My Prediction

FiveB247x

My guess for tomorrow. 323 to 215. Obama wins and it's official by 12-1am (EST). In rebuttal, angry repubs complain about the electoral college vs popular vote and continue to say how the country goes to shit (as if this was something that started in the past 4 yrs instead of decades in the making).... meanwhile in Congress, both parties continue to dismantle our future, polarize the citizens and blame one another while selling their souls for profits on wall street. Idiocy further ensues as citizens continue to tune out while rooting occasionally for their chosen party as if it were a sports team, except these teams have no vision for the nation and merely argue over who's worse than the other. Oh and abortion, guns and gay marriage will continue to be discussed as if they are somehow cornerstones of our well-being or future standing. The environment, foreign policy, economics/the national debt and shrinking of the middle class continue to be the leading problems we face and both major parties have exact if not similar methods of addressing them. Happy Election day America... vote like it matters and then the nation can go back to sleep.

"The problem with winning the rat race is you're still a rat."

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/custom-presidential-election-map#nkaddnjannaajenae

FiveB247x

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/nate-silver-gives-obama-922-percent-chance-winning/58723/

Prince Of Dorkness

I read somewhere (and I would link if it really mattered enough to hunt it down) that many in the Republican Party have started to whisper that "if we can't win this election, the party is done."

Now... Of course they don't mean it like the party will be gone.. But that their strategy of impasses and obstruction and carrying on like spoiled brats has done nothing.

And they need to rethink that.

Because the people aren't going to put up with it.

FiveB247x

I think when people look back at this campaign and Mitt Romney, they'll recognize he was merely a guy put into a no win position. The only reason it may be closer than some may expect is cause of the state of the economy and whatnot which will be a historic first for the nation, high levels of unemployment but re-elected. As for the Repubs, our nation needs to shift it's policies in general and move away from extremists (although I don't agree with this) it is the centrist nature of our population due to keeping the status quo alive and moving forward. So in 4 more yrs, they'll be a swing back to the Right which will be more moderate and separating itself from the religious and warhawk nuts which led the last 2 campaigns vs Obama and his administrations. The political parties in our nation are completely disfunctional and devoid of ideas or real political platforms, they are merely run like sports teams, do anything to win.. no real plan or idea of what to base it on. Political parties are supposed to represent a vision, idea or moral compass to project us into the future..neither have done this and there's little sign they will going forward.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I read somewhere (and I would link if it really mattered enough to hunt it down) that many in the Republican Party have started to whisper that "if we can't win this election, the party is done."

Now... Of course they don't mean it like the party will be gone.. But that their strategy of impasses and obstruction and carrying on like spoiled brats has done nothing.

And they need to rethink that.

Because the people aren't going to put up with it.

brianlux

Further prediction: by Sunday afternoon when the football games are in full swing and the bellies are full of beer the whole thing will already be fading fast from memory. New events will come and go just as quickly. Time will continue to accelerate- if not literally, at least seemingly.

Here's an interesting quiz: During which month in 1932 did FDR begin campaigning for his run for presidency for that year's presidential election in November? Answer bellow:

































September.

Godfather.

FiveB247x wrote:

My guess for tomorrow. 323 to 215. Obama wins and it's official by 12-1am (EST). In rebuttal, angry repubs complain about the electoral college vs popular vote and continue to say how the country goes to shit (as if this was something that started in the past 4 yrs instead of decades in the making).... meanwhile in Congress, both parties continue to dismantle our future, polarize the citizens and blame one another while selling their souls for profits on wall street. Idiocy further ensues as citizens continue to tune out while rooting occasionally for their chosen party as if it were a sports team, except these teams have no vision for the nation and merely argue over who's worse than the other. Oh and abortion, guns and gay marriage will continue to be discussed as if they are somehow cornerstones of our well-being or future standing. The environment, foreign policy, economics/the national debt and shrinking of the middle class continue to be the leading problems we face and both major parties have exact if not similar methods of addressing them. Happy Election day America... vote like it matters and then the nation can go back to sleep.

