the problem i have with Bruce and even Ed for the matter is that given everything i hear in their lyrics/music, i just cannot believe they are voting for O-bomb-us and rather they are voting against rMoney. just listen to Bruce's last album and try to convince me he is voting for O-bomb-us with his heart and mind.
If your anti war then war should be unacceptable under any circumstance.
Anti War and Anti-iraqi mess possibly/certainly be two different things.
Are you saying the USA was at war with Libya?
And Canada
provided military aircraft? correct?
provided naval support? correct?
Im not Ok with the Libya affairs either, but I can see quite a difference between Libya and Iraq.
isnt there an official definition of "at war with"?
And as PoD and many others have said: "it's impossible to 100% support every policy of a politician. You choose who you think best matches your own goals. He has."
the problem i have with Bruce and even Ed for the matter is that given everything i hear in their lyrics/music, i just cannot believe they are voting for O-bomb-us and rather they are voting against rMoney. just listen to Bruce's last album and try to convince me he is voting for O-bomb-us with his heart and mind.
That could be correct...but if your anti war...then no war should be acceptable...and you should not provide support or money to individuals who support any military action of any sorts.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Anti War and Anti-iraqi mess possibly/certainly be two different things.
Are you saying the USA was at war with Libya?
And Canada
provided military aircraft? correct?
provided naval support? correct?
Im not Ok with the Libya affairs either, but I can see quite a difference between Libya and Iraq.
isnt there an official definition of "at war with"?
And as PoD and many others have said: "it's impossible to 100% support every policy of a politician. You choose who you think best matches your own goals. He has."
I don't see the difference war is war. Were they their to protect the oil? Isn't this where Europe get a lot of oil? I don't. It was still likely over oil.
You're right...you can't agree with every policy...but supporting war is a major policy.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I don't see the difference war is war. Were they their to protect the oil? Isn't this where Europe get a lot of oil? I don't. It was still likely over oil.
I see a huge difference...to each their own. USA was conducting operations to assist in Libya for a few weeks/months? USA was wasting BILLIONS of dollars and lives in Iraq...on lies. Starting a fight over lies. Libya was a civil war that was already under way. (im not defending it, just pointing out the large differences.)
I dont know the oil implications...but thanks for that wiki link. There's a lot of stuff there I didnt know about.
btw, I'm not sure we've had ANY president in recent years who hasnt been in charge when a bomb was dropped somewhere. to be completely 100% anti-war as you state it, you just have to be anti government.
I don't see the difference war is war. Were they their to protect the oil? Isn't this where Europe get a lot of oil? I don't. It was still likely over oil.
I see a huge difference...to each their own. USA was conducting operations to assist in Libya for a few weeks/months? USA was wasting BILLIONS of dollars and lives in Iraq...on lies. Starting a fight over lies. Libya was a civil war that was already under way. (im not defending it, just pointing out the large differences.)
I dont know the oil implications...but thanks for that wiki link. There's a lot of stuff there I didnt know about.
btw, I'm not sure we've had ANY president in recent years who hasnt been in charge when a bomb was dropped somewhere. to be completely 100% anti-war as you state it, you just have to be anti government.
when you get right down to it ... musicians are supposed to be different.
And if what your saying is true ... then shouldn't that motivate him to speak out more ... bombs cost money ... money that could be spent solving so many worthwhile causes.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
the problem i have with Bruce and even Ed for the matter is that given everything i hear in their lyrics/music, i just cannot believe they are voting for O-bomb-us and rather they are voting against rMoney. just listen to Bruce's last album and try to convince me he is voting for O-bomb-us with his heart and mind.
I haven't heard the last album, but I have seen him on the campaign trail
Yes... please... keep making up stupid names for the President. I also suggest "Odumma" and "Obummer."
Those really convince the swing voters that you've got the better argument.
Remember to say that he's a socialist who was born in Kenya with anti-colonial points of view.
And that his wife shows too much arm, like all good... um... Muslim women.
:fp: (and they wonder why they're losing)
I don't get into political discussions unless the engager (you) can answer a series of questions to prove your "political awareness"... if you like I will pose them to you?
a friend of mine knows Bruce ....not much nice things to say about him.
Godfather.
Night before last I sat with a friend who knows him as well...and has known him personally for many years. One of the few people to ever get a "gold star" laminate from him (basically all access to every show on the tour...he could have walked out on stage and sang if he wanted ). Had nothing but awesome things to say...and that wasn't just because he was given a gold star. lol
I don't get into political discussions unless the engager (you) can answer a series of questions to prove your "political awareness"... if you like I will pose them to you?
The only pose you can take right now is one I'd get banned for suggesting you take and it's physically impossible anyway.
