
The absolute extreme of this, just to prove the point ... take these states ...
California, Texas, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina, New Jersey and Michigan ... if I've done the math properly ... they add up to 270 electoral votes.
Again, for the EXTREME example ... say a candidate won each state, one vote to zero.
I do believe, that under our current laws, that person would indeed be the president elect with a whopping total of 11 votes ... no matter how many votes came in for the other candidate in the other states. Extreme? absolutely. But it was only to prove the point. It should be noted for the non-Us folks that the political views in these states is vastly different, so, the chance of just concentrating on these states and winning is virtually impossible.
Then there are the times we've had 3rd party candidates as well ...
In 1992, Ross Perot ran as a 3rd party candidate and had 19% of the popular vote, but did not win any individual state ... so, he received no electoral votes. Clinton, the winner, only received 43% of the popular vote.
In 1968 ... the most successful electoral vote total by a 3rd party candidate, George Wallace ... took 46 electoral votes and 14% of the popular vote. (Dude was a racist asshole who believed in segregation, so fuck that guy.)
If you go to the site 270towin.com ... it will show you historical results with the pull down menu and provide some interesting facts on past elections.
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there are states with 200.000 votes and states with 10 million..
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hey ... you said it not me ...
no blue or red??
its your system there for show that you like everybody(dem-rep) for get more tourist than other states??
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But I do believe we ended up blue this time around...surprising a bit. What a weird state. North Florida is a polar opposite from south Florida...it should really be divided, and north florida can join the ranks of Arkansas and Mississippi