"The problem with winning the rat race is you're still a rat."

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/custom-presidential-election-map#nkaddnjannaajenae

DANG DUDE !!......I agree with you to a certin extent but for me I'll just hope for the best and for my own reasons will vote for Romney but win or lose I will still hope for the best for our country, this is not a race to make us here the train angry at each other because of our voting choices,we all have our opinions and views but that should not effect how we communicate(angery) with each other here on the train..we all want the same thing in the end and that's just to survive and be happy.

Godfather.

Godfather.

brianlux wrote:

Further prediction: by Sunday afternoon when the football games are in full swing and the bellies are full of beer the whole thing will already be fading fast from memory. New events will come and go just as quickly. Time will continue to accelerate- if not literally, at least seemingly.

Here's an interesting quiz: During which month in 1932 did FDR begin campaigning for his run for presidency for that year's presidential election in November? Answer bellow:

































September.

September....wow !!


I don't know that but diden't FDR get elected 4 times ?

Godfather.

RFTC

win or lose, please limit the # of all cap subject threads and/or 10 exclamation points, lest you do not believe.

also, whomever wins, if we hear that parties senate or house leaders say "were going to make this president fail" bullshit, those persons need to be called out as traitorous criminals. do not reward obstructionists...

go vote, and let's pray for all the votes to count.

pandora

I'd love to see some changes to the Republican party ...
boy would the Democrats have to look out then

I hope not a prediction...
Romney gets in for four with a big needed boost to the economy
and a revamp of Obamacare...

then Hilary gets in for eight ...
she is leaning and leading with the good common sense God gave her
and her husband won't be joining her in the White House

That is twelve years ...
I predict that's about all the time I've got left here in this world,
at least all I'll remember

keeponrockin

@Brian, I think EVERYONE would benefit from a shorter campaign. Here in Canada it's 5 weeks. I'm just sick of the election coverage...

polaris_x

here's an interesting observation of the GOP that essentially reiterates my sentiments on how far this party has transitioned and why ...

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/usele ... c-dead-end



WASHINGTON—It is difficult to imagine stakes bigger than the ones playing out Tuesday, as a bitterly divided America finally makes the call: renewal for the Obama Era, disappointments and all, or a leap into the great unknown under Mitt Romney.

But as the two concussive campaigns come to a merciful end — and with all objective data suggesting President Barack Obama will get just what he needs, barely, to keep his job — something larger, and longer-lasting, is coming into focus.

Though it seems increasingly unlikely, Romney’s Republicans may just squeak by to claim the White House.

Either way, U.S. political analysts who connect the dots between demographics and polling say the GOP, as currently constituted, is at a historic dead end. Even if Romney produces a survey-defying triumph, the underlying theme, they say, is that of a party with nowhere to grow and everything, in the future, to lose.

“The quiet story here is the bigger story — we’ve reached the end of an era in American politics and it spells big trouble for the Republicans,” said Michael Cohen of the Century Foundation, a New York-based think-tank.

Since Richard Nixon’s 1960s, Cohen says, Republicans have pursued what is commonly known as the “Southern Strategy” — a waxing, waning, but always-there courtship of southern whites, cultural evangelicals and rural voters, all under the banner of anti-government populism.

But as America’s rapidly changing demographics demonstrate, the formula is about to stall. An Obama victory Tuesday night, built around a Democratic coalition of a majority of the Hispanic and African-American minorities, and a minority of the white majority, will only drive the moment home.

“Their will be all kinds of excuses if Romney loses. A great deal of rage, a great deal of anger,” Cohen told the Star. “Some will blame the hurricane. Others will blame the candidate, saying he wasn’t a true conservative.

“But a few will try to address the real mistake — that the party has to shift course, that it can no longer win on white voters alone, that the Democrats have been successful in building a broad coalition that the Republicans lost in pursuit of ideological purity.”

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham is a rare exception these days: a centrist Republican willing to confront party purists head-on with that harsh truth, even before the votes are tallied.