I don't get into political discussions unless the engager (you) can answer a series of questions to prove your "political awareness"... if you like I will pose them to you?
The only pose you can take right now is one I'd get banned for suggesting you take and it's physically impossible anyway.
Pose was used as a verb not a noun...anyway, at least your reply was funny. I really did laugh.
Feel free to use "rMoney" whenever you like.
Pose was used as a verb not a noun...anyway, at least your reply was funny. I really did laugh.
Feel free to use "rMoney" whenever you like.
heehee.'
Ok so "RMoney" comes from a very unfortunate mistake where the letters got misaligned.
That might be a photoshop... It doesn't really matter.
But "O Bomb Us?" At what point has the president EVER suggested that he would bomb the American people?
I actually never seen that picture...I gave myself credit for coming up with that all by myself. Oh well.
I guess I have a more global view of US, more "mankind" then American.
a friend of mine knows Bruce ....not much nice things to say about him.
Godfather.
and? this is relevant to him supporting obama because?
And why should I listen to what Springsteen has to say?
A man who lives a life the rest of us can only dream of?
A man who is worth gazillions?
A man who charges $200+ dollars for a concert ticket?
THAT GUY is qualified to tell the rest of us working Americans what is best for us?
THAT GUY lives on fantasy Island.
THAT GUY has no problem CASHING IN on the American Dream..right?
THAT GUY is all about MAKING MONEY...
Just like the despised Republicans...Right?
Sounds like Romney. Except for the concert ticket thing.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
I gotta ask... do people really care what Bruce thinks more than any other person?
I don't.
And the name thing is...really stupid - as asinine as repugs, libtards, teabaggers. Even when someone makes a good point but throws that in there, in my mind, they lose some credibility (or at least respect).
But "O Bomb Us?" At what point has the president EVER suggested that he would bomb the American people?
Technically he has already bombed two US citizens.
(I'm Jason P and approve that message)
Wow. A whole two... who were knowlingly in a war zone.
Look... not defending it, just that the name "O Bomb Us" makes it sound like he's being called a war monger and he really isn't one. He's not a pacifist... that's for sure.
and? this is relevant to him supporting obama because?
And why should I listen to what Springsteen has to say?
A man who lives a life the rest of us can only dream of?
A man who is worth gazillions?
A man who charges $200+ dollars for a concert ticket?
THAT GUY is qualified to tell the rest of us working Americans what is best for us?
THAT GUY lives on fantasy Island.
THAT GUY has no problem CASHING IN on the American Dream..right?
THAT GUY is all about MAKING MONEY...
Just like the despised Republicans...Right?
Actually no.
He was born into a working class family and struggled with them financially though most of his youth and into his early adulthood. Yes, he's since become one of the richest men in the world (net worth in the billions), thanks to his hard work ethic, his incredible talent and his own business talents. He's earned it all, unlike the spoiled, rich Mitt Romney who was given it on a silver platter and made the rest of his fortune screwing the working class out of a future.
Bruce has never forgotten where he came from AND he's never forgotten that it was the American system that allowed him to get where he is. He isn't "all about making money" and not only donates (very quietly) massive amounts of money to causes that be believes in, but he has also taken part in countless charity events and campaigns. He was one of the people credited with helping free Nelson Mandella, he had a major part in the "Sun City" campaign to end apartheid, he has toured and performed for free MANY times over the decades he's been famous.
He is NOT "all about making money." (and he himself isn't who charges $200 for concert tickets. That's the promoter and the reason for that is that Bruce Springsteen plays 5 hour shows in huge stadiums and that's not a cheap show to put on. I saw him play a small theater in Toronto back in 1998 and the ticket was the same price you'd pay to see a smaller band in the same venue.
And he's also given his name to many causes that he supports, even if he himself wouldn't personally benefit. He was also one of the first major stars to come out in support of marriage equality.
Of course nobody is saying that because a famous person tells you to vote a certain way that you should.
But if you believe in the things Bruce has CLEARLY supported his whole career and put his money, time and reputation where his mouth is... well, that's at least some food for thought.
Who gives a shit what Bruce or anyone else thinks. If you vote or follow along with others based on their word and not your own decisions, opinions and morals, you probably shouldn't have the right to vote.
In other words, why bother listening to, or reading the words of, anybody at all? Why bother educating yourself and/or paying attention to the opinions of people you respect?
THAT GUY is all about MAKING MONEY...he is all about making money
too say is isn't about making money is pure bullshit.
So what your saying here is that Bruce Springsteen doesn't give a shit about music, or about political and social issues, and is just a money whore who's simply fleecing everybody who buys his records and goes to his shows, because all he cares about is filling his pockets?
