Proposition 37

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  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    polaris_x wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    IS there a good source for how much $ this labeling is expected to cost? Not that everything should come down to money, just interested. I used my google machine but so far none of the articles I've read actually list the estimates.

    the only objective costing is related to taxpayers ... there is a study that the No campaign funded that said food costs would skyrocket for consumers ... but it's assumptions were all pretty bad ... such as every producer will then source organics instead of putting it on gmo on their labels ...


    The only source I found said about $400 per year for consumers. I'll see if I can find the source again.

    No to Prop 37 funded a study that said $400 per year rise in costs:

    http://www.noprop37.com/facts/food-costs/

    Yes to Prop 37 funded their own study that said a one time increase of $1.27 for CA households.

    http://www.carighttoknow.org/facts

    Pretty huge discrepancy between the two estimates! As with everything, I am sure it is somewhere in the middle but how close to which end is anybody's guess.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    riotgrl wrote:
    The only source I found said about $400 per year for consumers. I'll see if I can find the source again.

    that's the No funded analysis by Northbridge that I mentioned ... the assumptions on that analysis are absurd ...
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    polaris_x wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    The only source I found said about $400 per year for consumers. I'll see if I can find the source again.

    that's the No funded analysis by Northbridge that I mentioned ... the assumptions on that analysis are absurd ...

    That analysis assumes that people will stop buying GMO foods which I doubt would actually happen for most people as evidenced by some of the comments made on this board. Seems like a scare tactic to me
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    riotgrl wrote:
    That analysis assumes that people will stop buying GMO foods which I doubt would actually happen for most people as evidenced by some of the comments made on this board. Seems like a scare tactic to me

    yeah and that producers would switch to organics instead of putting gmo on the label ... ridiculous ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    DS1119 wrote:

    And you truly believe the local farmer has the money to adhere to these standards? This law gets passed say goodbye to farmer's markets.
    That is an interesting point to consider.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    That analysis assumes that people will stop buying GMO foods which I doubt would actually happen for most people as evidenced by some of the comments made on this board. Seems like a scare tactic to me

    yeah and that producers would switch to organics instead of putting gmo on the label ... ridiculous ...

    that'l never happen, soon the GMO's will found to be "healthy" for us and backed by doctors all over the world
    and the GMO labeling will be no big deal...not to mention cheaper than growing organics.

    Godfather.
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Godfather. wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    That analysis assumes that people will stop buying GMO foods which I doubt would actually happen for most people as evidenced by some of the comments made on this board. Seems like a scare tactic to me

    yeah and that producers would switch to organics instead of putting gmo on the label ... ridiculous ...

    that'l never happen, soon the GMO's will found to be "healthy" for us and backed by doctors all over the world
    and the GMO labeling will be no big deal...not to mention cheaper than growing organics.

    Godfather.

    GMOs are already cheaper than organics. However, we are already starting to see studies that begin to dismantle the notion that our standard American diet are wrong, wrong, wrong. Personally, I do not believe that GMO's will ever be proven to be healthy. As I stated before, a company that poisoned my dad, my brother and myself because of the use of Agent Orange during Vietnam cannot produce "healthy" food IMO.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    I haven't read the whole thread but hey - it's simple. I want to know what's in my food. For example, I never wanted my children to have milk with hormones or other weird crap in it. So I get to look at a label and decide. I'd like that option for everything I eat.

    I'll vote for Prop 37 and I know it's not perfect, but I don't think it will pass because of Monsanto, Dupont, Pepsico, Dow, Bayer, Kraft, Coca-Cola, etc. and all the money they spent in advertising against it. I think Monsanto is one of the creepiest companies that exist.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,862
    they talked about this on the 3rd party debate last night. Both candidates supported this. Even Gary Johnson.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    MayDay10 wrote:
    they talked about this on the 3rd party debate last night. Both candidates supported this. Even Gary Johnson.

    exactly ... should be a no brainer ... but once again - the public will let corporations tell them what to think and they will win again ... because people will believe their lies ...
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    polaris_x wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    they talked about this on the 3rd party debate last night. Both candidates supported this. Even Gary Johnson.

    exactly ... should be a no brainer ... but once again - the public will let corporations tell them what to think and they will win again ... because people will believe their lies ...

    It's easier to believe the lies and have cheap, convenient food than to have to change the entire way you view and purchase food.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    remember how safe the ground zero site was on 9/12/01? remember Giuliani Partners and EPA head Whitman saying that the site was safe?

    http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/09/10 ... s-cancers/
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    riotgrl wrote:
    It's easier to believe the lies and have cheap, convenient food than to have to change the entire way you view and purchase food.

    I keep telling my wife we need to get rid of all the prepackaged bullshit we buy for the kids. fuck the microwave. stop reheating shit in there. do it on the stove. yeah, it takes a bit longer, but the stove doesn't alter the molecular structure of our food!

    it's so gross all the shit we put into our bodies.
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  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    It's easier to believe the lies and have cheap, convenient food than to have to change the entire way you view and purchase food.

    I keep telling my wife we need to get rid of all the prepackaged bullshit we buy for the kids. fuck the microwave. stop reheating shit in there. do it on the stove. yeah, it takes a bit longer, but the stove doesn't alter the molecular structure of our food!

    it's so gross all the shit we put into our bodies.


    It was really hard for my family but we did it. I do spend more time cooking but my husband and i have both lost weight without trying and feel so much better!
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    riotgrl wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    It's easier to believe the lies and have cheap, convenient food than to have to change the entire way you view and purchase food.

    I keep telling my wife we need to get rid of all the prepackaged bullshit we buy for the kids. fuck the microwave. stop reheating shit in there. do it on the stove. yeah, it takes a bit longer, but the stove doesn't alter the molecular structure of our food!

    it's so gross all the shit we put into our bodies.


    It was really hard for my family but we did it. I do spend more time cooking but my husband and i have both lost weight without trying and feel so much better!

    I stopped cooking in a microwave as well. The only thing I use it for is occasionally heating a rice bag to sooth sore muscles once I've iced a few times.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Corporations win!

    Hey, I can't let you hippies feel too good about today ... ;)

    :twisted:
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    Jason P wrote:
    Corporations win!

    Hey, I can't let you hippies feel too good about today ... ;)

    :twisted:
    Oh Yeah? Eat granola, buddy. :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    Corporations win!

    Hey, I can't let you hippies feel too good about today ... ;)

    :twisted:

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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    :D
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    In the spirit of moving forward and reuniting our divided country, I present you with a video poking fun at myself and my fellow hippies :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmwSdIc_Btw&feature=fvwrel
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE

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