“If we lose this election there is only one explanation — demographics,” Graham told Politico on Monday.

“If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough, I’m going to go nuts,” said Graham. “We’re not losing 95 per cent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”

The easy corollary, especially for non-Americans, is to chalk the difference up to racism. An Associated Press study last week attempting to quantify the role of race in this election suggested the numbers put Obama at a 2 per cent disadvantage.

Cohen argues the difference isn’t so much skin colour as world view.

“It’s Republicans viewing Democrats as antithetical to what America should be,” he said. “It’s a GOP that sometimes plays on white anxieties and white resentment, but mostly plays on anti-government rhetoric. And lately, has fallen off the crazy train, with conservatives increasingly in control.”

The demographic reality has been setting in for years. A Romney defeat would mark the fifth time in the past six elections that Republicans have lost the popular vote, the lone exception being George W. Bush’s victory in 2004 over John Kerry.

But losing this time is likely to spark a sustained period of soul-searching for the GOP, one that won’t take hold till the dust, fury and blame die down.

John McCain saw it coming in 2008, committing himself to immigration reform in terms that sat uncomfortably with many Republican conservatives. But the prospect of the party reaching out to broaden its base during a second Obama term seems unlikely, at best.

“The Republican dilemma will be stark: if they do a deal on immigration reform, it will effectively provide Obama with a huge victory that conservatives simply won’t tolerate. But to block reform will make them look even worse to Hispanic voters,” Cohen said.

“And if you’re a newly elected Republican in the next Congress, the last thing you’ll want to do is show any moderation in your politics, because the Tea Party will be waiting for you to make sure you don’t get the nomination next time.”

MayDay10

pandora wrote:

I'd love to see some changes to the Republican party ...
boy would the Democrats have to look out then

well, then the Democrats would be forced to adapt/change.

Maybe we could get a few spinoff parties.

MayDay10

It is going to be a "blowout" either way (electorically)

Either the polls are right and Obama will have around 300-310

or they over-estimated D turnout and under-estimated R turnout and Romney will have around 300-320.




I would like a re-vamp of the electoral college. Candidates campaigning exclusively in like 6 states is bullshit.

Zoso

I would vote for obama (if I was a citizen) but if Romney wins I hope he does a good job and isn't that conservative. Conservatism isn't working and the way of the future as other countries have shown is a more moderate or liberal approach.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

keeponrockin wrote:

@Brian, I think EVERYONE would benefit from a shorter campaign. Here in Canada it's 5 weeks. I'm just sick of the election coverage...

I know. if they spent less time campaigning and actually doing some fucking WORK, the country would be in way better shape.

there's no way I'd even turn on a tv if all I'd see is Harper ads for 3 years.

cincybearcat

“If we lose this election there is only one explanation — demographics,” Graham told Politico on Monday.

“If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough, I’m going to go nuts,” said Graham. “We’re not losing 95 per cent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”

This was a terrific comment.

pandora

MayDay10 wrote:

It is going to be a "blowout" either way (electorically)

Either the polls are right and Obama will have around 300-310

or they over-estimated D turnout and under-estimated R turnout and Romney will have around 300-320.




I would like a re-vamp of the electoral college. Candidates campaigning exclusively in like 6 states is bullshit.

I agree bullshit

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I know. if they spent less time campaigning and actually doing some fucking WORK, the country would be in way better shape.

there's no way I'd even turn on a tv if all I'd see is Harper ads for 3 years.

uhhh ... but that's what we're getting ... while harper is cutting programs in like environmental science - he's increasing his ad spend ... so, he can continue to air propaganda pieces with Canada's new colour (blue) ...

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polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

“If we lose this election there is only one explanation — demographics,” Graham told Politico on Monday.

“If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough, I’m going to go nuts,” said Graham. “We’re not losing 95 per cent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”

This was a terrific comment.

you do understand his context there right?

pandora

Zoso wrote:

I would vote for obama (if I was a citizen) but if Romney wins I hope he does a good job and isn't that conservative. Conservatism isn't working and the way of the future as other countries have shown is a more moderate or liberal approach.

