Re-Opening WM3 case
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What that story is may never be told.
I feel so awful when I think of the plight of those three boys.
The evil that men do.
These types of cases have me wondering what, exactly, is wrong with the human species? How do members of it act so horribly? As much as we like to look at ourselves as wonderful things... these cases make me hypercritical of the human race and slightly depressed.
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Ellington is unique in that he is one of the few officials in WM who has publicly said he's open and willing to review new evidence and reopen the case if evidence suggested it was prudent. West of Memphis came out last year at Sundance I think, and there was quite a bit of press about it, largely because Jackson said because of the movie, he had given Ellington a large amount of files on the case. As recently as maybe 9 months ago, Ellington said he had reviewed the evidence but was unmoved to reopen the case.
I think the evidence linking Hobbs to the murders is overwhelming. He killed them/hid them in a manhole, possibly accidentally, and had amazing luck in that WM at the time was engulfed in this crazy "satanic panic" fever at the time.
Research online. Check out a poster on the WM board named Paidfur, who came up with the manhole theory, and has been to WM many times actually searching for the real manhole, and found a "volcano" shaped one that matches the scrapes and drag marks which resemble rebar on the bodies. I'd wager this is what happened
Checked it out. Interesting. It's a possibilty, but man... there a some very plausible scenarios with circumstances, testimony and evidence that support each of them. The public's presumption of guilt has shifted so dramatically and has differed so much throughout the years- making this case one of the most unique crimes I can recall.
In all honesty, I have no idea what to think of this case. I'm not sure, without a bonafide confession or the invention of a time machine, if we'll ever know what actually happened. Sad. Really sad.
indeed theres always the possibility we will never know, or that it was the infamous bojangles man. But for me, the fact hobbs and his alibi's hair was found at the scene, and the fact no one else's DNA was at the scene, that for me seals the deal. You cant murder 3 young boys and not have any physical evidence of your own at the scene. Jessie, Damien, and Jason arent tied to the crime scene.
For me, Hobbs is it. Ive watched his 2 hour depositions, both on you tube, and another one on a website, and he goes through his timeline. What he did that day. Its facinating. He actually puts himself at the crime scene. His own alibi contridicts him and puts him for long stretches in the woods where the bodies were found. Hobbs has multiples tried to pinpoint alibis, including a Deputy and other law enforcement, who all deny they were ever with Hobbs. Meaning he was alone in the woods. Three witnesses contradict Hobbs statement he never saw his stepson or the other 2 boys that day. His own alibi contradicts Hobbs and says as Hobbs entered this alibi's house, he saw in the distance the 3 boys biking off. Hobbs has always maintained, he was at work, came home at 2 or 3, and never saw his stepson ever again.
Hobbs is the only person in the case to put himself at the crime scene. He's lied. Has a criminal history. Was violently abusive to his stepson and there were rumors of sexual abuse. And his timeline of that day is an absolute mess and joke. He places himself alone in the woods for long periods of time. His alibi says for a period of time, Hobbs dropped his alibi off, and went out searching alone, again placing himself alone in the woods. Hobbs has said he and his friend searched in that same area the bodies were found, yet never saw the bodies, and turned back "because he got a sick feeling about the area".
Hobbs did it. The Wm3 believe he did it, and most of the Wm3 backers now view him as the main suspect. The evidence against him stacks up. It was Hobbs own words that suggested the manhole theory. He said, they liked the Ninja Turtles and would hide out in the manholes. My own theory is, and its suggested by the fact John Mark Byers beat his stepson that same day and the boys having backpacks, was that they were planning on running away, or Stevie mentioned something to his stepdad like "Im going to tell the police about the abuse", and that this set Hobbs off. Its possible he chased them into the woods, they ran into the manhole, he tried pulling one of the boys out, and the boy fell, and the boy was left severely injured. Fearing what would happen next, he had to kill them all, or at leats injure them. Things worked in his favor, because while he met his wife and picked her up from work, the boys were in the manhole, raccoons and turtles biting them, and its possible the water in the manhole rose and drowned them. He came back during the middle of the night, pulled the boys up from the manhole using the shoelaces they were tied up with (they werent tied up in a tight manner, it was loose), and he set them in the woods. The fact this was done in the dark, without lights would explain why the shoelaces of each boy was mixed up and switched, and that one of the boys jeans were put on inside out. The marks on the boys, the scrapes, were made by him lifting the bodies out of the manhole in the dark, making the rebar like marks on the bodies. Thats my theory and I think its the most likely one. Not premeditated. Spur of the moment thing. Something set him off. And he's gotten away with it for almost 2 decades.