Interesting. Is this also how you feel about the members of Pearl Jam? Are they also just a bunch of 'confidence men' out to lighten our wallets, and using music as their ruse?
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Anti War and Anti-iraqi mess possibly/certainly be two different things.
Are you saying the USA was at war with Libya?
And Canada
provided military aircraft? correct?
provided naval support? correct?
2011 military intervention in Libya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_ ... n_in_Libya
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Im not Ok with the Libya affairs either, but I can see quite a difference between Libya and Iraq.
isnt there an official definition of "at war with"?
And as PoD and many others have said: "it's impossible to 100% support every policy of a politician. You choose who you think best matches your own goals. He has."
That could be correct...but if your anti war...then no war should be acceptable...and you should not provide support or money to individuals who support any military action of any sorts.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I don't see the difference war is war. Were they their to protect the oil? Isn't this where Europe get a lot of oil? I don't. It was still likely over oil.
You're right...you can't agree with every policy...but supporting war is a major policy.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I see a huge difference...to each their own. USA was conducting operations to assist in Libya for a few weeks/months? USA was wasting BILLIONS of dollars and lives in Iraq...on lies. Starting a fight over lies. Libya was a civil war that was already under way. (im not defending it, just pointing out the large differences.)
I dont know the oil implications...but thanks for that wiki link. There's a lot of stuff there I didnt know about.
btw, I'm not sure we've had ANY president in recent years who hasnt been in charge when a bomb was dropped somewhere. to be completely 100% anti-war as you state it, you just have to be anti government.
when you get right down to it ... musicians are supposed to be different.
And if what your saying is true ... then shouldn't that motivate him to speak out more ... bombs cost money ... money that could be spent solving so many worthwhile causes.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Yes... please... keep making up stupid names for the President. I also suggest "Odumma" and "Obummer."
Those really convince the swing voters that you've got the better argument.
Remember to say that he's a socialist who was born in Kenya with anti-colonial points of view.
And that his wife shows too much arm, like all good... um... Muslim women.
:fp: (and they wonder why they're losing)
I haven't heard the last album, but I have seen him on the campaign trail
I don't get into political discussions unless the engager (you) can answer a series of questions to prove your "political awareness"... if you like I will pose them to you?
What about rMoney? you don't like that either?
Night before last I sat with a friend who knows him as well...and has known him personally for many years. One of the few people to ever get a "gold star" laminate from him (basically all access to every show on the tour...he could have walked out on stage and sang if he wanted
The only pose you can take right now is one I'd get banned for suggesting you take and it's physically impossible anyway.
You apparently didn;t actually read his whole post, he use a silly name for Romney as well.
Pose was used as a verb not a noun...anyway, at least your reply was funny. I really did laugh.
Feel free to use "rMoney" whenever you like.
heehee.'
Ok so "RMoney" comes from a very unfortunate mistake where the letters got misaligned.
That might be a photoshop... It doesn't really matter.
But "O Bomb Us?" At what point has the president EVER suggested that he would bomb the American people?
(I'm Jason P and approve that message)
it could be O Bomb US (as in USA) ... probably talking drones here ...
I actually never seen that picture...I gave myself credit for coming up with that all by myself. Oh well.
I guess I have a more global view of US, more "mankind" then American.
...Abdulrahman al-Awlaki
Sounds like Romney. Except for the concert ticket thing.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
And the name thing is...really stupid - as asinine as repugs, libtards, teabaggers. Even when someone makes a good point but throws that in there, in my mind, they lose some credibility (or at least respect).
I do.
Here is my list of musicians who influence my vote:
1. Hank Williams Jr.
2. the Dixie Chicks
3. Jay Z
4. Kid Rock
5. Edgar Winter
At the moment?
It Toronto. You know he lives in Canada, right?
Wow. A whole two... who were knowlingly in a war zone.
Look... not defending it, just that the name "O Bomb Us" makes it sound like he's being called a war monger and he really isn't one. He's not a pacifist... that's for sure.
In other words, why bother listening to, or reading the words of, anybody at all? Why bother educating yourself and/or paying attention to the opinions of people you respect?
Weird fucking logic you have there my friend.
So what your saying here is that Bruce Springsteen doesn't give a shit about music, or about political and social issues, and is just a money whore who's simply fleecing everybody who buys his records and goes to his shows, because all he cares about is filling his pockets?
Interesting. Is this also how you feel about the members of Pearl Jam? Are they also just a bunch of 'confidence men' out to lighten our wallets, and using music as their ruse?
You guess that, do you? So then go ahead and enlighten us all to the wars that Springsteen has supported. I'm waiting on the edge of my seat.