I would like to see it move more towards Libertarian especially pertaining to gay marriage,
we got to get the government our of our lives, it does not belong there.
The government works for us not vice versa.

Speaking of Libertarian ...
for the first time in my life I do not think a third party vote is a wasted vote...
not at all. It's a great big shout out for the real thing.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I know. if they spent less time campaigning and actually doing some fucking WORK, the country would be in way better shape.

there's no way I'd even turn on a tv if all I'd see is Harper ads for 3 years.

uhhh ... but that's what we're getting ... while harper is cutting programs in like environmental science - he's increasing his ad spend ... so, he can continue to air propaganda pieces with Canada's new colour (blue) ...

we're nowhere even close to the amount of ad spending as down south. I rarely see canadian political ads.

Dirtie_Frank

pandora wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

It is going to be a "blowout" either way (electorically)

Either the polls are right and Obama will have around 300-310

or they over-estimated D turnout and under-estimated R turnout and Romney will have around 300-320.




I would like a re-vamp of the electoral college. Candidates campaigning exclusively in like 6 states is bullshit.

I agree bullshit

Instead of a winner take all how about if the electoral college was split by tbe percentage the candidate won in the state. For Example: I believe California has 55 electoral votes if Candidate A won 60% and Candidate B won 40% , A would get 33 vote and b would get 22.

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

we're nowhere even close to the amount of ad spending as down south. I rarely see canadian political ads.

oh for sure ... that's pretty obvious ... i just meant that we are nowhere near an election year and we have a financial problem like everywhere else and harper is putting in measures in social programs and what not but yet he's increased the spending on ads that pump up his gov't ...

i notice them quite a bit ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... udget.html

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

“If we lose this election there is only one explanation — demographics,” Graham told Politico on Monday.

“If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough, I’m going to go nuts,” said Graham. “We’re not losing 95 per cent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”

This was a terrific comment.

you do understand his context there right?

Ummm, not sure what you mean. It seems he is saying that there is something wrong with the republican party and it needs to be more inclusive and move away from it's fanatical religious right...if that is not what he is saying, then I clearly didn't understand the context!!!

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

Ummm, not sure what you mean. It seems he is saying that there is something wrong with the republican party and it needs to be more inclusive and move away from it's fanatical religious right...if that is not what he is saying, then I clearly didn't understand the context!!!

ya ... sort of ... that and that the party made a decision to court white voters a while ago ... when you pull the quote as you did - some may interpret it to mean that those segments are racist ...

pandora

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

pandora wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

It is going to be a "blowout" either way (electorically)

Either the polls are right and Obama will have around 300-310

or they over-estimated D turnout and under-estimated R turnout and Romney will have around 300-320.




I would like a re-vamp of the electoral college. Candidates campaigning exclusively in like 6 states is bullshit.

I agree bullshit

Instead of a winner take all how about if the electoral college was split by tbe percentage the candidate won in the state. For Example: I believe California has 55 electoral votes if Candidate A won 60% and Candidate B won 40% , A would get 33 vote and b would get 22.

That would be way more interesting and fair.

Zoso

do absentee voted count?

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Ummm, not sure what you mean. It seems he is saying that there is something wrong with the republican party and it needs to be more inclusive and move away from it's fanatical religious right...if that is not what he is saying, then I clearly didn't understand the context!!!

ya ... sort of ... that and that the party made a decision to court white voters a while ago ... when you pull the quote as you did - some may interpret it to mean that those segments are racist ...

Huh, didn;t mean it that way and honestly I don;t read it that way.

brianlux

keeponrockin wrote:

@Brian, I think EVERYONE would benefit from a shorter campaign. Here in Canada it's 5 weeks. I'm just sick of the election coverage...

I know I've hit my limit for all the noise. Yesterday I was in the men's room in a coffee shop and some loud mouth on the radio started yet again to rail against their opponent and I just wanted to scream, "WILL YOU SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!" But who needs the indigestion?

Jason P

I predict the 2016 campaign starts today.