So when I read this OP, and the headline, it made me scratch my head. Its been what nearly 11 months since he revieved the evidence? And he's just NOW supposedly reopening the case? I have my doubts he's reopening it. And the major WM3 message boards all are full of conflicting ideas at the moment, with people not sure whats going on. So I'd love the case to be reopened, but Im not sure thats what has happened.
So until Ellington wakes up, and reopens the case, himself, nothing will be done
thats my whole point, the headline is mistaken i think, and its possible Jackson and the other filmmaker were and are being misled and lead on by Ellington and Hill.
The whole reason why the Wm3 have never been exhonerated is that is obvious they were railroaded and that the state put 3 teens in prison for nearly 20 years with no evidence linking them to the crime. The judges, law enforcement, all were engaged in illegal actions, and thats why Ellington I think has refused to do anything about any of it. It ruffles too many feathers if he was to truly go after Hobbs. And you talk to the original judge and the original prosecutors, even to this day, in 2012, they still maintain that the alford plea was a confession of guilt and that jessie, damien and jason are guilty. Ellington in essence would have to take on the whole state.
indeed theres always the possibility we will never know, or that it was the infamous bojangles man. But for me, the fact hobbs and his alibi's hair was found at the scene, and the fact no one else's DNA was at the scene, that for me seals the deal. You cant murder 3 young boys and not have any physical evidence of your own at the scene. Jessie, Damien, and Jason arent tied to the crime scene.
For me, Hobbs is it. Ive watched his 2 hour depositions, both on you tube, and another one on a website, and he goes through his timeline. What he did that day. Its facinating. He actually puts himself at the crime scene. His own alibi contridicts him and puts him for long stretches in the woods where the bodies were found. Hobbs has multiples tried to pinpoint alibis, including a Deputy and other law enforcement, who all deny they were ever with Hobbs. Meaning he was alone in the woods. Three witnesses contradict Hobbs statement he never saw his stepson or the other 2 boys that day. His own alibi contradicts Hobbs and says as Hobbs entered this alibi's house, he saw in the distance the 3 boys biking off. Hobbs has always maintained, he was at work, came home at 2 or 3, and never saw his stepson ever again.
Hobbs is the only person in the case to put himself at the crime scene. He's lied. Has a criminal history. Was violently abusive to his stepson and there were rumors of sexual abuse. And his timeline of that day is an absolute mess and joke. He places himself alone in the woods for long periods of time. His alibi says for a period of time, Hobbs dropped his alibi off, and went out searching alone, again placing himself alone in the woods. Hobbs has said he and his friend searched in that same area the bodies were found, yet never saw the bodies, and turned back "because he got a sick feeling about the area".
Hobbs did it. The Wm3 believe he did it, and most of the Wm3 backers now view him as the main suspect. The evidence against him stacks up. It was Hobbs own words that suggested the manhole theory. He said, they liked the Ninja Turtles and would hide out in the manholes. My own theory is, and its suggested by the fact John Mark Byers beat his stepson that same day and the boys having backpacks, was that they were planning on running away, or Stevie mentioned something to his stepdad like "Im going to tell the police about the abuse", and that this set Hobbs off. Its possible he chased them into the woods, they ran into the manhole, he tried pulling one of the boys out, and the boy fell, and the boy was left severely injured. Fearing what would happen next, he had to kill them all, or at leats injure them. Things worked in his favor, because while he met his wife and picked her up from work, the boys were in the manhole, raccoons and turtles biting them, and its possible the water in the manhole rose and drowned them. He came back during the middle of the night, pulled the boys up from the manhole using the shoelaces they were tied up with (they werent tied up in a tight manner, it was loose), and he set them in the woods. The fact this was done in the dark, without lights would explain why the shoelaces of each boy was mixed up and switched, and that one of the boys jeans were put on inside out. The marks on the boys, the scrapes, were made by him lifting the bodies out of the manhole in the dark, making the rebar like marks on the bodies. Thats my theory and I think its the most likely one. Not premeditated. Spur of the moment thing. Something set him off. And he's gotten away with it for almost 2 decades.[/quote]
Sounds plausible.
So theres alot of confusion right now, because up to this point Ellington has never publicly admitted he's reopened the case, and as I said earlier, has actually publically said the complete opposite, that the evidence hasnt warranted reopening the case.
and the election hasnt happened yet, so there is speculation he might wait until after the election to do something, which could be a problem if he wins, which would mean another person would be in charge. But if he isnt elected, maybe he will reopen the case and indict Hobbs.
I cant see any other suspect coming to the fore other than hobbs. The evidence just isnt there for anyone else. Again, he's the only person that Im aware of, whose DNA links him to the crime scene